Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Doesn't matter what you think when you're sitting in your lounge sipping tea and reflecting warmly on Modi's economic policies.

What matters is the whole mythology upon which RSS-BJP have cemented their definitive cultural legacy, starting from Golwalkar himself. The entire narrative upon which their political discourse is built is that Pakistan is an illegitimate child of Nehru, Mountbatten and Jinnah.

The cornerstone of their methodology for resisting the legitimacy of Pakistani narratives on Kashmir is to reject Pakistan's legitimacy as a state altogether, and in this process, deploy a false underlying historical context of "akhand bharat".

You and your "progressive" chums who genuinely convince yourselves to think you only support Modi for his "economic policies" will continue, by default, to empower his imperialist designs, regardless of your drawing room self-soothing and oblivious rationalisations.

1. Personal attacks - do better man

2. You're incorrect. BJP-RSS legacy is much more than anti-Pakistan. You don't get elected in India without delivering on promises (at least partially).
People are self-centered on their profits/improvement in life (as they should be). Even on Pakistan, they will only unite if India takes a drastic step in self-defense.

Also, there is no "Ghazwa-e-Pakistan" mentality. Even today, someone posted on this thread about final war/Ghazwa-e-Hind. Haven't seen many Indian members post about the "inevitable war"

3. Indian's don't want any part of Pakistan because if it were to happen, it will hamper their own growth/happiness.
 

"If one follows India’s logic, then Pakistan wasn’t just fighting the Indians, but also the Russians, the French, and others from whom India procures its defence equipment."

DOWNED JETS & DANGEROUS STORYLINES​

In trying to spin Operation Sindoor into triumph, India invoked China and Türkiye — and lost credibility instead
BY HAMMAD SARFRAZ |

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PUBLISHED JULY 20, 2025

KARACHI:
In May this year, India’s prized Rafale jets — once paraded as the crown jewels of its military modernisation — fell from the skies during an unprovoked escalation with its adversary, nuclear-armed neighbour, Pakistan.

What followed was less a military debrief than a media spectacle, as New Delhi worked tirelessly to rebrand the skirmish as a triumph, spinning the narrative long after the dust had settled.

Two months after the nuclear-armed rivals edged toward open conflict, India’s Deputy Chief of Army Staff made a revelation — not in a formal strategic forum or before an international audience, but while addressing a gathering hosted by the Indian Chambers of Commerce and Industry. During 'Operation Sindoor', he claimed, India had confronted not one but three adversaries – Pakistan as the “front face,” with China and Türkiye allegedly providing critical support to Islamabad behind the scenes.

Lieutenant General Rahul R. Singh, stitching together India’s latest storyline around Operation Sindoor, reached for an ancient analogy to make his point. Citing The 36 Stratagems, a Chinese military classic, he invoked the tactic of “killing with a borrowed knife” — the idea of striking an enemy through a proxy. China, he suggested, had done precisely that, using Pakistan as its instrument to inflict damage on India while avoiding direct confrontation.

“China would rather use the neighbour to cause pain [to India] than get involved in mudslinging on the northern border,” he told the gathering — a line that neatly folded geopolitics into parable.

The officer went further to claim a-known fact that Pakistan is heavily dependent on Chinese military hardware. “If you were to look at statistics in the last five years, 81% of the military hardware that Pakistan gets is from China.”

By that logic, experts point out, India too was effectively backed by France — and even Russia — given that the weapons deployed against Pakistan were sourced from those very countries.

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Rafale jets and their SCALP-EG missile systems were used in strikes that left scores of Pakistani civilians dead. The use of these French-supplied arms, critics argue, sits uneasily with the European Union’s own arms export regulations, which prohibit the transfer of weapons likely to be used in acts of aggression or against civilian populations.

Both the Rafale aircraft and SCALP-EG missiles are exported under the EU’s Common Position 2008/944/CFSP, which outlines eight legally binding criteria that member states must apply when granting arms export licences. These are not advisory guidelines, but enforceable obligations under EU law. Failure to comply with these criteria, experts said, not only undermines EU credibility but may also constitute a breach of international humanitarian law.

Hassan Akbar, a former Pakistan Fellow at the Wilson Center, a Washington D.C.-based think tank, described the latest iteration of India’s narrative as “convoluted.” “It is being peddled by New Delhi in an attempt to explain away the failures of its military against a smaller adversary, and to paint Pakistan as a proxy of China—particularly for Western audiences,” he said.

Pakistan’s success, he noted, was primarily the result of indigenous advancements that enabled its fighter jets, radars, electronic warfare platforms, and sensors—sourced from various countries—to operate seamlessly in a networked, multi-domain environment.

“If one follows India’s logic, then Pakistan wasn’t just fighting the Indians, but also the Russians, the French, and others from whom India procures its defence equipment. It’s evident that India’s narrative lacks both evidence and coherence,” said Hassan.

