Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Vkdindian1]

So has India accepted faults while celebrating success? The Hindu newspaper was branded a traitor after identifying losses of Indian aircraft.
was a flop show

Ask those who didn’t accept it. I am answerable for my actions not for whole India.
I accept that IAF messed up on day one.

By your logic, you not accepting your failure is linked to other persons not accepting their failure or fault? Other person can also give the same logic. Ever heard of 360 deg grid lock?

My comment of people just celebrating without any inward look to accept faults is for many forum members. For these fanboys the action starts and ends on the day one.

I say again. PAF action to down IAF fighters was masterclass but a flop show thereafter.
If the edge gained was so much on 7th May then it wasn’t capitalised at all. Nothing to show apart from tall claims of bases wiped out and S400 decimated.

 

[Vkdindian1]

India was given a chance to come back and save face because of diplomatic pressure

There can’t be a better example than this for showing what coping up means?
You allow other side to bomb your bases and kill your personnel under diplomatic pressure?
You are still not ready to accept that your forces messed up after day one.
Please learn to give credit where due. Indian forces did well to deliver what they did on 10th after the losses on 7th. The turn around was nothing less than spectacular.
After 7th your side made multiple mistakes.
They chose wrong weapons and also failed to asses that Fatah I and CM400 did not achieve the desired impact. There should have been a quick change of plan and weapons to get the results.

 

[I*R*A]

You are still not ready to accept that your forces messed up after day one.

Messed up. Hmm. That is a very strong word. Messed up. Messed up how? Nope do not say Pakistan lost half of its fighter fleet or that very long range kill of AWACs.

By the way you do not have to write lengthy paragraphs, what you are actually trying to say is Pakistanis = Liars. Say it plain simple.

The turn around was nothing less than spectacular.
After 7th your side made multiple mistakes.

Spectacular for indian side after losing all types of fighter jets on day one and Messed up for Pakistan.

This type of coping was adopted by likes of you after your CDS came on and said what was lost and how much was lost doesn't matter but we changed our tactics is what matters. You had to change your tactics there is nothing spectacular about it, this only means your first choice best considered war plan failed and failed spectacularly.

Abay salo kala choran kha kay aisi aisi chortay ho kay doosray ka dimagh mauf ho jata hy.

They chose wrong weapons and also failed to asses that Fatah I and CM400 did not achieve the desired impact.

Again seriously. 7 planes downed in one single night is more than enough of desired results.
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Pakistan needs to work on prolonged war planning, training and means. How to sustain and how to quickly get the desired results to demotivate a very huge stinking enemy within first few days of the conflict.

 

[Vkdindian1]

Messed up. Hmm. That is a very strong word. Messed up. Messed up how? Nope do not say Pakistan lost half of its fighter fleet or that very long range kill of AWACs.

By the way you do not have to write lengthy paragraphs, what you are actually trying to say is Pakistanis = Liars. Say it plain simple.



Spectacular for indian side after losing all types of fighter jets on day one and Messed up for Pakistan.

This type of coping was adopted by likes of you after your CDS came on and said what was lost and how much was lost doesn't matter but we changed our tactics is what matters. You had to change your tactics there is nothing spectacular about it, this only means your first choice best considered war plan failed and failed spectacularly.

Abay salo kala choran kha kay aisi aisi chortay ho kay doosray ka dimagh mauf ho jata hy.



Again seriously. 7 planes downed in one single night is more than enough of desired results.
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Pakistan needs to work on prolonged war planning, training and means. How to sustain and how to quickly get the desired results to demotivate a very huge stinking enemy within first few days of the conflict.

You see, your entire argument starts and ends on day one, as I had said in my post about fanboys. The likes of you can’t see anything other than what a fanboy would do.

In spite of me accepting day one performance of PAF, you have claimed again and again, that, I haven’t accepted that. Shows blinkers on you. Type and say things by rote.
Take a step back and use your brain please.

Your logic depends on words like stink and Choran.
That’s what comes out when you have no logic but only such words to make big claims.

It is right that Indian strategy for day one was found wanting. They accepted it, changed it and did well. The CDS has said exactly that on camera.
But bhakts/fanboys have no ears and eyes. They see what they want to. Just like you.

 

[Vkdindian1]

I agree — Pakistan could have leveled everything.

Why didn’t they do it? Have you ever thought of that?
You mean to say that the same PAF, that outmanoeuvred IAF on day one by excellent planning and training, didn’t know this simple fact, while forum experts have all this know how and knowledge?

PAF didn’t do it because there were constraints on them and they knew exactly what could go wrong of they tried to do what you are claiming here.
Give some credit to PAF for deciding against trying to bomb Indian assets, because there was a threat to them.

