Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Psyko70]

perhaps, time will tell.

Pak. will never be your preferred choice and neither will China, I dont think, I need to say more.

Overall middle east has the same thinking. This is what is problem with them.

 

[Yousafzai_M]

Yes, sorry, we don't care. We're not going to corner ourselves for China and Pakistan. China herself is not to be trusted to begin with. There are rumors that they might have sold confidential information about the South Pars project to Qatar. And Pakistan hasn't finished their side of the gas pipeline yet. How can we trust Pakistan if it is not willing to do something that is really good for them, because of foreign pressure? Pakistan could've enjoyed cheap flow of energy from us since 2015 but it hasn't lifted a finger yet.

No country dictates our foreign policies, except for Russia unfortunately. And that's because Khamenei is a Russian agent lol

China has other excuses. It's mostly the US sanctions, and then her ties with Arab sheikhdoms. If China wants Iran to reduce our ties with India, it should first prove that it is willing to reduce her ties with the Arabs that want Iran destroyed. China-Iran partnership just cannot happen in its full capacity. The best that can happen between us is that China doesn't exert pressure on North Korea and North Korea would act like a proxy between us, just like it did during the Iraq-Iran war.

You are not going to corner yourself - break ties with Endiya - for Pakistan and China and in the same breath, you moan about why China and Pakistan are not cornering themselves for Iran by (China) breaking ties with Arab states or (Pakistan) going ahead with the gas pipeline.

Don't get me wrong, I would love that to happen too. Pakistan, China and Iran getting together - ideally at the cost of Endians and Arabs but thats not how it works in real life.

In your post, I sense the usual Iranians arrogance - and thats what worries me. If this episode - of the whole country being bombed all over - does not open your eyes and change the course - then I don't know what will. When I say 'your', I don't mean you personally but Iranian government and public in general. I can only hope you are a minority.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Yeah, I too find it odd that China wouldn't trade much with Iran over China-Arab ties.

Iranians want to blackmail China, they have no commitment towards Chinese initiatives.
IR was always US and European colony. Ruling class (current religious faction) is just one part of their society which neither opposes west nor want to make friends

in other words, hypocrites!

 

[Nuffle]

What is JF-17 gonna do in front of F-15I,F-16I and F-35Is?

On the lower plane, it would hamper the enemies' plans regarding attack against Iran, see that IAF was carrying AIM-9 to attack Iran, which means they did not expect WVR/BVR combat, they used AIM-9 to shoot down Iranian drones.

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[Arash]

Iranians want to blackmail China, they have no commitment towards Chinese initiatives.
IR was always US and European colony. Ruling class (current religious faction) is just one part of their society which neither opposes west nor want to make friends

in other words, hypocrites!

What are you talking about, Iran is now 100% behind China. Keep cool and get a sleep

 

[Ali_Baba]

Now it is up to Iran they must sign strategic agreement with Pakistan with China.
American proxy government in Saudi Arabia they are real trouble

There is no value in any "strategic" agreement between Pakistan and Iran. Pakistan will help with what it has, regardless of an "official" agreement which will do Pakistan more harm than good. Pakistan helped Iran with what it could do with what it had in this round, regardless of "signing" a "treaty" or "strategic agreement."

 

[ety]

Yes, sorry, we don't care. We're not going to corner ourselves for China and Pakistan. China herself is not to be trusted to begin with. There are rumors that they might have sold confidential information about the South Pars project to Qatar. And Pakistan hasn't finished their side of the gas pipeline yet. How can we trust Pakistan if it is not willing to do something that is really good for them, because of foreign pressure? Pakistan could've enjoyed cheap flow of energy from us since 2015 but it hasn't lifted a finger yet.

No country dictates our foreign policies, except for Russia unfortunately. And that's because Khamenei is a Russian agent lol

China has other excuses. It's mostly the US sanctions, and then her ties with Arab sheikhdoms. If China wants Iran to reduce our ties with India, it should first prove that it is willing to reduce her ties with the Arabs that want Iran destroyed. China-Iran partnership just cannot happen in its full capacity. The best that can happen between us is that China doesn't exert pressure on North Korea and North Korea would act like a proxy between us, just like it did during the Iraq-Iran war.

I don't think China will be likely begging for relation from Iran esp strategically in that case.

