From Absolutely Not to America Please?

PTI was removed constitutionally , whatever the backdoor deals , and refused to accept that constitutional move .... Imran khan called the army chief mir jafar /mir Sadiq , attacked military installations and other ones .....PTI lost her constitutional rights by these acts ......state is still soft on PTI , it should have wiped out PTIs DNA .....Imran khan is a yahudi agent , a traitor.
It was not, and anyone who keeps repeating this bullshit hasn't actually read the constitution, and laws of Pakistan.

This bullshit about IK being a traitor, and PTI attacking military installations is nothing more than propaganda.

The TRUTH is that Pakistan needs to be purged of the morons that think corruption is okay. It needs to start executing people who brought about the current corrupt government in power.

PPP and PMLN, and their supporters in the military need to be completely purge.

They are the real traitors.
 
PPP and PMLN, and their supporters in the military need to be completely purge.

For this they need to learn from the brave Turks who done it in 24 hours, the Soldiers from within took out the traitors.

Even the Bolivians arrested their Army Chief for trying to do a military coup.
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I have lost count how many times I have criticized the revenge politics and political punishments of individuals and parties. I was supporter / voter of PTI when it came to power, sadly it did exactly what it blamed other parties. despite that, I believe that Imran Khan's incarceration is a political vendetta and even if the charges were valid, he has served his time. but then again he is in the game of thrones and in this game there is no runner up. Had he and his choice of General(s) Faiz etc. succeeded then this forum might have been spammed by PTI praise for the Pakistan army.

the point I highlighted is a tough one and cant be ignored because PTI has sold itself as the only majority political party that has more followers online and on the roads compared to other regional and national parties. YET, its social media activities and its lobbying in the west specially in America goes completely against the letter and spirit on what it stands for.

We are not slaves and ABSOLUTELY NOT- was its rallying cry and the catch phrase, but its actions in the country and abroad have not always been inline with whatever it sold to PTI zealots.

these are uncomfortable truths and facts and cant be dispelled by whataboutism on other political parties. and cursing the military leadership.

I wont press on it and will leave it just there.
With respect, this is more your own feelings than reality.

People forget what the context for "absolutely not" was for, and now those that oppose PTI are spreading misinformation about it.

It was not a rallying cry, it was a declaration that Pakistan would remain neutral and not interfere in foreign wars. IK was removed, and we instantly saw Pakistan start donating weapons to Ukraine and chose a side in a conflict that had nothing to do with Pakistan, and inexchange Pakistan got nothing.

Military leaders that removed IK from power were telling Washington that they don't even like the Chinese, only to be ignored and forced to go back to China, proving IK's point right.

And now you have incompetents in charge of a nation of over 200 million, throwing out false data, where investors and companies are running from, where revenue is shrinking and not growing, where it's artificially increasing its forex.

As for revenge politics? PTI didn't start it, and the cases against PMLN and PPP were started long before PTI came to power.

Again, with respect, what you've done is revise history to suit your views.
 
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Imran Khan is a lion who will never bow down the GHQ jackals, he will only lose if he surrenders, and we all know which side has more experience in surrendering. Many posters on this forum are hypocrites who write long, emotional posts about humans rights especially women's rights but when it comes to PTI supporters ,they shamelessly glorify and support the violators of those very rights.
 
It was not, and anyone who keeps repeating this bullshit hasn't actually read the constitution, and laws of Pakistan.

This bullshit about IK being a traitor, and PTI attacking military installations is nothing more than propaganda.

The TRUTH is that Pakistan needs to be purged of the morons that think corruption is okay. It needs to start executing people who brought about the current corrupt government in power.

PPP and PMLN, and their supporters in the military need to be completely purge.