But India has, by now, earned a reputation for narrative-building. Investigations by the Brussels-based EU DisinfoLab previously uncovered a sprawling network of fake news websites linked to New Delhi — suggesting that the Modi government has long been engaged in shaping favourable perceptions abroad, particularly to keep Western allies firmly in its corner. Its latest attempt to rope in China and Türkiye — apparently to deflect international embarrassment over Operation Sindoor — appears to follow that same well-worn playbook.

“Shifting Indian narratives around Operation Sindoor — particularly the effort to draw China and Türkiye into the equation — only undermines whatever credibility is left,” said Dr Talat Wizarat, former head of international relations at the University of Karachi. For a country that claims regional power status, she added, “India has shown remarkably little control over keeping its own storyline steady and consistent.”

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Shifting lines in the sand

In the aftermath of Operation Sindoor, India was drawing lines in the sand—each washed away for the next. What began as a brief military flare-up with Pakistan quickly morphed into a campaign of narrative consolidation, where the facts of the operation were overshadowed by the story New Delhi wanted the world to see and believe. The Modi government packaged the operation as a masterstroke in strategic deterrence, but the cracks were visible from the start.

India’s own Rafale jets crashed, yet the official line barely acknowledged that, choosing instead to inflate the scale and scope of the threat. So extreme was the narrative that India claimed it wasn’t merely facing Pakistan but a coordinated axis including China and Türkiye—an assertion that lacked substantive proof and seemed more geopolitical theatre than military assessment.

This reframing allowed India to sidestep uncomfortable scrutiny over intelligence gaps and civilian casualties. The use of French-supplied Rafales and missile systems against Pakistani targets, some of which struck civilian zones, also threw a wrench into the European Union’s arms export standards, which ostensibly forbid such end-use. In Brussels and Paris, the silence was telling. India’s post-operation messaging relied heavily on volume and repetition rather than verifiability, in keeping with its now-familiar strategy of managing perception rather than consequence.

Critics argue that Operation Sindoor wasn’t a turning point in regional security dynamics but rather a continuation of a pattern – military engagement followed by information warfare, where ambiguity is weaponised and accountability conveniently disappears.

“The fact that the Indian government had to offer so many versions of what it called a victory over Pakistan suggests there was no real victory to begin with—if any at all,” quipped Wizarat, a keen observer of regional affairs.

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The great embarrassment

Prime Minister Narendra Modi has developed a reputation for his showmanship. After every major international event, the BJP leader tends to fire off posts on X, formerly Twitter, calling most — if not all — foreign leaders his dear friends. His image as India’s prime minister, experts argue, has been carefully choreographed. At the consecration of the Ram temple — built on the site of the Mughal-era Babri Masjid — it was not the high priest but Modi himself who led the ceremony, performing rituals traditionally reserved for Hindu religious leaders.

The aftermath of Operation Sindoor has, in many ways, proved an embarrassment for Modi's curated image — both at home and abroad. “The chorus of critical voices has been louder,” said one expert, who did not wish to be named. The extent of the unease was captured in a recent post by Congress leader Rahul Gandhi, who shared a clip of US President Donald Trump suggesting that India lost five jets during the escalation.

“Modi ji, what is the truth about the five jets? The country has the right to know,” Gandhi posted — a pointed jab at his political rival and India’s sitting prime minister. But the embarrassment hasn’t been confined to India alone.

Shares of Dassault Aviation — the French manufacturer of Rafale jets used by India during ‘Operation Sindoor’ — slumped on European stock markets. A symbolic fall, some noted wryly, echoing the very aircraft reportedly brought down by Pakistani fire.

“New Delhi’s credibility as a country claiming military superiority over its adversaries came crashing down with those jets. Had it maintained a consistent narrative, the embarrassment might have been avoided,” said Wizarat.

Akbar, in his precise assessment of Modi’s predicament, noted -- “India’s political and military leadership has been trying to sell their shortcomings during the conflict as a victory to domestic audiences.”

The former Wilson Center fellow’s view rings true in light of Prime Minister Modi’s actions. Shortly after the operation — and despite the humiliation of Indian fighter jets smouldering in the wake of Operation Sindoor — Prime Minister Narendra Modi, as The Wire reported, positioned himself squarely at the heart of a triumph he had all but choreographed. His public addresses became rituals of symbolism, thick with invocations of sindoor, however, conspicuously devoid of any reference to the militants behind the Pahalgam attack. Then, on 12 May — a full forty-eight hours after US President Donald Trump brokered a ceasefire between India and Pakistan — Modi launched into an unrelenting campaign blitz -- nine rallies in eight days across six states, as if electoral momentum could be spun from the ashes of a fractured narrative.

Wizarat described the entire operation as meticulously timed for electoral gain. “It has become almost predictable,” she noted, for India’s political leadership to invoke the threat of Pakistan — or the spectre of Muslims — in the run-up to elections, as a way to consolidate support among its Hindu base.

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The China conundrum

They say one lie begets another — a spiral of invention to conceal what never truly was. India now finds itself tangled in precisely such a mess. Despite New Delhi’s persistent evasions over the fate of its downed fighter jets during the skirmish, new reports have emerged confirming what the government has long tried to bury -- that its prized aircraft were indeed shot down — not by a technologically superior Western force, but by Chinese-made weapons in Pakistani hands.

