Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Lulldapull]

Professor J. Mearsheimer explains why Iran needs nukes.

Russia gets attacked daily bhai. What nukes man?

Legacy weapons now no?

 

[Persian Gulf]

Here's a different interpretation:
We know that Iran has launched about 550 missiles. So, if Israel is confessing that 500 missiles reached Israel, 90% of our missiles have reached the territory of Israel, of which only 221 missiles have been intercepted, i.e. 44% interception rate.

44% interception rate includes US SM-3 as well

 

[Ali_Baba]

Azerbaijan is actually developing its air force. Iran should do the same.

If the new of 40 JF17Cs for Azerbaijan is true, it could take on the whole of what remains of the Iranian Airforce given the technological difference there is now. We did see some Tomcats get destroyed on the ground(most likely decommissioned hulks for spares) but no news of other jets being destroyed or shot down. Seems like the Iranian Airforce moved them out into hangers and mountain bases and they did not engage much in the war after the first few days. Not sure what value those jets represent if they were not involved at all, that wont be lost on the air force command as of now. Thankfully the pilots are preserved and can transition to new jets if Iran gets serious about wanting/needing an airforce.

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

44% interception rate includes US SM-3 as well

importantly, 44% rate of penetration is not even linear, when 100 missiles were only fired on the day one!!!!!!

thats far greater than 44%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Persian Gulf]

But to reconstitute the enrichment facilities, Iran will have to find a different location, dig deeper than before

I see you are not familiar with the new sites at Natanz or Qazvin

 

[Meengla]

Vance said something like that many months ago. He has been consistently against a war against Iran. Problem is that in America, a VP generally stands solidly and silently behind their President. But Vance is one VP who is a little more visible and vocal--after a long time we have such VP. I think Humphrey was anti Vietnam War as VP to Johnson and Humphrey was a more vocal VP then those who followed for decades.
A President's personality matters a great deal in America. I can't think of worst Presidents for the Middle East then Biden and Trump.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

 

[Haz]

Vance said something like that many months ago. He has been consistently against a war against Iran. Problem is that in America, a VP generally stands solidly and silently behind their President. But Vance is one VP who is a little more visible and vocal--after a long time we have such VP. I think Humphrey was anti Vietnam War as VP to Johnson and Humphrey was a more vocal VP then those who followed for decades.
A President's personality matters a great deal in America. I can't think of worst Presidents for the Middle East then Biden and Trump.

Yes thats logical, a VP in the US is hand picked by the nominated presidential candidate, he literally is nothing without the president's selection, he owes everything to him and will fall in line. He has no individual powers, except in rare and exceptional situations.

 

[Nuffle]

These SAMs in Israeli cities do not need to be THAAD which are exoatmospheric, not even Arrow 3, only endoatmospheric interceptors need to be close to the place they are designed to defend, so it can be a David's Sling or Arrow 2.

 

[Nuffle]

I can make a summary of this short time war.

Government of reformists in Iran didn't listen to leader's advices and insisted on negotiating with Trump. This caused a false relaxation on Iranian side. It actually softened us to a point that thinking of an attack on the country was impossible. Whatever the negotiation was all about, at least, we learned again that American and Zionist lowlives believe in no honor.

The terrorist cells led by Mossad launched a wide spread attack on Iran's long range locally developed AESA radars and almost made them blind to foreign aerial attacks. Only in Tehran 11,000 small suicide drones along with a few factories that built drones by 3D printers were seized. According to reports, the illegal foreign refugees were mostly hired by Mossad to conduct attacks on Iranian installations. One of them confessed that its 10 years he received trains from Mossad.

After that, Israeli fighter jets and drones flew towards Iran through Jordan-Syria-Iraq and also Azerbaijan Air routes. The drones that entered Tabriz airspace were launched from Azerbaijan.

This partly paralyzed the Iranian response and activated its IADS but I think many underestimate the decapitation of the leadership as also a strong reason for the lack of response from the Iranian IADS.

 

[Nuffle]

The problem with non-Westerners are that you lack the understanding that they will NEVER allow you parity.

China is not only achieving parity but also using asymmetric means of force, which compensates for technological inferiority.

 

[Meengla]

If Khamenei still says no bomb then he is basically a dud, a totally incompetent person to understand the national security and geopolitical scenario and irresponsible TBH. He should be ignored by the hardcore elements of the revolution, sidelined or even replaced with a new leader. No leader is worthy enough to keep at the expense of a nation's sovereignty.

Regardless of the nukes debate, It is just too odd that a nation with many scientists and highly intelligent people have a religious cleric as the Supreme Leader who can veto the most rational, consensus based policies of the govt.
But their country, their system. Just sayin'

 

[Homajon]

If true, this is a very disturbing development.

If that is true:

- Irans underground facilities (nuclear, missile or whatever) are designed to withstand a nuclear-bomb attack, so radiation on a far larger scale was taken into account when they were built.

- If depleted uranium was used on above ground targets, the question is: were they used because the targets could not otherwise be destroyed, or were they used to cause radiation so that it would be difficult for people to go back to these places, even though with the right protective suit it can be done. But can the contaminated devices be used again?

- If depleted uranium was used, how would not just Iran, but also Russia and China react in future? Would this give Russia the legitimation to use depleted uranium in Eastern Europe, and for China to use it in East Asia...

 

[ShapurII]

Regardless of the nukes debate, It is just too odd that a nation with many scientists and highly intelligent people have a religious cleric as the Supreme Leader who can veto the most rational, consensus based policies of the govt.
But their country, their system. Just sayin'

Believe me, it's only because we can't get rid of this stupid, outdated, incompetent system.