Unlike keyboard warriors who would have bombed India into oblivion, the experts were not daydreaming but taking informed decisions.

 

[Olympus81]

The PAF effectively had air superiority inside Western parts of India post 7-May. The next day when there was a brief mum, the Indians kept sending drones inside Pakistan trying to gather intel and overwhelm Pakistan’s defenses.

I believe the Indians thought this will be the end of it when Pakistanis were being pressured to deescalate. 10-May, is when Bunyan un Marsoos was initiated with strikes on multiple locations inside India and Indians firing missiles on Pakistan’s AFB.

Going back, post Balakot, the PAF knew the importance of having live satellite feeds. Thats how they were able to scramble jets pre 7-May and blinded the 4 Rafales and the 70 odd IAF package on 7-May.

Taking the above into consideration, there certainly are areas of improvement for the Pakistani side.

Shift from a defensive posture to a more offensive one. What does the PAF and PA do when air superiority is achieved? Clean up Indian ADs through DEAD operations. Strike at Indian assets along the LoC. Strikes on Pathankot pressuring Indian logistics north into IoK. I’d invite members here to be constructive and give alternatives on what can Pakistani forced do when opportunities like these are gifted.

Going forward, I see this as a mindset problem. Pakistan probably did not think in its strategic calculation, that it can achieve air superiority and eventually up the ante and the ability to gain an upper hand in negotiating terms diplomatically.

Some may see this as an opportunity lost, but as they say, no battle plan survives the first enemy fire.

 

[I*R*A]

That’s what comes out when you have no logic but only such words to make big claims.

I did not make a single big claim. You are frustrated, I would be too after tirelessly trying to defend an indefensible position for so long and trying to cope at the same time. Hard, you should get a medal of sorts ... but then again every indian would deserve such medal.

But bhakts/fanboys have no ears and eyes. They see what they want to. Just like you.

What I saw is ... a desperate indian pm, a confused indian foreign affairs minister and now an ever deluded doval. All desperate. Liars, charlatans, deceivers and fanatics.

Pakistan downed your fighter jets, Pakistan fired missiles at indian military installations, Pakistanis drones violated your airspace (does not matter to me how many and what was the extent of damage) and brought you to a ceasefire, this alone is sufficient to put india in its place and show the neighborhood that these stinky extremist intolerant bakhts are big on talk only.

You trying to attack a nuclear state and trying to violate its sovereignty is what is messed up, all your stupid fanatic hindutva generals should be hanged for this treason. But then again a stinky place of one billion plus bakhtoraz won't understand the consequences. You are still high on hubris.

 

[Vkdindian1]

Shift from a defensive posture to a more offensive one. What does the PAF and PA do when air superiority is achieved? Clean up Indian ADs through DEAD operations. Strike at Indian assets along the LoC.

All these were attempted this time too. Pakistan tried to neutralise Indian AD though drone warfare from 08-09th May. Both these nights, the skies over Indian borders were lit with interceptions taking place all over. Didn’t seem to work as envisaged.

Pak artillery was also in full action along the borders. There has been a claim that Pak fired more ammunition over these three days than that over entire 1965 war. Must have caused some damage and posts along the borders. Was it decisive? Doesn’t appear so.

The options of using kinetic action has no limits. All the elements of defence forces can be put into full action to get a result. Army, Navy and all the elements of AF can go full bore.
But is that feasible in a limited conflict? It wasn’t feasible in this one.
That’s why both sides made use of limited weapons and force. Attempt being to show that we aren’t scared of you, but, ensuring that things don’t escalate into a full war.
The thought process of many members that IAF loosing few aircraft would put them on back foot doesn’t seem to be correct. It was proven wrong within a couple of days on the 10th May.

 

[Yasser76]

I did not make a single big claim. You are frustrated, I would be too after tirelessly trying to defend an indefensible position for so long and trying to cope at the same time. Hard, you should get a medal of sorts ... but then again every indian would deserve such medal.



What I saw is ... a desperate indian pm, a confused indian foreign affairs minister and now an ever deluded doval. All desperate. Liars, charlatans, deceivers and fanatics.

Pakistan downed your fighter jets, Pakistan fired missiles at indian military installations, Pakistanis drones violated your airspace (does not matter to me how many and what was the extent of damage) and brought you to a ceasefire, this alone is sufficient to put india in its place and show the neighborhood that these stinky extremist intolerant bakhts are big on talk only.

You trying to attack a nuclear state and trying to violate its sovereignty is what is messed up, all your stupid fanatic hindutva generals should be hanged for this treason. But then again a stinky place of one billion plus bakhtoraz won't understand the consequences. You are still high on hubris.

