Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Jango007]

Very detailed and informative …. Didn’t know Iran also tried to develop BVRAAM ….

BVRAAMs: Closing the horizon - European Security & Defence

Recent Indo-Pakistani air battles showcase the lethal evolution of beyond visual range air-to-air missiles (BVRAAMs). As more countries field BVRAAMs capable of increasingly long-range engagements, traditional air combat doctrine faces an immense challenge.

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[NA71]

video still there ....click on the link...The most sane Indian Gen talking about Indo-Pak relation

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[Maarkhoor]

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[BonPlan]

Read the title of the thread and then respond to my original question again.

Impossible.
Not a single one on this forum know the real truth.
Here it is Pak propaganda,
On defenceforumbharat it is India propaganda.
So wait and see. We will have details in months or years.

 

[Yasser76]

Impossible.
Not a single one on this forum know the real truth.
Here it is Pak propaganda,
On defenceforumbharat it is India propaganda.
So wait and see. We will have details in months or years.

But you seem to be the only one whop knows the truth Rakesh?

How is the Cope? Only 2 days to go till August AFM issue is in the shops outling 4 Rafale losses. Suggest you take a quick holiday to Mumbai beach, oh sorry, "Cannes" to cope...

 

[TopGun786]

Impossible.
Not a single one on this forum know the real truth.
Here it is Pak propaganda,
On defenceforumbharat it is India propaganda.
So wait and see. We will have details in months or years.

Leave it Rakesh. Not your field.
Btw how's the job (pizza delivery)?
I hope study visa is still valid.

 

[NA71]

Leave it Rakesh. Not your field.
Btw how's the job (pizza delivery)?
I hope study visa is still valid.

He mentioned he is 59 yrs old ....isn't he?

 

[Yasser76]

He mentioned he is 59 yrs old ....isn't he?

So Pizza outlet manager instead of driver?

 

[White Privilege]

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Both Russia and Israel are more focused on winning their wars in the real world than in Bollywood or on WhatsApp. The Indian mindset is different. 90% of the "war" is fought for world attention.
.........

exactly that, we needed to obliterate the enemy and win the war, but we let the enemy go on 7th

 

[Corax]

Rules of engagement for the PAF on the 7th were to destroy as many high value targets as possible, without losing any of our own aircraft. It would have been possible to shoot down more, but maybe at the cost of losing some of our own aircraft and pilots. It's all about risk management.

 

[Falcon26]

Totally enjoyed reading this article

Rafale failed in Sindoor! Rethink this French option for MFA

[A grounded Tejas vs a flying Rafale!] The usual, unsatisfactory, inconclusive end to Sindoor. And that too inside of three days of start of military operations! What is equally surprising is how q…

bharatkarnad.com

“The Rafale didn’t even know it was targeted until the missile was 50 km away. At that speed, the Indian pilot had 9 seconds. Not enough to react. Not enough to survive.”

The IAF presence over J&K was sparse in 2 of the 3 days. Why?

“Because every time a fighter lifts off, Pakistani radars pick it up.
Because the Erieye sees what Indian radars can’t.
Because the PL-15 launches from outside Rafale’s threat envelope.
Because the Rafale, once India’s silver bullet, has been turned into a $250 million sitting duck.The IAF now flies 300 km behind its own borders.”

The Indians are now coming slowly to reality. Bharat Karnad is one of their foremost national security experts and someone who has been high on the “India is superpower sir” koolaid. But even he’s now disillusioned about the IAF.

In later parts of his article, he says the “The fleet of 36 is now depleted”

But the golden piece is tugged nicely here:

“More will be be revealed about the Rafale in the Sindoor ops in the days to come. Time for the IAF, for its own good, to begin distancing itself from this aircraft.”

Indians know their military and government lied to desperately hide the trashing their Air Force received and despite their best efforts, the truth can’t be obscured.

PAF has said from day one that even on the last day, when IAF finally took off, they were flying 100s of kms away from the border to save themselves. Even their top military chief admitted that but the Hindu nationalists were grasping at straws to contradict. Now their top national security officials is plainly saying the same

“The IAF now flies 300 km behind its own borders.”

