Syrian Civil War and The future of Syria after liberation

[PakAl]

I don't think Hamas identifies with a particular manhaj. From what I have seen the Madkhalis hate them, as does Daesh. Calling them "ahl ul bidah" or whatever.

For what its worth, the people of Falastin are usually Manstream Hanafis and Shafi Asharis, not those that identify with the najdi dawah usually. You will see a lot of videos coming out of Gaza of them doing Salawat in groups, among other things.

Hamas are aligned with Ikhwanis but they are Sunni Sufis. This is why Salafis around the world call them mushrik n kafirs, they laugh at them and say Allah is punishing them for their shirk. In reality they are going Jannah for their sacrifices.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Keep working on your reading comprehension. I never said Hesbollah was in the north.

Hezbollah actually does have a very strong presence in Baalbek and Hermel in the north. But don't let trolls change the topic to Hezbollah.

 

[Kyussis]

The only armed forces in the world listed as terrorist is Iran. the so-called Iranian revolution guard corps or something.

There is no ideoloy vetting in the army as long as one is muslim and pledges loyalty to the armed forces. He will be under direct command of a senior officer

Who lists them as that except for your beloved Zionist masters?

 

[Mobius]

How does it feel that the Zionist entity sees you as a lesser threat than the
"Controlled Agent". lol

For the record, I'm a Pakistani of Punjabi background. I have no link to Iran.
To address your point, it's all smoke and mirrors. Israel is deliberately creating a environment where they want to be perceived as the victim.

With regards to Turkey, I will just quote a prophecy. For those that understand, this is all you need, to know the reality of the power corridors of Turkey.....

"Verily you shall conquer Constantinople. What a wonderful leader will her leader be, and what a wonderful army will that army be!"

Istanbul is yet to be liberated. Why does it need to be liberated I wonder if it's already controlled by "Muslims".

 

[PakAl]

There is no game going on. It is just that the majority of the younger generation prefer Salaf because it is easy and simple.

Sufism is declining sharply, Hanafism etc etc are also declining amongst the younger generations.

I would even say places like Azerbaijan is seeing such rise which is quite surprising it is not only in Sunni countries.

This is done through preaching by the salafis to convert sunni sufis to salafis. Anyways you are correct, salafis are rising whilst sufis are declining. One reason I see is sunni sufis are traditionalist and young Muslims want to follow modern Islam. Today in the western world salafism is rising at rapid pace due to how they preach and salafism is modern and intergrate with western world, they also make it simple and easier for the people. Another advantage they have is billions of funding from Saudis and Qataris whilst sunni sufi countries do not fund Islamic movements. My relatives were 100% sunni sufis and now 70% are salafis and other modern movements like JI, Ikhwanis etc.

 

[hyperman]

Keep working on your reading comprehension. I never said Hesbollah was in the north.

What was my original point?

That the Sunnis in Lebanon aren't bothered with whatever Hezbollah decides, whether to fight Israel or to just sit and get bombed. They may have supported Hezbollah in 2006, but at this point they are indifferent. The people affected would be the maronites in mixed areas in beqaa where the Israelis have been striking, and not Assad, the/ opposition to Hezbollah is greater with them than with the Sunnis.

So, again your excuse of oh hezbollah isn't fighting b/c sunnis would be upset is moot. No the reality is that if Hezbollah fires back, it would be overpowered and Southern Lebanon would get ethnically cleansed possibly. Their stocks are low and they have no supply line. Hell they may not even be able to resist the Lebanese Army about disarming. So the Idea that they aren't responding b/c of Sunnis is silly.

 

[Kyussis]

The only armed forces in the world listed as terrorist is Iran. the so-called Iranian revolution guard corps or something.

There is no ideoloy vetting in the army as long as one is muslim and pledges loyalty to the armed forces. He will be under direct command of a senior officer

That "Terrorist" IRGC did more harm to Israel in 12 days than what 1.5+ billion Sunnis ( outside of Gaza) have managed to do in 21 months! To be fair outside of a handfull of respectable individuals, the rest of the 1.5+ billion Sunnis have not even dared to look funny in the direction of Israel so that is not saying much!!!

 

[Persian Gulf]

Burning the homes of the Druze in the village of Al-Mazra'a.

The madness of sectarian war must stop.