Armed with that uncomfortable truth, Indian officials have begun aiming their rhetorical fire at Beijing, painting China as the main villain in the conflict. However, experts argue that the accusation stretches the boundaries of credibility. “The sale of arms — however consequential — does not make China a combatant, any more than France or Russia were deemed parties to the conflict for supplying India with the very weapons it used against Pakistan,” said Wizarat.

India, Wizarat argued, must move past its obsession with outpacing China in the regional — or even broader global — power race. “If anything, the recent escalation between Pakistan and India has shattered the myth of Western superiority in the arms race,” she concluded.

According to Akbar, India’s attempt to reframe the narrative was less about facts on the ground and more about courting Western sympathy — achieved by invoking alleged Chinese involvement in the tit-for-tat exchanges with Pakistan.

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The insult that bleeds

If the downing of the Rafales was an insult, the injury hasn’t let up — not because it must, but because India’s persistent denial and deflection keep inviting it. The most recent blow came from The Economist, which detailed an incident Indian authorities still refuse to acknowledge.

On May 7, the London-based publication reported, residents of Akalia Kalan — a village near a northern Indian airbase — were jolted awake by an unfamiliar roar and a series of explosions. A ball of fire streaked across the sky before crashing into a field. The wreckage, unmistakably a fighter jet, killed two villagers. The pilots had ejected and were later found injured in nearby fields.

India has yet to officially confirm the incident — one of several aircraft losses during a brief but intense four-day conflict with Pakistan. While New Delhi disputes Islamabad’s claim of downing six jets — including three French-made Rafales — foreign military observers, The Economist noted, have verified that at least five Indian aircraft were lost. Indian military sources have since quietly conceded losses, though they suggest operational errors, not technological failure, may be to blame.

The implications are far-reaching. According to defence experts, this was the first time advanced Chinese weapons — Pakistan’s J-10 fighters and PL-15 missiles — were deployed against Western and Russian systems.

Early assessments, The Economist reported, pointed to the superiority of Chinese systems — and possible real-time intelligence sharing from Beijing. But the most damning revelation may have come from within -- a leaked recording of India’s defence attaché in Jakarta, Captain Shiv Kumar, aired in June. In it, he admits India’s initial losses were due to political constraints that barred the air force from targeting Pakistani military installations. Only after suffering setbacks, he said, were the rules of engagement expanded.

“The fact that India continues to deflect questions about gains and losses shows there were real issues not only during the operation, but also in its aftermath — where any victorious side would have flaunted its trophies right away. India, however, has been on the back foot ever since,” said Wizarat. “Instead of adding China to the equation, India must fix its own equation,” she concluded.
Wow, didn't know US was also a significant arms importer over the years.
 
1. Personal attacks - do better man

2. You're incorrect. BJP-RSS legacy is much more than anti-Pakistan. You don't get elected in India without delivering on promises (at least partially).
People are self-centered on their profits/improvement in life (as they should be). Even on Pakistan, they will only unite if India takes a drastic step in self-defense.

Also, there is no "Ghazwa-e-Pakistan" mentality. Even today, someone posted on this thread about final war/Ghazwa-e-Hind. Haven't seen many Indian members post about the "inevitable war"

3. Indian's don't want any part of Pakistan because if it were to happen, it will hamper their own growth/happiness.

lets stop fooling ourselves,shall we?

Please go and look at the MAP of "akhand bharat" of your parliament building......same mentality and approach like that of israel......

Pakistan and its people know that very well and can see thru that BS. When you post a map that includes other countries as that of your own, you can't fool us.
Perhaps u can fool the westerners, but not Pakistanis. We know u very well.

Try harder bud. Try harder.
 
lets stop fooling ourselves,shall we?

Please go and look at the MAP of "akhand bharat" of your parliament building......same mentality and approach like that of israel......

Pakistan and its people know that very well and can see thru that BS. When you post a map that includes other countries as that of your own, you can't fool us.
Perhaps u can fool the westerners, but not Pakistanis. We know u very well.

Try harder bud. Try harder.

I am not here to change your mind so don't need to "try harder". I am sharing my perspective - want to agree or not is your decision.

Has India claimed any lands in Pakistan (such as KPK/Baluchistan as its own)?
Has India claimed Nepal as its own?

The answer is no and equating a map to state policy is bereft of logic.
 
I am not here to change your mind so don't need to "try harder". I am sharing my perspective - want to agree or not is your decision.

Has India claimed any lands in Pakistan (such as KPK/Baluchistan as its own)?
Has India claimed Nepal as its own?

The answer is no and equating a map to state policy is bereft of logic.
Claiming Kashmir, occupying Kashmir is not something which India did, right?
I am asking you as a native Kashmiri.
Btw I am not talking about Junagarh, Hyderabad Deccan or Manawarid.
Also I believe you are ignorant of "Akhand bharat" philosophy and it's implementation by your current government.
 
