PTI News, Updates and Discussion

[VCheng]

Well similarly I fail to find support for anyone, anywhere in the world except for PTI. If I ask 1000 people in Pakistan about who they will vote… 950 says PTI and 50 says PML-N and come with the excuse of “family connection with PML-N”… but somehow they have strong support on the election day.

This is out of question as we can all agree in principle that PTI is the largest party in Pakistan since 2018 and will remain in the foreseeable future. They will gain more support in the next election but there will be a big question mark about “permission to rule” after winning the elections.

I guess we will find out whenever the next elections are held. Until then, such speculation is just that - speculation.

 

[PakAl]

Sad thing is PTI had the potential to bring true change, I myself was an avid PTI-supporter at one point. But Imran Khan ruined it with his own ego.

In AJK 90% of PTI leadership has unofficially left PTI, some senior leaders have joined PPP, Pmln and others. They will never sacrifice their business/wealth empire over IK, they are not pti followers but just politicians who changed party and now done it again. Big mistake by IK to allow them to join in the first place.

 

[VCheng]

I don't understand why Imran Khan does not dissolve the power to the PTI senior committe,

Simple answer - no major political party crying for democracy has ever been democratic within its own ranks, PTI included. Sooner or later, they turn into personality cults. As alluded to above, it says far more about the qoum itself than the purported leaders.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Just read what this person wrote and it pretty much summarize why we are living in a gutter…. What a slave mentality and defeatist mentality….

The guy who had three years of not perfect rule but still managed to steer country during COVID times and earning world recognition for his policies and economically Pakistan did well during his time than any other time is worse then 60 years of military rules during which generals did nothing but tape Pakistan and 40 years of Nawaz and Zardari control during which they also took turns raping Pakistan are better than 3 years of stability Pakistan witnessed under Imran ….

I mean you got to wonder what posters like one above get in return for vomitting their their nonsense online …

Lmao, a cult lead by a retarded zani out to make riyast e pudina

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Sad thing is PTI had the potential to bring true change, I myself was an avid PTI-supporter at one point. But Imran Khan ruined it with his own ego.

That being said, his removal was a stupid move by the establishment that inadvertently turned him into a hero and they had no counter to the whole narrative he established, leveraging 'American saazish' narrative very smartly which they didn't anticipate.

They should have simply let him finish his term. But he was pretty much a narcissistic fool with a huge ego that simply refused to take any advice from people who knew better. Was adamant on micro-managing everything on his illogical own whims which was often quite stupid decisions.

Eventually that caught up.

 

[PakAl]

I watched that IRK's show too. I agree with him. PTI needs to WORK, and work hard. They had government of the entire country and now down to a province. If you take a look at the recent Gallup survey, PTI's own people are identifying Punjab government as a better delivering government in the country. How bad can it get?

Where you have a solid hand, deliver to people, gain more votes and be involved with the country. A party that says "we have the majority vote", can't just bank on one man in Jail and everyone just talks about him as if the country and the people didn't give them anymore responsibility. Its like, I'm "someone" in PTI, so my duty to my voters is just that I come in front of the camera daily for 5 minutes. Talk about IK and go home. Voter responsibility completed until next day!

And PLEASE, don't bring in the establishment. Its not establishment's job to make sure Peshawer looks and feels like a capital city of a province, its not their jobs to provide basic healthcare, rescue, schools and other services to people of KPK. Its not establishment's job to setup vocational, training based educational institutes so people can learn a trade and start earning.

Please also don't bring in the health card. If it was actually working beyond a basic "fever and headache" treatment, majority of the KPK people wouldn't be going to Punjab hospital.

I am still waiting for one role model police station, hospital, lawyers office where no corruption takes place, infact role model province should be made, this will bring real revolution but it hasn't happened, the people don't change overnight.

 

[PakAl]

Simple answer - no major political party crying for democracy has ever been democratic within its own ranks, PTI included. Sooner or later, they turn into personality cults. As alluded to above, it says far more about the qoum itself than the purported leaders.

I agree, people follow cult personalities, from politicians, judges, police, religious personalities and even Youtube mullahs. Noone ever sets up a proper political party, based on merit, where leadership rises with experience and skills.

 

[SaadH]

Does corruption have any future with out Nawaz Sharif ?

Absolutely NoT

Nawaz Sharif is a mere mole in the whole corruption industry run out of GHQ Pindi.

 

[Distant_Observer]

That being said, his removal was a stupid move by the establishment that inadvertently turned him into a hero and they had no counter to the whole narrative he established, leveraging 'American saazish' narrative very smartly which they didn't anticipate.

They should have simply let him finish his term. But he was pretty much a narcissistic fool with a huge ego that simply refused to take any advice from people who knew better. Was adamant on micro-managing everything on his illogical own whims which was often quite stupid decisions.

Eventually that caught up.

The economy had started declining and public sentiment was not very pro PTI if I recall. So there was no rush.

Unless they were on a timeline. Israel probably wanted to begin operations and deep state was worried IK would want to be centre of attention and make a scene. WB and IMF didn't have faith in PTI's leadership. Could be a number of reasons.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

The economy had started declining and public sentiment was not very pro PTI if I recall. So there was no rush.

Unless they were on a timeline. Israel probably wanted to begin operations and deep state was worried IK would want to be centre of attention and make a scene. WB and IMF didn't have faith in PTI's leadership. Could be a number of reasons.

They just got arrogant because they enjoyed huge support thinking no one will really care, so rushed in prematurely once they fell out with him. Then he started his saazish drama and causing instability and things kicked off.

 

[Distant_Observer]

They just got arrogant because they enjoyed huge support thinking no one will really care, so rushed in prematurely once they fell out with him. Then he started his saazish drama and causing instability and things kicked off.

He did the whole human shields around his compound He knew the cases were coming and he would go down for a long time so it was his last stand. Understandable.

I think he should have done a Nawaz and left the country. Atleast he would have had more control over his party remotely.

 

[brazensword]

when the cult of personality dies, the cult dies with it


Maga will end after trump

Just like PTI will end after khan or atleast not be as popular as PMLN or PPP

You're being reductionist. Every movement is a cult when sliced deep enough. You need a leader to galvanise people to a cause.

Also; PML (Nawaz) isn't a cult? Its right there in the friggin name. Everywhere I go I see Cutie's face in Lahore lmao; that's what a cult is.

 

[alphapak]

a cult lead by a retarded zani out to make riyast e pudina

a h@ramkhor like you should lead the way and make riyast e pudina.

 

[PakAl]

We have to wait and see just how all this situation plays out. It will not be resolved quickly or even drastically any time soon.

From me speaking to some PTI MNAs, they claiming the issue is a deadlock due to Imran Khan not dropping anti establishment narrative, 9th May acceptance and apology, social media attacks on Generals and ISI, amongst other propaganda which the establishment and others claim are false narrative built against the Pakistani state. When Imran Khan was removed the establishment tried to contact IK but he refused to speak, now the establishment has the upper hand so why should they speak to Pti, especially after PTI forced them to do whatever they did (according to them, not me).

So what can the solution be? Its a deadlock. I blame PTI leadership, it's their job to protect Imran Khan and they need to speak to him, to break the deadlock, stop the planned narrative, get him out of jail and to Bani Bala, then slowly as the situation improves get back in the game, after all it's politics.

 

[brazensword]

The establishment setup may be flawed but at least the military is institutionally strong and has a diverse set of opinions.

Lost me there lmao.