Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[hasn2009]

Shouldn't they have send the ambassador back...looks like Iranis still haven't learned...

I think this is all fake news and i think Iran will still try to keep good relations with India based on Indian investments and oil sales.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

 

[Psyko70]

Japan and Nazi Germany were two twin brothers in war crimes matching in every sense. The Imperial Japanese Army conducted live Chinese human experiments using germs and the like just as the Nazis used gas chambers.

Japanese were even brutal. burning everyone in concentration camps is nothing compared to Japan invasion of china. Japanese literally ate private parts of woman and kids and not just that they also kept them alive while doing this.

 

[Shakehands]

Truckload of embarrassment for p.a.j.e.e.e.t.s. and Afghans in Iran.
What a shame!!!

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poor ***** all they get kick and slaps where ever they go

 

[Davey Crockett]

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[j_hungary]

Your explanation makes sense in technical terms. However, I would caution against assuming Iran is working without contingencies. Based on their nuclear history and how they've adapted under years of sabotage, cyberattacks (e.g., Stuxnet), assassinations, and sanctions, it's reasonable to believe that Iran has implemented strategic redundancies. If anything, the last thing Israel and US would want to, is to underestimate its program.

My logical though is if they have domestic production of their own centrifuges, then they probably have some backup of it for their contingency. So even if its damaged beyond 6 months, as long as they have a supply of replacement stocked up, all they have to do replace it and calibrate it to its needs.

So to say recovery time will take years seems far fetched to me for a country like Iran that had been on this program since the 90s. I would give it a maximum of a year for it to get its house in order. But again, my logical thought it also based on Iran's desperation to get a bomb now, which has probably sky-rocketed after the war due to the threat on the leadership's own existence. The timing does not include covert or straight up military actions on its program in the future.


Also to note, even if we try not speculate, our discussions in the end revolve around speculation and theories because of the lack of information we have on the current status of Iran's nuclear enrichment plans as well as their possible contigencies in case of disruption. (E.g a year to a few years disruption from your POV). Whether we like it or not, we already have an opinion on what we feel the direction of the nuclear program is and not just " I dont know" in the face of lack of information.

Again, I am not going to speculate.

I can just tell you this, as I told the other guy, there was this JAEA site somewhere in Japan (I am not going to guess where it was as I forgot) and it got decommissioned in 1996, and they start transferring the fuel cake to Oak Ridge in the US and down-rich it from weapon grade into fuel grade Uranium (so from ~80% going back to 5%) and the process started from 2003 and only completed last year, it's the same process but reverse, and it's a lot more easier to downrich the Uranium than to continue enrich it.

U.S., Japan near end of HEU-to-LEU transition, plan expanded fusion partnership

www.ans.org

And you are talking about 2 capable nuclear power with high degree of advance technology, doing the same stuff but in the opposite direction, and it take them 21 years, granted it's a intercontinental transfer and they probably do it safe to the max, so it's probably not going to take decade for Iran to do that, but it's not going to be year or years as well, and that is if we can assume Iranian technology is on par with the US or the Japanese.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I think this is all fake news and i think Iran will still try to keep good relations with India based on Indian investments and oil sales.

Espionage of that level is , I am afraid unpardonable in short term
Surprised the Spies were returned to India

 

[SaadH]

My 2 cents:

- Publicly end nuclear program in exchange for end of sanctions. Revive RCD cooperation with Pakistan and Turkey. The stronger the economy, the more difficult it is for traitors to be bribed with passports to developed countries

- End hostile proxy militant programs in neighbouring countries and mend relations with them. Syrians despise Assad, Lebanese are tired of Hezbollah, Pakistan is wary of Zaynaboun. Don't be like India, a friendless obnoxious country hated by its neighbours to the extent it made Bangladesh and Pakistan become friends again. Turkey and Pakistan can use their influence on Azerbaijan to mend relations with Iran and resolve disputes.

- I don't think Iran should sever relations with India or anything like that, but Iranians seriously need to introspect as to why their government sucks up to a country that has shamelessly back-stabbed Iran so many times, especially at the expense of close relations with Pakistan/China.

- Mass production of Fatah-2 (Iranian Hypersonic Missile) and launchers. Disperse across Iran. Jointly produce with some facilities ``in Pakistan so Israel cannot hit production facilities and missiles/launchers can be supplied Ukraine-style in the event of a long war.

- Mass produce MIRV conventional ballistic missiles. Most countries cannot do this due to nuclear implications, but a non-nuclear Iran is in a unique position to leverage unstoppable MIRV BMs for conventional strikes.

- Join PFX (JF-17 upgrade) program with Turkey and Pakistan to mass produce an 'Islamic' 4.5 gen fighter. And join KAAN program to produce an 'Islamic' 5th Gen fighter. China has an exceptional relationship with Pakistan, don't expect it to be extended to the rest of the world. Remember China has its own disagreements with Turkey and Iran (over Uighurs and BLA attacks on CPEC/Gwadar).
- Initiate multiple joint Turk-Iran-Pak programs to develop anti-stealth radars and other military tech.