Claiming Kashmir, occupying Kashmir is not something which India did, right?
I am asking you as a native Kashmiri.
Btw I am not talking about Junagarh, Hyderabad Deccan or Manawarid.
Also I believe you are ignorant of "Akhand bharat" philosophy and it's implementation by your current government.

Simple question: Tell me a "new" territory that has been claimed by this government? I don't recall any so I don't understand what you mean by implementation of "Akhand Bharat" philosophy by the current government.

Kashmir - its very well documented that Maharaja signed the instrument of accession and still Indian leadership agreed to a plebiscite the terms of which are clearly documented. Those terms were never fulfilled - the first part was that Pakistan will vacate the occupied region - which hasn't happened. So blame India all you want but right now if anyone wants a plebiscite, the ball is in Pakistan's court.

Sharing the resolution below

The resolution

The final resolution adopted had two parts. The first part increased the Commission's strength to five members and asked it to proceed to the Indian subcontinent at once to mediate between India and Pakistan. The second part dealt with the Security council's recommendations for restoring peace and conducting a plebiscite. This involved three steps.[4][5]

In the first step, Pakistan was asked to use its "best endeavours" to secure the withdrawal of all tribesmen and Pakistani nationals, putting an end to the fighting in the state.

In the second step, India was asked to "progressively reduce" its forces to the minimum level required for keeping law and order. It laid down principles that India should follow in administering law and order in consultation with the Commission, using local personnel as far as possible.

In the third step, India was asked to ensure that all the major political parties were invited to participate in the state government at the ministerial level, essentially forming a coalition cabinet. India should then appoint a Plebiscite Administrator nominated by the United Nations, who would have a range of powers including powers to deal with the two countries and ensure a free and impartial plebiscite. Measures were to be taken to ensure the return of refugees, the release of all political prisoners, and for political freedom.
The resolution was approved by nine votes against none. The Soviet Union and Ukrainian SSR abstained.[6]
 
Has India claimed any lands in Pakistan (such as KPK/Baluchistan as its own)?
Has India claimed Nepal as its own?
Yes,
1. India has a parliamentary resolution in 1991 claiming sovereignty over all of Kashmir.
2.The ideological goal of India is to create a Greater India ( Akhand Bharat) which stretches from Turkey to Cambodia and which will be depopulated of its indigenous populations and repopulated with Hindu Indians.
3, The Apex Religious body The Marg Darshak Samiti from Haridwar in Uttar Pradesh which is backed by the government of India has a phase 1 of the plan to annex Bangladesh and Pakistan and depopulate it . This plan was announced on December 21, 2021. The plan called for the elimination of 500 million Muslims of the Indian subcontinent using concentration camps and weapons of mass destruction. This announcement alarmed India's defence establishment and a number of high ranking retired defence personnel wrote a letter to the President of India voicing concern. That was the only dissent against the plan.
4. India is a communal, xenophobic fascist state with a population suffering from mass delusions and religious fundamentalist hysteria. With due respect, you are fairly representative of the mindset of your nation.
 
1. Personal attacks - do better man

2. You're incorrect. BJP-RSS legacy is much more than anti-Pakistan. You don't get elected in India without delivering on promises (at least partially).
People are self-centered on their profits/improvement in life (as they should be). Even on Pakistan, they will only unite if India takes a drastic step in self-defense.

Also, there is no "Ghazwa-e-Pakistan" mentality. Even today, someone posted on this thread about final war/Ghazwa-e-Hind. Haven't seen many Indian members post about the "inevitable war"

3. Indian's don't want any part of Pakistan because if it were to happen, it will hamper their own growth/happiness.
1. Irony is nothing personal. It is part and parcel of political discourse in any healthy democratic institution, such as pdf.

2. Yes, I agree. The simple populist appeal of RSS-BJP goes beyond the anti-Pakistan narrative. It also broadly entails a disenfranchisement and "shaming" of the entirety of subcontinental Islamic legacy and any history deemed to be "non-native" by the narrowest of definitions (factually inaccurate and contradictory as they are). These are all elements used to build the loyal fanbase for BJP's various activities.

3. India's occupation of parts of Jammu & Kashmir, as well as Junagadh which previously formally acceded to Pakistan, along with the terrorist-driven attack on our sovereign territory of East Pakistan all constitute events that have helped drive the current forever war between our nation states (though this is not an exhaustive list by any means) and this certainly does affect Indian happiness adversely.
 
1. Irony is nothing personal. It is part and parcel of political discourse in any healthy democratic institution, such as pdf.

2. Yes, I agree. The simple populist appeal of RSS-BJP goes beyond the anti-Pakistan narrative. It also broadly entails a disenfranchisement and "shaming" of the entirety of subcontinental Islamic legacy and any history deemed to be "non-native" by the narrowest of definitions (factually inaccurate and contradictory as they are). These are all elements used to build the loyal fanbase for BJP's various activities.