They are the real traitors.
brother its not about corruption, its a game of thrones, the amount of nepotism, bullying and corruption done during PTI government in Centre and KP is no different to other governments. problem is that the general(s) supported by PTI failed in their bid.

the attacks on military installations, desecration of monuments and attack on Corps commander house did happen its no propaganda, the PTI verified accounts on social media not only posted it but celebrated and justified it.
when it suited PTI. took proud ownership and when it saw a backlash it made a "U turn" (a charge used on Imran Khan on regular bases by its political opponents).

that all said, Imran Khan has done his time whether or not the charges had any merit, he must be released. he has a mandate and there is a hype (valid and invalid) behind it.
but he and his party is no saint, there is no moral high ground when one thinks of that Rahim Shah who used to enter PM office by recording herself kicking the PM office, Farah Gogi as a front woman, Malik Riaz (and his unexplained philanthropy for PTI at the expense of Bahria town customers) or the ex-husband of Bushra Bibi who harassed the Punjab administration and KP? lets not even go there.

so, sadly its a zero sum game, his release and assent to power means that heads will have to roll that are currently wilding power implied or explicit power, and given Imran's track record he is one stubborn son of a gun and wont even talk to his peers in rival political parties which pretty much leaves a Turkish or GCC model where he is lord emperor.
 
I no longer support IK. the only reason why so many people loved or still love IK is only because of corrupt PMLN AND PPP. Other then that he is just emotional leader who has zero strategic intelligence.
 
brother its not about corruption, its a game of thrones, the amount of nepotism, bullying and corruption done during PTI government in Centre and KP is no different to other governments. problem is that the general(s) supported by PTI failed in their bid.
Nepotism, and this political game is a part of corruption.

And no, when corruption accusations occurred, PTI workers were the first to bring up those issues.

Nor was it used.

The generals have never supported PTI, this is a myth that PMLN and PPP pushed after PTI won the elections. It's BS propaganda.

PPP and PMLN have never won without thr support of the military, so they cannot ever imagine a party would be popular enough to win without the support of GHQ.

That's why they spread this bullshit.

the attacks on military installations, desecration of monuments and attack on Corps commander house did happen its no propaganda, the PTI verified accounts on social media not only posted it but celebrated and justified it.
It IS propaganda, and I have proof.

My family has PTI workers who were targeted by the police two days before the so called riots. They had to go into hiding. This gives me enough evidence that this entire thing was orchestrated by the generals.

There's also the issue of these installations being completely abandoned by military personnel when these so called mobs appeared, with some locations where there is video proof of soldiers opening gates for the so called mobs.

PTI verified accounts did not push anything, nor did they celebrate it. They were actively calling for calm.

when it suited PTI. took proud ownership and when it saw a backlash it made a "U turn" (a charge used on Imran Khan on regular bases by its political opponents).
This is not true.
that all said, Imran Khan has done his time whether or not the charges had any merit, he must be released. he has a mandate and there is a hype (valid and invalid) behind it.
but he and his party is no saint, there is no moral high ground when one thinks of that Rahim Shah who used to enter PM office by recording herself kicking the PM office, Farah Gogi as a front woman, Malik Riaz (and his unexplained philanthropy for PTI at the expense of Bahria town customers) or the ex-husband of Bushra Bibi who harassed the Punjab administration and KP? lets not even go there.
He should have never been taken in the first place.

It was and is a witch trial.
so, sadly its a zero sum game, his release and assent to power means that heads will have to roll that are currently wilding power implied or explicit power, and given Imran's track record he is one stubborn son of a gun and wont even talk to his peers in rival political parties which pretty much leaves a Turkish or GCC model where he is lord emperor.
This is a false choice. We do not need to live in an omelasian utopia where one person takes the burden of the sins of the community, so that everyone else can live in peace. All we need is a proper nation where rule of law is respected by all, including the elites and the establishment.

We don't need to follow anyone else's models.

All that needs to happen is to get rid of the old guard through any means, and have proper democracy in place.
 
It was not, and anyone who keeps repeating this bullshit hasn't actually read the constitution, and laws of Pakistan.

This bullshit about IK being a traitor, and PTI attacking military installations is nothing more than propaganda.

The TRUTH is that Pakistan needs to be purged of the morons that think corruption is okay. It needs to start executing people who brought about the current corrupt government in power.

PPP and PMLN, and their supporters in the military need to be completely purge.

They are the real traitors.
There are two guys here , a bit confusing for me ....if you are that accountant guy , I will say keep on crying , this setup is going to stay for at least 10 years .
 