Yup, Pro Indian western media was praising the IAF just before 7th May, actualky warning Pakistan could be hurt. After we Pimp slapped them, Doval claiming "Foreign media bias"

Essentially admitting the lost the narrative. Naturally now we are seeing mass levels of copium on the forum

 

[Vkdindian1]

You trying to attack a nuclear state and trying to violate its sovereignty is what is messed up, all your stupid fanatic hindutva generals should be hanged for this treason. But then again a stinky place of one billion plus bakhtoraz won't understand the consequences. You are still high on hubris.

You see the number of superlatives used in just one para?
Why can’t a nuclear state be attacked?
Why can’t sovereignty of a state be challenged? What are wars fought for?

Generals should be hanged for treason? Knock knock knock. You know the meaning of treason? Please go ahead and do it.
There is not even a hint of hubris in any of my posts. I state facts. Accept fault and praise the opponent if so.

 

[I*R*A]

Yup, Pro Indian western media was praising the IAF just before 7th May, actualky warning Pakistan could be hurt. After we Pimp slapped them, Doval claiming "Foreign media bias"

Essentially admitting the lost the narrative. Naturally now we are seeing mass levels of copium on the forum

Pakistan did the right thing to celebrate and move on. There is no need now to prove anything, the need is to focus and prepare.

One of the areas we need to improve is how to prevent maximum damage to our installations / assets, how to quickly inflict as much damage as possible on this stinky stupid state and how to sustain a prolonged war and and break the will of these intolerant chaddiz to start stupid wars.

indians are clowns, 99% of them. They just come up with bollywood type of ideas, the kind we used to read in Imran series. They listen to that gobar, gobarwami and even doval (this idiot also has some very stupid ideas).

 

[I*R*A]

Why can’t a nuclear state be attacked?
Why can’t sovereignty of a state be challenged? What are wars fought for?

Oh God. I rest my case, thank you for proving me right.

 

[Baibers_1260]

If the edge gained was so much on 7th May then it wasn’t capitalised at all. Nothing to show apart from tall claims of bases wiped out and S400 decimated.

There is no "edge" to be gained in a 100 hour air strike and missile exchange unless our military inferiority was at a level the enemy could successfully exploit to achieve its geo-strategic objectives.

Our objectives:

• Resisting aggression and imposing costs on an aggressor
• Preventing loss of territory or any alteration to our positions on the Line of Control.
• Preventing a blockade of our commercial sea routes and the port of Karachi
• Controlling our air space with Air Denial and blocking enemy military and commercial aircraft from operating in our airspace
• Limiting and absorbing the damage by the enemy to our military and civilian infrastructure, without escalation to the point of invoking the nuclear doctrine.
• Prevent the aggressor's conventional military superiority and advantage from forcing us into an existential struggle and resorting to unconventional weapons use.
• Involving a third party to force a negotiated unconditional ceasefire on the aggressor, who would otherwise use the conventional imbalance to escalate the war to the use of nuclear weapons.
• Post ceasefire: Enhance the exchange of information and assess weapons performance with our strategic partners and rectify shortcomings. Deepen the alliance and military cooperation with allies in the region ( China, Bangladesh, Turkey)
• Post-ceasefire: Diplomatically re-hyphenate our position in the geo-strategic context and internationalize the "root cause of the conflict" which is the dispute over Kashmir.
• Post ceasefire: Deter the enemy from repeating the act of aggression under the pretext of the "new normal "

CONCLUSION:

1. Our actions were defensive and successful despite the enemy's military superiority.
2. Our planned objectives (as above) anticipated for exactly such a conflict in were ALL achieved.

Now for the "new normal " next round.

 

[Olympus81]

The Indians will keep up the psyops war and they will create doubt in the minds of Pakistanis.

Tell me, if the tables were turned, the Indians will be going bezerk taking down PAF jets.

The Indian folks know deep down the destruction caused by Brahmos ecliped 4-6 IAF jets down multifold. They also know their installations were hit.

Some of the Pakistani members, sorry to say are meek. Be confident in yourself and your armed forces. The fact that we gave them a bloody nose and their leadership resorting to clownish theatrics clearly points out to how much we’ve hurt them.

Now onwards to learning from certain gaps and closing them in the next battle.

 

[Master Chief]

So you're basically saying we should handover our air space to the enemy to roam freely? So they don't even need to use expensive stand off munitions. Just come over and carpet bomb the cities with low cost general purpose bombs. While i throw so called high speed and highly accurate missiles costing millions of USD per piece? Nice idea Sir.

Btw, do you really believe Iran was able to cause a proportionate damage to Israel? Like really?

But there is a middle ground that should be explored - pilotless drones as replacements for parts of a piloted air force.

This would be cheaper and more lethal than a traditional manned air force.

I believe that we should invest full tilt into this pathway. Disclaimer: I'm not an expert so feel free to correct me.