Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[shapurzolaktaf]

The Pahlavis were surely a foreign-established regime, but at least they got the cultural-societal aspect of internal politics right.

Now we are dancing to Putin's balalaika. I don't see how that's independence.

At least, the US provided us with 80 F-14s. F-14 was the F-22 of its time. Would Russia sell us Su-75 now?
We still have the problem of nepotism. Look at the Larijanis. The Rafsanjani familiy used to rule over Iran's economy. Look at the Shamkhani and his son. I don't have a problem with any of this if it's just limited to economy, but some families like the Larijanis have tremendous influence over our political affairs, not just the economy.

It was slavery, then we receive fighter jets. We're not slaves of declining west, so we've to find other solutions because 2 things are a fact:
- We will never be slaves of west.
- West is declining.

These facts will form a base for future solutions, whatever it may be.

 

[ShapurII]

It was slavery, then we receive fighter jets. We're not slaves of declining west, so we've to find other solutions because 2 things are a fact:
- We will never be slaves of west.
- West is declining.

These facts will form a base for future solutions, whatever it may be.

But the slaves of the East are usually paid nothing. Look at North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, Belarus, etc.

Do you think it's just coincidence that after Trump and Putin talk about Iran, we hear about the next round of negotiations between Witkoff and Araghchi?

 

[Qaraca]

Iran displays Orbiter-4 drone forced to land by electronic warfare

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The distance from Azerbaijan border to Zanjan is 100 km? Lmfao.

What a shameless troll.

 

[tsunset]

The distance from Azerbaijan border to Zanjan is 100 km? Lmfao.

What a shameless troll.

So tell us how a drone with 150km claimed range made it to Iran from Israel

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

But the slaves of the East are usually paid nothing. Look at North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, Belarus, etc.

Do you think it's just coincidence that after Trump and Putin talk about Iran, we hear about the next round of negotiations between Witkoff and Araghchi?

We're not slave of Russia, else we would recognize their 4 break-away states:
1. Abkhazia
2. South Ossetia
3. Donetsk
4. Luhansk

We can always negotiate, that's a parallel proces which does not have to prevent increasing our leverage/defence in other areas. We can enrich to 90% withing NPT, while being open to negotiations.

I don't understand why some users think negotiation or diplomacy means abandoning military field. Everyone knows in wars, both diplomacy and military are intertwined.

 

[Qaraca]

So tell us how a drone with 150km claimed range made it to Iran

Is the distance from Azerbaijan to Zanjan less than 150 km?

Also, that drone is not Orbiter 4 but an unknown model, and was found even in Kashan, which is located 700-800 km from Azerbaijan.

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[Immortals]

detailed thread showing extensive damage to 20+ missile bases and other sites

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So we are supposed to believe all this was done by Drone strikes, Spike ATGM, sabatouers, and BMs? And that no Israeli Jets entered Iranian airspace? Righhhhhht

 

[Farhan23]

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Don´t get fool by this..

Half of Israel´s current population are either Moroccan and Algerian jews originally from Spain Al-Andalus but fled south with the Muslims during the re-conquista.

Hence we even had Moroccan jews and Algerian jews posting on the old Defense forum during the 2021 Hamas-Israel conflict etc etc.

Some of these hold double citizenship Moroccan and Israeli or Algerian and Israeli etc etc.

Majority of these dying in the army are Either Moroccan or Algerian jews.

These are two Moroccan jews brought back for burial

 

[ShapurII]

We're not slave of Russia, else we would recognize their 4 break-away states:
1. Abkhazia
2. South Ossetia
3. Donetsk
4. Luhansk

We can always negotiate, that's a parallel proces which does not have to prevent increasing our leverage/defence in other areas. We can enrich to 90% withing NPT, while being open to negotiations.

I don't understand why some users think negotiation or diplomacy means abandoning military field. Everyone knows in wars, both diplomacy and military are intertwined.

There are too many reasons to prove otherwise.

Have you read what the EU and the US want to negotiate over?

 

[Immortals]

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[shapurzolaktaf]

There are too many reasons to prove otherwise.

Have you read what the EU and the US want to negotiate over?

They can say whatever they want, wish or dream, we have our own priorities:
1. No attacks anymore during negotiations.

 

[ShapurII]

They can say whatever they want, wish or dream, we have our own priorities:
1. No attacks anymore during negotiations.

So, you're OK with handing over our enriched uranium, accepting zero enrichment, and reducing our ballistic missile range if there will be no more attacks during negotiations? lol

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

So, you're OK with handing over our enriched uranium, accepting zero enrichment, and reducing our ballistic missile range if there will be no more attacks during negotiations? lol

NO, we have our interests. We can talk, doesnt mean that we will accept everything!

 

[ShapurII]

NO, we have our interests. We can talk, doesnt mean that we will accept everything!

Sure, we can talk, but there is no guarantee that it won't be another deception operation.

 

[vmro]

Only fierce Iranian nationalism, backed by a merit-based system, can fix this problem.

Iranian nationalism is only is only segment of entire Axis confederation (excluding Houthis) that stay fierce and unimpressed for idf/mossad terror and mind games.... When Trump asked for immediate surrender, it was not even clear to Iranians did he is serious about it...

My point is as simple as complex in the same time...

Hezbollah is negotiating partial disarmament, Assad is Moscow, Hamas are ...easy transferable in eventual peace signing...

Indirectly mossad was full with indirect opportunities to penetrate their own personnel...

And if Axis is gone, strategic edge, pinnacle of IR national doctrine unfortunately is eliminated...

for me always, also here in posts, strategy of IR was wise and despite being criticized for being non Iranian, i am not agreeing with that, still...

But regardless of being in my opinion wise, is probably finished....

Iran needs serious national geopolitical debate, inside Iran, with various centers of power in Iranian society, and maybe redefined national doctrine...

Iran should reconsider fundamentals of modern Iran, as Shia powerhouse, maybe this new time has no more same religious influence in other Shia communities...

I am not sure if this is true, but I am commenting from to say, academically perspective, not religious and I don't want to be understood as anti-Shia Islam provocateur...