IK vowed absolutely not to American bases inside Pakistan not anything
else that comes into your head.
Yeah..., but then he (IK) decided to make a deal with The Devil pt. 2 (TTP) & look how well that turnedout for the Pakistan public.

Great. The Americans used hi-tech Drones to bomb us.

TTP & all the other dirtbags bombing us the low-tech way.

The narrative here is, "You screw Thursday. You screw me Friday. Its the same f#*kin' thing".

...& if Imran Khan gets out & comes into power..., he's gonna make the same f#*k ups - just like Usman 'The Man' Buzdar.
 

PTI’s Zulfi Bukhari to testify before US Congress body on ‘political repression’ in Pakistan

Did no one tell Zulfi that Imran had vowed absolutely NOT to Americans? why begging to their congressmen for the plight of PTI?
why waste time in front of those who give full support to Israel to commit genocide of Palestinians. will these same American politicians care how democracy suitable to PTI is being mistreated in Pakistan?

why Zulfi is going to Americans? seems like he didn't get Imran's memo that we are not slaves.
oh wait, was it just a political slogan for domestic consumption of PTI followers?

There is no hypocrisy.

If you want someone to do something, you go to their bossman.

In order to get Pak generals to behave, we can ask US or Saudi. There is no point going to China, Russia, or anyone else. The Pakistani people are powerless.
 
There is no hypocrisy.

If you want someone to do something, you go to their bossman.

In order to get Pak generals to behave, we can ask US or Saudi. There is no point going to China, Russia, or anyone else. The Pakistani people are powerless.
these shameless bootlickers fail to understand that Generals treat Pakistani elected leaders like traitors , yet they fall in line the moment junior officials from USA/Saudia call them... so who are the real traitors then? politicians who rise to power through public support or the foreign agents sitting in GHQ?
 
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brother its not about corruption, its a game of thrones, the amount of nepotism, bullying and corruption done during PTI government in Centre and KP is no different to other governments. problem is that the general(s) supported by PTI failed in their bid.

the attacks on military installations, desecration of monuments and attack on Corps commander house did happen its no propaganda, the PTI verified accounts on social media not only posted it but celebrated and justified it.
when it suited PTI. took proud ownership and when it saw a backlash it made a "U turn" (a charge used on Imran Khan on regular bases by its political opponents).

that all said, Imran Khan has done his time whether or not the charges had any merit, he must be released. he has a mandate and there is a hype (valid and invalid) behind it.
but he and his party is no saint, there is no moral high ground when one thinks of that Rahim Shah who used to enter PM office by recording herself kicking the PM office, Farah Gogi as a front woman, Malik Riaz (and his unexplained philanthropy for PTI at the expense of Bahria town customers) or the ex-husband of Bushra Bibi who harassed the Punjab administration and KP? lets not even go there.

so, sadly its a zero sum game, his release and assent to power means that heads will have to roll that are currently wilding power implied or explicit power, and given Imran's track record he is one stubborn son of a gun and wont even talk to his peers in rival political parties which pretty much leaves a Turkish or GCC model where he is lord emperor.

No doubt PTI made up alot of lies against the army, they used planned propaganda in order to defame the army and generals. PTI is not just Imran Khan but all the 150 MNAs MPAs who left PTI, they gave wrong advice to IK, made big blunders. Even on PDF people were claiming army chain of command is collapsing, same with twitter youtube Facebook etc. Whoever promoted this must admit it all backfired. Even now PTI is not playing good politics, they need to disengage and bring IK out from jail, what benefit is it to Pakistan and its people that IK is in jail?

Regarding army and agencies, they also made big blunders, we are lucky our army is strong otherwise this is exactly what happened in 1971, when mandate was stolen and it lead to rebellion, this is not a joke. I am talking about the elections where pti won not removals of PTI from power. Also breaking constitution etc, this is treason. In my opinion it is a big failure that the situation reached this alarming level.
 
There are two guys here , a bit confusing for me ....if you are that accountant guy , I will say keep on crying , this setup is going to stay for at least 10 years .
People like you are the problem with Pakistan.

You don't even realize that Pakistan is sinking further and further with the current setup, and are happily marching along.
 

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