Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

Their petrochemical industries are more vulnerable a target, and in range of SRBMs.

It has to have a psychological effect on Iranians.
That's the purpose of "shock and awe", to demoralize your enemy to the point that they start to feel impressed by your power.
That's what they did in the first day of the war in Round 1.

I don't think hitting our petrochemical industries would have such an effect. We definitely anticipate such attacks and they have done it in Round 1 as well.

 

[KingQamaR]

You do have some good points. But unfortunately there are too many defeatists from Iran in this forum. As I said at the very beginning of this war in this forum: I saw no reason that Iran was going to lose this conflict unless the Americans get fully involved in this conflict. But Americans don't want to. Not because of any nicety but because the cost to America too would be huge. Twice under Biden, America arranged a careful dance with Iran to stage tit for tat attacks. Happened again under Trump a few days ago.
Should that not tell you something???

With due respect Meengla , if Iran had carried on bombing then inevitably the US would have become further involved, then what?

 

[BigMela2onin]

It has to have a psychological effect on Iranians.
That's the purpose of "shock and awe", to demoralize your enemy to the point that they start to feel impressed by your power.
That's what they did in the first day of the war in Round 1.

I don't think hitting our petrochemical industries would have such an effect. We definitely anticipate such attacks and they have done it in Round 1 as well.

No I mean if Baku invades, it would be an easier task to wipe out their petrochemical industries than hitting Haifa or Tel Aviv.

 

[ShapurII]

No I mean if Baku invades, it would be an easier task to wipe out their petrochemical industries than hitting Haifa or Tel Aviv.

In that hypothetical scenario, we could destroy Baku for sure, but would it change anything on the ground?
Iran cannot rely on offense only. We need defense too.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

No I mean if Baku invades, it would be an easier task to wipe out their petrochemical industries than hitting Haifa or Tel Aviv.

In short term yes, in longer term it means we have the right to reunify our lost lands.

 

[Liquidator]

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[the saint]

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[Lulldapull]

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This entire thing of trying taking out a country's nuke program is hard no?

However, don't be fooled like the other chumps here.......yeah so what if Iran gets 10 nukes or a hundred like these other two bit itty bittys.......?

They can't really use em anyway no? unless suicide is on the menu no? Just like Israel or fat Kim or India/ Pakistan can't no?

You understand this no?

 

[KingQamaR]

This is only the beginning, Israel WILL expand its genocidal mission, they want the messiah to come but he is not coming, they think Israel is still not powerful enough for him to come, Israel must completely dominate the middleeast, destroy all threats so this means Hizbollah, Houthis and Iran will be targeted again and again until destruction.

Not sure why Iranians are claiming Israel lost due to demanding ceasefire. Israel at the beginning mentioned the operations against Iran will last till 14 days and by 12th they're finished, due to Donald Trump serious demand.

I think Iran did the right thing accepting a so called ceasefire i feel they could have got lot more out of it for Iran before accepting it? Regardless of Tel Aviv ambitious time plan of degrading Irans military base . Tehran didn’t want to rather than risk the Zionists thinking they were in existential danger and start nuking Iran. These Zionists are fkn crazy religious nuts!

 

[Pak-Warrior]

In that hypothetical scenario, we could destroy Baku for sure, but would it change anything on the ground?
Iran cannot rely on offense only. We need defense too.

Iran needs to focus on Israel only.

You can never fight with whole world. Any attack on Azerbaijan means attack on Azerbaijan + NATO Turkey. They are one and same. They both along with many other countries will fight Iran, Israel will also join the party. Even Russia may join against Iran. Pakistan too have deep defense collaborations with both Turkey and Azeris.

See, Iran needs to learn geopolitics and diplomacy. Even if you don't like certain countries or their role, you can NEVER take a drastic step that will join whole of the region practically against you with full force. We in Pakistan knows that Russia and Israel both give weapons to india and same weapons are eventually used by India against us. But we don't start a war with everyone or even see them as enemies. If we start seeing every country as enemy who supported india and start acting against them then we will become alone and isolated.

As far as Israeli plane using Azerbaijan airspace is concerned. You have to ask youself, that there are so many countries whose airspace was used, not just Baku. That does not make all of those as your enemy. You cannot fight all of them. Secondly, Azeris do not have kind of advance aircrafts to intercept Israeli jets at the moment. Sometimes it can happen that few aircrafts buzz through your airspace uninvited and you just can't do anything about it.

This is what Israel is looking for. That Iran starts fighting with other countries of the region. You have to go against the real enemy, the real culprit. Not the ones who's airspace may or may not be violated and for which they literally cannot do anything about. They cannot have kind of air forces or air alert levels to shoot israeli airforce. Even if they had modern fighters right now, nobody would want to shoot israeli fighters and face their wrath. Every country looks for its own citizens safety and their own national interests.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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[StrategicBear]

Iran needs to focus on Israel only.

You can never fight with whole world. Any attack on Azerbaijan means attack on Azerbaijan + NATO Turkey. They are one and same. They both along with many other countries will fight Iran, Israel will also join the party. Even Russia may join against Iran. Pakistan too have deep defense collaborations with both Turkey and Azeris.

See, Iran needs to learn geopolitics and diplomacy. Even if you don't like certain countries or their role, you can NEVER take a drastic step that will join whole of the region practically against you with full force. We in Pakistan knows that Russia and Israel both give weapons to india and same weapons are eventually used by India against us. But we don't start a war with everyone or even see them as enemies. If we start seeing every country as enemy who supported india and start acting against them then we will become alone and isolated.

As far as Israeli plane using Azerbaijan airspace is concerned. You have to ask youself, that there are so many countries whose airspace was used, not just Baku. That does not make all of those as your enemy. You cannot fight all of them. Secondly, Azeris do not have kind of advance aircrafts to intercept Israeli jets at the moment. Sometimes it can happen that few aircrafts buzz through your airspace uninvited and you just can't do anything about it.

This is what Israel is looking for. That Iran starts fighting with other countries of the region. You have to go against the real enemy, the real culprit. Not the ones who's airspace may or may not be violated and for which they literally cannot do anything about. They cannot have kind of air forces or air alert levels to shoot israeli airforce. Even if they had modern fighters right now, nobody would want to shoot israeli fighters and face their wrath. Every country looks for its own citizens safety and their own national interests.

But there is International Law where countries can't just allow enemy Air Forces to pass through or else they'll be a participant of the war and can expect attacks on their territories unless they forbid their airspace to be used, at least by declaring it publicly(even though they can't actually stop it)... Azerbaijan has not done that yet.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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Iran should hopefully go into war production mode and produce those unstoppable hypersonic missiles in big numbers.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

But there is International Law where countries can't just allow enemy Air Forces to pass through or else they'll be a participant of the war and can expect attacks on their territories unless they forbid their airspace to be used, at least by declaring it publicly(even though they can't actually stop it)... Azerbaijan has not done that yet.

Bro, in this world nobody follows intl law. The law do not simply apply against powerful. Otherwise, whole attack was purely unjust. In ideal world, there should have been heavy sanctions against israel.

I really believe Israelis pass through many countries airspace just because they can. Because their technology is far superior. Other countries like Syria, Iraq or maybe even Azeris can't do anything about it. If Azerbiajan publicly declare that their airspace was violated then it gives seriously negative impression to their own population. People ask questions that why their govt in unable to protect their airspace. Lastly, I think Azerbaijan would never wanted to participate in this war against Iran. It's simply wasn't its war and it do not want to start a war with Iran. Iranians should only focus their energies to their main existential enemy, the Israel.