- Aim for an air force of ~300 PFX/Thunder + ~ 128 KAAN. Get ~24 Chinese/Russian refuellers to sustain prolonged ops across the region

- Aim for ~10 awacs (Chinese, but if they're understandably not willing to sell their best to Iran, in the long run a turk-iran-pak system can be developed and installed on a cargo/business/passenger jet). Pakistani awacs can cover south and west iran.

- Build a large submarine force. Iran cannot conduct sea control ops against USN, but Iran can do sea denial ops like China. Work with Turkey and Pakistan to build a navy and form an allied ELINT network from Kuwait to Kutch.

- Pakistani air/missile/logistic bases in Iran, will not only serve as strategic depth against India, but also as safe heavens for air defence, much like the US is for Israel. Whoops, our HQ-9B/P and EW systems intercepted those Israeli projectiles headed to our base's general direction! Although Pakistan may not be able to sustain a long supply of interceptions, we can blunt a surprise attack like the one Iran faced on day one of this war.

- Deep undeground supply tunnels between Iran and Pakistan to evacuate Iranian VVIPs and high value assets to safety (and vice versa)

- Work towards reducing sectarian politics and ethno nationalism, aiming for a pan-islamic alliance (radical mullahs, kemalists, and far leftist elites will be the most difficult groups to clamp down on)

- Mass cleansing of traitors and corrupt officials

- Joint operations against JuA, Fitna al Hindustan, Taliban, ISIS-K, etc.

below per @OldTwilight

-Buy 100-150 HQ-16 30-50 HQ-22

-rebuild all OTH radar ,

-produce new 3th Khordad and 9th Day systems along with Bavar 373 ,

-buy more S300-PMU2 / S400

-ask for joint production of JF-17

-immediate purchase of 100-150 J10C , should continue purchase of Su-35

Great exercise in khayali pulao, US and Israel will never allow this build up in conventional capability to happen in the first place even after Iran surrenders completely.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Truckload of embarrassment for p.a.j.e.e.e.t.s. and Afghans in Iran.
What a shame!!!

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Looks sneaky like fella who would steal underwear from Public Laundry place

 

[Baadil]

Actually, American Gen Z seems to be turning conservative.

It wasn’t LGBT rights and DEI that brought the Soviet Union down.

You’ve got novel and proactive challenges against the US constitutional fabric. As America shifts away from democracy, the resisting creases in transition period are being flattened with a hammer. There’s going to be a point where “Muzzle Velocity” and “Flooding the zone” are going to output social changes at a completely unsustainable magnitude and rate; the pendulum will swing too fast and fly off.

If there’s going to be an American, Iranian Revolution, then expect untenable social conflict.

 

[hasn2009]

Imagine, 10,000 mossad drones confiscated, and near 1000 people apprehended.

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[ShapurII]

Almost all nuclear-armed countries are reluctant to support the emergence of a new nuclear power. This doesn’t just apply to the five permanent members of the UN Security Council — even Pakistan and other Muslim countries in the Middle East might not welcome it. It could potentially lead to broader nuclear proliferation in the region. Iran needs to seriously assess whether its nuclear program over the years has brought more benefits or more harm.

That said, I don’t think you should interpret China and Russia allowing sanctions against Iran to pass as a failure of Iran’s "Pivoting East" strategy. What Iran needs is to improve its strategic environment, and the most effective way to do that is by tying its national interests to those of other countries.

Pakistan’s leadership understood how vital energy security is to China. Through the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), they’ve built a relationship where both countries are deeply invested in each other’s success. Right now, Iran — aside from its network of regional proxies — hasn’t established that kind of mutual-interest partnership with any major power.

All of these things have been tried, to be honest.

The truth is that all countries in the world prefer to comply with the US secondary sanctions because their reliance on the US economy is too much to ignore and the interests of having good economic ties with the US overshadows their economic ties with us.

A perfect example of this is the Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline that not only would've tied the national interests of the said countries together, but it could've even brought peace to the Pakistan-India relations due to energy ties. It was a major international project. We built our own side of the pipeline before 2015, but Pakistan had to abandon the project due to the US pressure.

China was offered to participate in the development of several multi-billion dollar projects in Iran. China abandoned all those projects. Again, as an example, Phase 11 of the South Pars gas field was offered to the Chinese but they didn't do anything for years and Iran had to eventually kick them out and develop it on our own. Iran needs to invest $200 billion dollars in our oil and gas industries, but the Chinese seem reluctant to participate in any of these projects due to US sanctions.

Yesterday, Trump tweeted that China now can buy oil from Iran. What does that tell you? To me, it says that the Chinese buy Iranian oil with the permission of the US. That's the only reasonable implication of that comment by Trump.

China-Pakistan relations would never work had Pakistan had hostile relations with the US. So, apples and oranges.

 

[Psyko70]

Even after this if Iran still even talks to India, I will believe then that Iran is still compromised.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Lol

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Is this real? on live TV?

 

[ShapurII]

You know what is sad? After all that's been said and done during this conflict, I'm still not 100% sure if the Iranian leadership will acquire nuclear weapons. I don't trust them at all. It feels like they're looking for an excuse to not go all the way. What are they scared of? What is the end goal? What is the strategy here?

If Iran doesn't develop nuclear weapons, it proves only one thing: The regime is compromised. Most likely by the Russians, at the highest level.