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[Hack-Hook]

That is the very definition of MAD.

to me it was the definition of mad not MAD
even the container ship had 100 missile it was nothing a small city like Dezful received 180+ missile and nothing happened , but the response would be devastating .
and funny it come from a person living in France nor Iran

 

[tsunset]

Well if they even got close enough to launch a dozen or couple hundred missiles like you said it would be near suicidal for iran as a whole………..also I live in Fort Lauderdale neighboring Miami so please not there @tsunset.It’s fanboy fiction let’s be honest if and I mean if iran was thinking of using those modified cargo ships to attack anyone or anything it would be Israel or American assets in their own playground an attack on Americas playground would require thousands of these missiles to hit targets spread out all over America.

Everything that has been achieved in the past decades were all described as "fanboy fiction" before anything happened

Hitting US mainland is not a fanboy fiction but a must for any country wishing to damage the US and not its worldwide automated puppets

 

[tsunset]

to me it was the definition of mad not MAD
even the container ship had 100 missile it was nothing a small city like Dezful received 180+ missile and nothing happened , but the response would be devastating .
and funny it come from a person living in France nor Iran

US attacking Iran then Iran retaliating by attacking Miami/whatever is a mad move?

Any US big city should be put into rubble if they do it first on any city in Iran, isn't it simple to know? This has nothing to do with living in France or Iran, it is the simple definition of proportional retaliation

 

[Hack-Hook]

US attacking Iran then Iran retaliating by attacking Miami/whatever is a mad move?

Any US big city should be put into rubble if they do it first on any city in Iran, isn't it simple to know? This has nothing to do with living in France or Iran, it is the simple definition of proportional retaliation

no value there , attack must be against something of value , it must disrupt their ability in the war
and 100 ballistic missile won't turn a city into rubble

 

[Shadihassan28]

Everything that has been achieved in the past decades were all described as "fanboy fiction" before anything happened

Hitting US mainland is not a fanboy fiction but a must for any country wishing to damage the US and not its worldwide automated puppets

Not saying it couldn’t happen saying it would be the end of iran iran calculates how far they can go, I’m for iran getting a nuclear deterrent as well but if they ever achieve would I want them to use it on America or Israel no for the hypothetical few that would strike those countries would wipe iran off the map with their known and unknown arsenals. Yeah I definitely believe iran would use those modified cargo ships to attack Israel and American assets in their backyard but to hit America no sorry that’s like from a bad James Bond film

 

[Tehrani021]

bringing the missiles there is not problem , you hit Miami , good then what? whats the next step, and guess what USA answer would be.
and honestly you could not find a target more strategically unimportant than Miami

Im confused, one minute you say Iran should have nukes and fight nuclear powers like Israel. But now you're saying it's mad to have MAD. How can you flip flop like that just to keep an argument going? Just hold a position and defend it.

 

[Tehrani021]

Not saying it couldn’t happen saying it would be the end of iran iran calculates how far they can go, I’m for iran getting a nuclear deterrent as well but if they ever achieve would I want them to use it on America or Israel no for the hypothetical few that would strike those countries would wipe iran off the map with their known and unknown arsenals. Yeah I definitely believe iran would use those modified cargo ships to attack Israel and American assets in their backyard but to hit America no sorry that’s like from a bad James Bond film

Nuclear detterance in a NFU (not first use) policy levies a dear cost to any nuclear power attacking another nuclear power. This is what Iran's doctrine should be, and you'll find it is the same doctrine of Russia and China. No point in having nukes if you don't intend to use them in any situation.

 

[tsunset]

Not saying it couldn’t happen saying it would be the end of iran iran calculates how far they can go, I’m for iran getting a nuclear deterrent as well but if they ever achieve would I want them to use it on America or Israel no for the hypothetical few that would strike those countries would wipe iran off the map with their known and unknown arsenals. Yeah I definitely believe iran would use those modified cargo ships to attack Israel and American assets in their backyard but to hit America no sorry that’s like from a bad James Bond film

US attacking homeland Iran, killing civilians and soldiers using conventional method, and Iran retaliating using conventional method inside US homeland is going far for Iran?