3. India's occupation of parts of Jammu & Kashmir, as well as Junagadh which previously formally acceded to Pakistan, along with the terrorist-driven attack on our sovereign territory of East Pakistan all constitute events that have helped drive the current forever war between our nation states (though this is not an exhaustive list by any means) and this certainly does affect Indian happiness adversely.
The India Pakistan conflict is an extension of India's own internal convulsions of savagery and hatred.
- 7.1 million Muslim voters in Bihar have been disenfranchised
by declaring them Bangladeshis
- 2.1 million West Bengali Muslims who speak Bengali have been
rounded up from outside their state and incarcerated in
concentration camps for execution.
If the genocide in the Middle East seems gruesome what will happen in the sub-continent starting from India will make the world quickly forget the Middle East.

Pakistan, is on the proverbial chopping block, next after the Indian Muslims. Of course unlike the Indian Muslims who are as docile awaiting processing as sheep in a butcher's pen, the Pakistanis will likely go down fighting and leaving the Indians awhile to recover to take on Bangladesh.
 
@Baibers_1260

1. JAK is part of India per instrument of accession signed by Maharaja. Indian politicians were generous to agree to a plebiscite. Steps laid out in the resolution should be carried out and Kashmiris should get right of self determination. So, when is Pakistan vacating its citizens so we can follow step 2.

2. I will say this again - lets stick with actions of India (government), not some tom, d and harry - freaking 1.5B people, you can find loonies everywhere

3. Plain old racism on your part - next?

@Master Chief

1. When you start "assuming" what I am doing/where I am sitting, that's personal - you know what is irony - Pakistani members here talking about Gazhwa-e-Hind while blaming India of hegemony. No Indian poster talking about Gazhwa-e-Pakistan or Akhand Bharat on the thread

2. Disagree - common people are worried about their day to day and whether their life is better in this regime or not. There is nothing like wiping some Muslim legacy - Taj Mahal is still there, PM still stands atop Red Fort on 15th August...

3. See point no. 1 of my reply to Baibers on JAK.
On East Pakistan - precisely my point, India doesn't want any territory. It used fissures in society to reduce risk from the nation state which according to India had attacked her in 1947-48 and 1965
 

"If one follows India’s logic, then Pakistan wasn’t just fighting the Indians, but also the Russians, the French, and others from whom India procures its defence equipment."

DOWNED JETS & DANGEROUS STORYLINES​

In trying to spin Operation Sindoor into triumph, India invoked China and Türkiye — and lost credibility instead
BY HAMMAD SARFRAZ |

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PUBLISHED JULY 20, 2025

KARACHI:
In May this year, India’s prized Rafale jets — once paraded as the crown jewels of its military modernisation — fell from the skies during an unprovoked escalation with its adversary, nuclear-armed neighbour, Pakistan.

What followed was less a military debrief than a media spectacle, as New Delhi worked tirelessly to rebrand the skirmish as a triumph, spinning the narrative long after the dust had settled.

Two months after the nuclear-armed rivals edged toward open conflict, India’s Deputy Chief of Army Staff made a revelation — not in a formal strategic forum or before an international audience, but while addressing a gathering hosted by the Indian Chambers of Commerce and Industry. During 'Operation Sindoor', he claimed, India had confronted not one but three adversaries – Pakistan as the “front face,” with China and Türkiye allegedly providing critical support to Islamabad behind the scenes.

Lieutenant General Rahul R. Singh, stitching together India’s latest storyline around Operation Sindoor, reached for an ancient analogy to make his point. Citing The 36 Stratagems, a Chinese military classic, he invoked the tactic of “killing with a borrowed knife” — the idea of striking an enemy through a proxy. China, he suggested, had done precisely that, using Pakistan as its instrument to inflict damage on India while avoiding direct confrontation.

“China would rather use the neighbour to cause pain [to India] than get involved in mudslinging on the northern border,” he told the gathering — a line that neatly folded geopolitics into parable.

The officer went further to claim a-known fact that Pakistan is heavily dependent on Chinese military hardware. “If you were to look at statistics in the last five years, 81% of the military hardware that Pakistan gets is from China.”

By that logic, experts point out, India too was effectively backed by France — and even Russia — given that the weapons deployed against Pakistan were sourced from those very countries.

indian-jets-11752998056-1.jpg


Rafale jets and their SCALP-EG missile systems were used in strikes that left scores of Pakistani civilians dead. The use of these French-supplied arms, critics argue, sits uneasily with the European Union’s own arms export regulations, which prohibit the transfer of weapons likely to be used in acts of aggression or against civilian populations.

Both the Rafale aircraft and SCALP-EG missiles are exported under the EU’s Common Position 2008/944/CFSP, which outlines eight legally binding criteria that member states must apply when granting arms export licences. These are not advisory guidelines, but enforceable obligations under EU law. Failure to comply with these criteria, experts said, not only undermines EU credibility but may also constitute a breach of international humanitarian law.