 

[Ali_Baba]

How long it will take to make 100 JF-17 Thunder block III?
Pakistan can produce 24 / year going full bore and has to supply PAF and Azerbaijan.
These would have to come from China.

It just requires an additional assembly line to be setup, the plan was to have 50/year but that was cut back down to lack of orders, etc. Iran needs to work out what a modern air force looks like before purchasing. Iran is geographically a big country, so a platform like the J10CE may be more useful for them than the JF17C which is more short legged. The J-35AE is also of critical importance for them because with the stealth jets, Iran can roam Iraq and Syria and take out the air to air refuellers themselves directly which means that the IAF cannot operate over Iran at all. Iran will need area defence of high value areas, so there is a role for the JF17C if that is the direction that they want to go.

Su-35 may still have value for Iran due to its long range, but the Su57 would be better. However, I suspect Iran has finally worked out that Russia will not work to give Iran any military advantage over Israel due to "so many Russian speakers in Israel now"..

Interms of politics, and optics, it would be far better for FC1 to come from China, than Pakistan as Pakistan can be pressured to stop supplies. China cant as easily.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

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that how Europeans are!

 

[Farhan23]

Iran has valor and it won in that context proud of them. However, strategically they didnt achieve anything other than that they can only fire missiles which dont guarantee precision strikes on targets.

They didn´t win as they attacked unprovoked is not like they choose the war and accepted a questionable ceasefire

 

[OldTwilight]

What harmed us the most was not having a robust and dedicated anti drone capability specially against short range drone swarm
That must be priority right now

all zu23 should be equipped with optic tracking and guidance system ... although , these should put inside armor shells to be protected FPVs

Zu23 and short range systems are very useful

 

[Farhan23]

Trump reveals what i feared most that the higher ranked positions in iran is infiltered by traitors.. He Said agents went inside Fordow after US strikes and Israel tried to walk that intel leak by trump back by hiding their assets but it didn´t work

 

[Nuffle]

2. Air Defense -> not sure what happened to heavily touted air defense, were they crippled by israhelli attack post TP2 as claimed? or destroyed in the early hours of unprovoked attack?.. equitpmentwise this is the biggest disappointment for me. Looks like AD system only good against drones and complete failure against fighter jets (unless there is some evidence of F35 downing)

In my opinion, the preparatory attacks by infiltrators in Iran with Spike NLOS and drones attacking mobile launchers and SAMs and radars undermined the Iranian response. This was a strategic surprise for Israel. The SEAD/DEAD by IAF fighters was the second wave of attacks against Iranian military capabilities, but those who led and initiated the disruption of the Iranian IADS were the agents and commandos infiltrated inside Iran, attacking via ATGM and drones.

We cannot yet rule out the possibility of a cyber attack that may have paralyzed the C2 of the batteries and general command centers of the Iranian GBAD. I believe that this occurred, but it should not have been the cause for the general disruption and lack of engagement of the Iranian SAM network. I believe that this was due to the prevention of Iranian air defense units from acting in isolation for fear of being attacked by the infiltrated agents and commandos and having the chance of having their SAM systems destroyed. Therefore, Israel acted with wide freedom in the first week.

 

[Arash]

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IRGC missile units stationed in central/eastern missile bases were not expected to be the primary sources of fire against Israel in this conflict

but after the western bases were inoperable they stepped up and launched daily salvos despite lack of air superiority and constant attacks from drones

they will have learned a lot, they should share their learnings with the other missile units

This guy didn't understand shit.
Iran Initiallt fired many missiles, however once the Iron Dome fell their number dropped as Iran focused only on key targets along using both missiles and drones. There was no need for overwhelming missile assaults.

 

[Ali_Baba]

On the lower plane, it would hamper the enemies' plans regarding attack against Iran, see that IAF was carrying AIM-9 to attack Iran, which means they did not expect WVR/BVR combat, they used AIM-9 to shoot down Iranian drones.

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BVR missiles are heavier than AIM-9, so if there is a prospect of a BVR fight, then fewer platforms could operate over Iran, due to the need to provide more refuelling to each plane to get to Iran.

The Achilles heel of IAF operation was its and German/RAF tankers. That is why I think a stealth coupled with a long range AWACS platform will neutralise the IAF entirely if Iran can get a platform.