This oozes the cliché of the US that cannot and will never get retaliated inside their home simply because they "are the bests in the world and no one can touch them"

US is going to wipe Iran off the map because conventional BM strikes on its soil in response to massacre/strikes inside Iran? The first thing they would do is nuclear blackmailing, anyone thinking they would nuke Iran lives in another world

 

[Flames In The Desert]

Firing of cruise missiles from moving launchers and images of the moment of firing and hitting the target of Qadir 200 short-range missile from IRGC Navy speedboats.+ Use of Bawar bombs by IRGC ground forces to defend the coast

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[Hack-Hook]

Im confused, one minute you say Iran should have nukes and fight nuclear powers like Israel. But now you're saying it's mad to have MAD. How can you flip flop like that just to keep an argument going? Just hold a position and defend it.

yes we must have , the problem is we don't have it so..
about attacking USA , again what next after firing those missiles at a place like Miami ?
what strategic value Miami will have in fight between Iran and USA?
are we supposed to attack USA randomly? if so can you explain the difference between us and Israel ?

 

[jauk]

no value there , attack must be against something of value , it must disrupt their ability in the war
and 100 ballistic missile won't turn a city into rubble

Yes. No.

 

[Flotilla]

Firing of cruise missiles from moving launchers and images of the moment of firing and hitting the target of Qadir 200 short-range missile from IRGC Navy speedboats.+ Use of Bawar bombs by IRGC ground forces to defend the coast

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Very interesting.

Please note that small missile of that FAC seems to be not anti air, seems to be a short range surface to surface missile. Moreover, that FAC doesn´t have air search radar.

On the other hand it is interesting to see how that Ghadir SSM can fire in moving condition and with NO radar (some other vehicle may search and block the target), it is so important because ESM systems aboard USS DDG ships can track, analyze and destroy easily those radars (they usually do with Houthis missiles) so it is easy to answer back with Tomahawk missiles or MH60R armed with Hellfire/Penguin missiles or even F15/16 stationed on neighboring countries. Separating search radar and launcher vehicles gives much more resilience.

 

[Flotilla]

That was my point. If the ballistic missile was fired from Soleimani class, that means that 6 x VLS would be only for ballistic missile, leaving Navab as only aerial defense layer with the AHEAD automatic gun acting as a CIWS.

I was completely wrong. Anyway the utility of using a container ship sized mother ship and launching ballistic missiles are limited utility in a modern war scenary. Those ships can be easily tracked and are slow for being targeted. Modern FAC like Solemaini can do it much better.

The real utility of those should be distributing those containers in diverse civilian ships making them undetectable and susceptible of being used like germany´s auxiliary cruisers. But using Shahid Mahdavi or Roudaki it is not a real option against US or RN, because those vessels for sure have been included their SSN libraries and they can track even the noise from hundreds of miles away.

Distributing these containers in civilians ships can be very very disturbing and persuasive... Like Russian Bastion-P system.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Yes. No.

yes yes
city of Dezful received around 170 missile and 850 bomb in the war and each year it bombed by 2500 cannon shell , half of that was enough to flatten the city , the flow of life in the city never stopped during the wall and even Friday praying never stopped for one week.

firing missile randomly at Miami only result in erection of such statue there

by the way Miami is 4 time more populous as dezful at the time

 

[tsunset]

yes yes
city of Dezful received around 170 missile and 850 bomb in the war and each year it bombed by 2500 cannon shell , half of that was enough to flatten the city , the flow of life in the city never stopped during the wall and even Friday praying never stopped for one week.

firing missile randomly at Miami only result in erection of such statue there
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by the way Miami is 4 time more populous as dezful at the time

You still don't understand no one cares if the city is flattened out or not

The city image will be ruined and the psychological impact would be devastating as they always thought they live in an eternal protected land that would never suffer of what they did to others