Hassan Akbar, a former Pakistan Fellow at the Wilson Center, a Washington D.C.-based think tank, described the latest iteration of India’s narrative as “convoluted.” “It is being peddled by New Delhi in an attempt to explain away the failures of its military against a smaller adversary, and to paint Pakistan as a proxy of China—particularly for Western audiences,” he said.

Pakistan’s success, he noted, was primarily the result of indigenous advancements that enabled its fighter jets, radars, electronic warfare platforms, and sensors—sourced from various countries—to operate seamlessly in a networked, multi-domain environment.

“If one follows India’s logic, then Pakistan wasn’t just fighting the Indians, but also the Russians, the French, and others from whom India procures its defence equipment. It’s evident that India’s narrative lacks both evidence and coherence,” said Hassan.

But India has, by now, earned a reputation for narrative-building. Investigations by the Brussels-based EU DisinfoLab previously uncovered a sprawling network of fake news websites linked to New Delhi — suggesting that the Modi government has long been engaged in shaping favourable perceptions abroad, particularly to keep Western allies firmly in its corner. Its latest attempt to rope in China and Türkiye — apparently to deflect international embarrassment over Operation Sindoor — appears to follow that same well-worn playbook.

“Shifting Indian narratives around Operation Sindoor — particularly the effort to draw China and Türkiye into the equation — only undermines whatever credibility is left,” said Dr Talat Wizarat, former head of international relations at the University of Karachi. For a country that claims regional power status, she added, “India has shown remarkably little control over keeping its own storyline steady and consistent.”

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Shifting lines in the sand

In the aftermath of Operation Sindoor, India was drawing lines in the sand—each washed away for the next. What began as a brief military flare-up with Pakistan quickly morphed into a campaign of narrative consolidation, where the facts of the operation were overshadowed by the story New Delhi wanted the world to see and believe. The Modi government packaged the operation as a masterstroke in strategic deterrence, but the cracks were visible from the start.

India’s own Rafale jets crashed, yet the official line barely acknowledged that, choosing instead to inflate the scale and scope of the threat. So extreme was the narrative that India claimed it wasn’t merely facing Pakistan but a coordinated axis including China and Türkiye—an assertion that lacked substantive proof and seemed more geopolitical theatre than military assessment.

This reframing allowed India to sidestep uncomfortable scrutiny over intelligence gaps and civilian casualties. The use of French-supplied Rafales and missile systems against Pakistani targets, some of which struck civilian zones, also threw a wrench into the European Union’s arms export standards, which ostensibly forbid such end-use. In Brussels and Paris, the silence was telling. India’s post-operation messaging relied heavily on volume and repetition rather than verifiability, in keeping with its now-familiar strategy of managing perception rather than consequence.

Critics argue that Operation Sindoor wasn’t a turning point in regional security dynamics but rather a continuation of a pattern – military engagement followed by information warfare, where ambiguity is weaponised and accountability conveniently disappears.

“The fact that the Indian government had to offer so many versions of what it called a victory over Pakistan suggests there was no real victory to begin with—if any at all,” quipped Wizarat, a keen observer of regional affairs.

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The great embarrassment

Prime Minister Narendra Modi has developed a reputation for his showmanship. After every major international event, the BJP leader tends to fire off posts on X, formerly Twitter, calling most — if not all — foreign leaders his dear friends. His image as India’s prime minister, experts argue, has been carefully choreographed. At the consecration of the Ram temple — built on the site of the Mughal-era Babri Masjid — it was not the high priest but Modi himself who led the ceremony, performing rituals traditionally reserved for Hindu religious leaders.

The aftermath of Operation Sindoor has, in many ways, proved an embarrassment for Modi's curated image — both at home and abroad. “The chorus of critical voices has been louder,” said one expert, who did not wish to be named. The extent of the unease was captured in a recent post by Congress leader Rahul Gandhi, who shared a clip of US President Donald Trump suggesting that India lost five jets during the escalation.

“Modi ji, what is the truth about the five jets? The country has the right to know,” Gandhi posted — a pointed jab at his political rival and India’s sitting prime minister. But the embarrassment hasn’t been confined to India alone.

Shares of Dassault Aviation — the French manufacturer of Rafale jets used by India during ‘Operation Sindoor’ — slumped on European stock markets. A symbolic fall, some noted wryly, echoing the very aircraft reportedly brought down by Pakistani fire.

“New Delhi’s credibility as a country claiming military superiority over its adversaries came crashing down with those jets. Had it maintained a consistent narrative, the embarrassment might have been avoided,” said Wizarat.

Akbar, in his precise assessment of Modi’s predicament, noted -- “India’s political and military leadership has been trying to sell their shortcomings during the conflict as a victory to domestic audiences.”

The former Wilson Center fellow’s view rings true in light of Prime Minister Modi’s actions. Shortly after the operation — and despite the humiliation of Indian fighter jets smouldering in the wake of Operation Sindoor — Prime Minister Narendra Modi, as The Wire reported, positioned himself squarely at the heart of a triumph he had all but choreographed. His public addresses became rituals of symbolism, thick with invocations of sindoor, however, conspicuously devoid of any reference to the militants behind the Pahalgam attack. Then, on 12 May — a full forty-eight hours after US President Donald Trump brokered a ceasefire between India and Pakistan — Modi launched into an unrelenting campaign blitz -- nine rallies in eight days across six states, as if electoral momentum could be spun from the ashes of a fractured narrative.