PAF has enforced unquestionable air dominance over Indian airspace and rendered the IAF irrelevant.

Historic stuff!

@Waz

 

[lightning f57]

Are you idiots to think smoke, fire bellowing out of Pathankot, Udhampur, Adampur, Beas were a case of a pressure cooker blast?

This is a very good point. Let's assume Pak hit no Indian airbases, then what were those videos of Indians posting strikes by Pak which created large bellows of smoke, they surely hit something to cause such smoke. If they hit a house there would be PR from Indian media to show Pak "aggression". A missile landing in an open field wont cause a mushroom plume of smoke.

Also logically speaking what is easier to hit, a country like India which is massive and has no way the AD that Israel has or a small country like Israel with the worlds best AD protecting it.

So either Pak military used fireworks which were so bad they blew up before arriving to their target or there was some damage which has not been disclosed. Satellite doesn't pick up everything.

 

[Master Chief]

Even More Hilarious
Below they applied the Modi formula that if there's clouds, the planes won't be seen in radar due to low visibility

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ek hijabi, ek sardarji, ek arunachal/tibet wala.

Well blow me, they got the whole fkin DEI spectrum in there.

And every Pakistani is a "janab".

All political objectives attained in 5 minutes.

Why are Bollywood movies even longer than 5 minutes any more?

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

ek hijabi, ek sardarji, ek arunachal/tibet wala.

Well blow me, they got the whole fkin DEI spectrum in there.

And every Pakistani is a "janab".

All political objectives attained in 5 minutes.

Why are Bollywood movies even longer than 5 minutes any more?

pata nahi iss janab say kab humari jaan chutay ge? mujhay tau iss janab aur kandhay pay romaal aur ankhon main surmay nay shadeed tang kar diya hai..

ye script kisi fighter pilot say hi sahi karwa laitay..aur humary air chief ko esay dikhaya hai jaisay wo aik chaprasi hai aik aam army officer ka..kay us say puch puch kay operation room main operation chala raha? mazaak hi hai poora

 

[suriya]

The Indians are exaggerating the impact of the missile strikes on Pakistani bases to compensate for the serious whopping their Air Force experienced and the grounding of their Air Force for 2 days. PAF was the first Air Force to enforce complete and total air superiority against not just a peer Air Force but in many ways, stronger Air Force on paper.

enforce complete and total air superiority?? How?

Forget IAF jets for a second, you think from S-400 to LRSAM, to Akash to Spyder were also out of service??


Not a single pakistan missile could strike its claimed target. CM-400 fall on large field 10miles from Adampur base. Of course pakistan while it had live Sat feed from China during the operation would not reveal damage pics of targets it claimed to have attacked.

The Indians want you to believe that the air engagement and air superiority enforcement weren’t as of a big deal as few holes on PAF bases and no material loss. They lost each and every frontline fighter jet in their inventory (Rafale, SU-30, Mirage-2000 & MiG-29)

13 airbases were struck by two dozen missiles .
See where runaways were hit. It is called with pin point accuracy
India got more than few 1000s of same type of missiles. It's a big deal.

Yes, up to 4 jets lost but as the defence attaché mentioned it was due to the pollical leadership fault who set a RoE that handicapped iaf. When that RoE was changed iaf struck Pakistani bases with drones and missiles wherever it choose.

It’s the Indian logic and for Pakistanis surprised by this logical, one has to take a long view of the psychology at play here. India is a nation with no serious military history and one that every power from Alexander great to the British conquered and subdued. Small achievements like a crater on a runaway are a big deal for them. The Hindu nationalist have to delude themselves that they have done something big even though everyone knows the real war was in the air. This is why Air Force exists.

LOL! This is so amusing. I love this delusion.
Bro, you people are from pakistan which was part of undivided India till 1947.

The region Alexander invaded is also in Pakistan.
Not a single Punjabi or Sindhi ever invaded any part of India, let alone conquered. While from Bihari Ashoka to Samudra Gupta to Hindu Sikh Ranjit Singh ruled parts of today's pakistan for many years.