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[Persian Gulf]

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[PakAl]

Another great post. Although, I'm of the opinion that the fake sultan is also a controlled agent of the Zionists.

I pray he is not, I love Ottomans, its 700 years Islamic history and Turkey. Not sure why Erdogon destroyed Syria, he is the one who turned many sunni sufi ulema against Syrian government etc, but now Salafis overtook it whilst sunni sufis watching from the sidelines despite being majority.

 

[hyperman]

This is done through preaching by the salafis to convert sunni sufis to salafis. Anyways you are correct, salafis are rising whilst sufis are declining. One reason I see is sunni sufis are traditionalist and young Muslims want to follow modern Islam. Today in the western world salafism is rising at rapid pace due to how they preach and salafism is modern and intergrate with western world, they also make it simple and easier for the people. Another advantage they have is billions of funding from Saudis and Qataris whilst sunni sufi countries do not fund Islamic movements. My relatives were 100% sunni sufis and now 70% are salafis and other modern movements like JI, Ikhwanis etc.

Ikhwaanis and Sufis are not either one or the other. and btw the Deobandis who are the prominent group in Pakistan are not Salafis, they are Hanafi Maturidi/Ashari in creed. You are associating different things together under the banner of "salafism", and Laxity with "sufiism" this is not theologically correct. Many people make this mistake especially lay people, but its actually more nuanced.

 

[hyperman]

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[PakAl]

Except it is a proxy for all Sunnis. Salafi has taken on a negative political term recently even though it literally means follower of the Ahl-AlSalaf, ie the rightly guided companions of Prophet Muhammad (SAW). Most if not all Sunnis would identify themselves as that but it wont denote anything specific about the school or thought they follow or 'mathhab' just that they look up to and respect the best generation of Muslims (the companions) and try to follow their example.

When non-Sunnis, hell even westerners, use that term as a dog whistle pejorative, we see it as a direct attack on Sunnis in general, since most of us would also identify with such a broad term, just like the term Sunni, they are synonymous. Make sure you understand that even if you think you are referring to a specific group of people, it wont be taken and assumed as such.

Salafi term doesn't make sense, who were the real salaf? It was the first 3 generation of Muslims, which includes Imam Abu Hanifa Rahiullah who was himself a salaf. So today salafi claim they follow salaf but actually reject the salaf. It's just a slogan to misguide people. The real salafis are the sunni Muslims, who are the Hanafis shafis Malikis and hanbalis, the followers of 4 fiqh, those who love the Mughals, Ottomans, Seljuks etc, easily 900 years of islamic history here.

 

[Kyussis]

What was my original point?

That the Sunnis in Lebanon aren't bothered with whatever Hezbollah decides, whether to fight Israel or to just sit and get bombed. They may have supported Hezbollah in 2006, but at this point they are indifferent. The people affected would be the maronites in mixed areas in beqaa where the Israelis have been striking, and not Assad, the/ opposition to Hezbollah is greater with them than with the Sunnis.

So, again your excuse of oh hezbollah isn't fighting b/c sunnis would be upset is moot. No the reality is that if Hezbollah fires back, it would be overpowered and Southern Lebanon would get ethnically cleansed possibly. Their stocks are low and they have no supply line. Hell they may not even be able to resist the Lebanese Army about disarming. So the Idea that they aren't responding b/c of Sunnis is silly.

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Hezbollah is a spent force with a hostile Sunni population to their back. Tell me what is your great and powerful Jewlani ever done against Israeli aggression?

 

[PakAl]

Ikhwaanis and Sufis are not either one or the other. and btw the Deobandis who are the prominent group in Pakistan are not Salafis, they are Hanafi Maturidi/Ashari in creed. You are associating different things together under the banner of "salafism", and Laxity with "sufiism" this is not theologically correct. Many people make this mistake especially lay people, but its actually more nuanced.

I understand my brother. The thing with ikhwanis is some are sunni shafi sufis and some are salafis, meaning in some nation they are salafis and in some sufis. The deobandis are also a mixture, in my local area they follow Ibn Abdul wahab najdi and consider him Shaykh ul Islam etc but follow hanafi fiqh with salafi creed and if you go certain other areas they claim they don't follow him but still have similar creed to salafis but in Pakistan some reject him and some follow him. It's a mixture.