Wizarat described the entire operation as meticulously timed for electoral gain. “It has become almost predictable,” she noted, for India’s political leadership to invoke the threat of Pakistan — or the spectre of Muslims — in the run-up to elections, as a way to consolidate support among its Hindu base.

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The China conundrum

They say one lie begets another — a spiral of invention to conceal what never truly was. India now finds itself tangled in precisely such a mess. Despite New Delhi’s persistent evasions over the fate of its downed fighter jets during the skirmish, new reports have emerged confirming what the government has long tried to bury -- that its prized aircraft were indeed shot down — not by a technologically superior Western force, but by Chinese-made weapons in Pakistani hands.

Armed with that uncomfortable truth, Indian officials have begun aiming their rhetorical fire at Beijing, painting China as the main villain in the conflict. However, experts argue that the accusation stretches the boundaries of credibility. “The sale of arms — however consequential — does not make China a combatant, any more than France or Russia were deemed parties to the conflict for supplying India with the very weapons it used against Pakistan,” said Wizarat.

India, Wizarat argued, must move past its obsession with outpacing China in the regional — or even broader global — power race. “If anything, the recent escalation between Pakistan and India has shattered the myth of Western superiority in the arms race,” she concluded.

According to Akbar, India’s attempt to reframe the narrative was less about facts on the ground and more about courting Western sympathy — achieved by invoking alleged Chinese involvement in the tit-for-tat exchanges with Pakistan.

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The insult that bleeds

If the downing of the Rafales was an insult, the injury hasn’t let up — not because it must, but because India’s persistent denial and deflection keep inviting it. The most recent blow came from The Economist, which detailed an incident Indian authorities still refuse to acknowledge.

On May 7, the London-based publication reported, residents of Akalia Kalan — a village near a northern Indian airbase — were jolted awake by an unfamiliar roar and a series of explosions. A ball of fire streaked across the sky before crashing into a field. The wreckage, unmistakably a fighter jet, killed two villagers. The pilots had ejected and were later found injured in nearby fields.

India has yet to officially confirm the incident — one of several aircraft losses during a brief but intense four-day conflict with Pakistan. While New Delhi disputes Islamabad’s claim of downing six jets — including three French-made Rafales — foreign military observers, The Economist noted, have verified that at least five Indian aircraft were lost. Indian military sources have since quietly conceded losses, though they suggest operational errors, not technological failure, may be to blame.

The implications are far-reaching. According to defence experts, this was the first time advanced Chinese weapons — Pakistan’s J-10 fighters and PL-15 missiles — were deployed against Western and Russian systems.

Early assessments, The Economist reported, pointed to the superiority of Chinese systems — and possible real-time intelligence sharing from Beijing. But the most damning revelation may have come from within -- a leaked recording of India’s defence attaché in Jakarta, Captain Shiv Kumar, aired in June. In it, he admits India’s initial losses were due to political constraints that barred the air force from targeting Pakistani military installations. Only after suffering setbacks, he said, were the rules of engagement expanded.

“The fact that India continues to deflect questions about gains and losses shows there were real issues not only during the operation, but also in its aftermath — where any victorious side would have flaunted its trophies right away. India, however, has been on the back foot ever since,” said Wizarat. “Instead of adding China to the equation, India must fix its own equation,” she concluded.
Completely lopsided deduction of the Chinese active involvement.
This article is trying to obfuscate the difference between “supplying weapons” and “actively participating in a conflict through backdoor”which China did.
When Indian military officer claimed that China was involved, it was not to say that Chinese weapons were used, but to indicate that China was actively taking part by providing ISR support.
These are poles apart with completely different connotations.
 
This article is trying to obfuscate the difference between “supplying weapons” and “actively participating in a conflict through backdoor”which China did
Your ignorance is profound.
  • In the 1971 war Soviet Tu-22 Moss AWACS flown by Soviet crew were actively co- ordinating air strikes on Pakistan's western airfields vectoring in Su-7 deep strike attack bombers
  • The missile attack on Karachi in 1971 by Osa and Komar class missile boats was co-ordinated by Soviet Naval Aviation flying in the Indian Ocean from bases in the Horn of Africa. Missile boats are for coastal defense not open ocean long range strikes, Guidance to the small boats navigating 1000 km of open ocean was by Soviet Navsl Aviation and satellite surveillance.
  • Israeli crew members have been manning Phalcon AWACs coordinating deep strikes inside Pakistan
I suggest you read a little -- books not Whatsapp chats.
 
Simple question: Tell me a "new" territory that has been claimed by this government? I don't recall any so I don't understand what you mean by implementation of "Akhand Bharat" philosophy by the current government.

Kashmir - its very well documented that Maharaja signed the instrument of accession and still Indian leadership agreed to a plebiscite the terms of which are clearly documented. Those terms were never fulfilled - the first part was that Pakistan will vacate the occupied region - which hasn't happened. So blame India all you want but right now if anyone wants a plebiscite, the ball is in Pakistan's court.

Sharing the resolution below

The resolution

The final resolution adopted had two parts. The first part increased the Commission's strength to five members and asked it to proceed to the Indian subcontinent at once to mediate between India and Pakistan. The second part dealt with the Security council's recommendations for restoring peace and conducting a plebiscite. This involved three steps.[4][5]

In the first step, Pakistan was asked to use its "best endeavours" to secure the withdrawal of all tribesmen and Pakistani nationals, putting an end to the fighting in the state.

In the second step, India was asked to "progressively reduce" its forces to the minimum level required for keeping law and order. It laid down principles that India should follow in administering law and order in consultation with the Commission, using local personnel as far as possible.

In the third step, India was asked to ensure that all the major political parties were invited to participate in the state government at the ministerial level, essentially forming a coalition cabinet. India should then appoint a Plebiscite Administrator nominated by the United Nations, who would have a range of powers including powers to deal with the two countries and ensure a free and impartial plebiscite. Measures were to be taken to ensure the return of refugees, the release of all political prisoners, and for political freedom.
The resolution was approved by nine votes against none. The Soviet Union and Ukrainian SSR abstained.[6]
Writing long chat gpt essay won't help.
Everyone knows what's going on in Kashmir... And against the will of majority oft local population. As a native Kashmiri myself I stand witness of everything. There is little difference in occupation and genocidal thoughts/policies between India and her buddy Israel. In recent years it become more obvious and more clearer. And if you are ignorant of these facts and what is motto of RSS which is now ruling party since many many years I cannot make you understand.
And don't talk of what our Maharaja did..... Talk about India what she did.... And shall I remind you about the special status of Kashmir state which was promised to us and stripped back just a few years ago to bring settlers from parts of India?
And don't talk crap to me about Pakistani parts that were forcibly taken by India a few years after partition.
Also don't force me to go into discussion how India encroachs in territories of Bangladesh and China even (though gets bloody nose each time especially from China).
And your dream of taking Pakistan under you is as bright as day light but you are not accepting it while every common bhakrora (which are in hundreds of millions) chant same every day.
In the end i will repeat..... Don't say things about which you are either genuinely or deliberately ignorant. And even if you are sincere in your thoughts your common countrymen and especially leadership don't agree with you.
 
To be honest having studied Second World War, 1965 Pak/Indo war and war of Yon Kippur, it's hard to even hold that much. A few KM as a buffer zone is better and still has the desired effect. 20km is a long way from supply lines.
Pakistan should(if already hasn't done so in the conflicts spanning with India over decades) study what areas are strategically important to take and hold in all sectors...
...not just their importance because of a certain peak's height or something...but also in terms of defensibility of said area...

e.g...if it's just tanks and infantry rolling on plains and capturing it for two months...and then the opponent's air force is able to bomb this not so defensible tract of land and reverse the tide...then all that effort of defending it for those two months...was just a waste of men, resources, time, and the initiative. The same men and resources could've been used elsewhere to invade or reinforce some other sector.
...Pakistan's armed forces need to war game and identify what areas to take and hold...it should be a good mix of taking/holding certain areas and a kind of modern day blitzkrieg to keep the enemy off balance.
 
After 2019 action when Abhinandan was captured, most, if not all members from Pakistan had summarised that it was the last attack ever by India.
Then May 2025 happened in which India lost few fighters. Most members have again summarised that the loss of few fighters has made a debilitating impact on Indian war fighting capabilities. This was a tactical loss of platforms, and this assumption is likely to be proven wrong.

PAF definitely created a nasty surprise, but, considering this loss as having created a deterrent appears overestimated. Most members just start and end with PAF, because that was a sure success and they don’t want to talk about rest of the days. PAF was just one element and the dynamics changed when India changed the tactics and employed right platforms.

I am pretty sure that India would respond with a military action again, if a Pulwama like incident happens. I am not getting into the debate about who carried out the Pulwama attacks and if India has produced any proof or not.

The next one is likely to be more comprehensive with likely attack on military installations too. The consequent counterattacks are likely to be of higher intensity and limited usage of Navy as well as surface action can’t be ruled out either.
A bigger war is coming, that I am sure of.
Anyone who just assumes anything like that...isn't really thinking of all possibilities...
...and when it comes to war one must think of all possibilities.

Idk who "all these Pakistanis" are that u r referring to...but I certainly never thought that India wouldn't attack ever again.
Even the war to end all wars...didn't end war.
India would attack every time it thinks(mistakenly) that it can arm twist Pakistan by force...
...it's this delusion that holds the potential of one day escalating the conflict to the point of crossing nuclear threshold...whether by mistake(either India or Pak assume that the incoming missiles are nuclear even if they have conventional payload) or Pakistan's conventional methods run out and MAD occurs.
 
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