Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

side-winder said:
You have used image of Jacobabad Hangar. Not that it matters - Bholari hangar is roughly same size as Jacobabad.

However, i disagree with your distance analysis. Pls refer below image :

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P.S i do have an idea about the actual damage which of course i won't mention here. But yeah it's not minor to be dismissed as repairable in days. Just replying for the sake of some fun.
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But it was repairable. And aircraft would be back in service

Unlike those aircraft of IAF at Bhatinda, Akhnoor, Ramban and Pampore
 
Areesh said:
Rahul Gandhi confirms India lost five aircraft at least

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A BAD DAY FOR RESIDENT BHAKTS.
 
Vkdindian1 said:
Why are you hurt? What is wrong in the post?

If the hurt is due to Indian government not accepting the exact losses then I can’t help.
I assume that 4 fighters were lost. What type? Don’t know.
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Well THATS an improvement ! A change from the narrative that numbers are not important.
So let's go by your honorable defense minister's plea:
"Ask how many Pakistani planes were shot down by the Indian Air Force. "
So could you answer the question?
Number, type, location, date and time and "social media " pictures of the wreckage?
I am sure your defense minister will be more than happy with your information.
To keep you from diverting the Indian Defence Minister asked about planes.
Show CLEAR satellite pictures of PLANES destroyed as the picture of Russian planes destroyed by Ukraine below.

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side-winder said:
You have used image of Jacobabad Hangar. Not that it matters - Bholari hangar is roughly same size as Jacobabad.

However, i disagree with your distance analysis. Pls refer below image :

View attachment 137860

P.S i do have an idea about the actual damage which of course i won't mention here. But yeah it's not minor to be dismissed as repairable in days. Just replying for the sake of some fun.
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My bad. Apologies for wrong image. Since the hangar size is similar the estimation remains same.

I disagree with your image, since it shows aircraft parked with its parts touching the sides. It is likely to be parked with a clearance of few meters from both the sides. 2-3 m is likely to be the least distance. Moreover, the distance of 30 m calculated by you is for the centre of the fuselage.

IMG_3525.jpegEven if this distance is increased from 8m to 15m, the blast from a supersonic missile is likely to be huge. The hangar sides are seen to be blown away. How the aircraft remained intact remains a mystery.
 
Vkdindian1 said:
The blast impact and the images showing the sidewalls blown away indicate otherwise.
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You obviously have never talked to an explosives expert. Do you realise things such as an open door can funnel the impact of the blast elsewhere, because it's the path of least resistance.
Explosions release energy unevenly, depending on:
  • Shape and position of the explosive
  • Surrounding environment (walls, objects)
The missile would be travelling in a downward trajectory and anything beneath would be destroyed, not something that was parked a fair distance away. Also with blasts in confined space The initial blast expands rapidly but in the immediate vicinity, some areas may form “blast shadows” where overpressure is reduced, especially right behind large objects, which are plenty in something like an aircraft hanger, not just planes.

Do you know people have sat next to suicide bombers on trains and survived, yet people several meters away died depending on where sat.
 
Waz said:
You obviously have never talked to an explosives expert. Do you realise things such as an open door can funnel the impact of the blast elsewhere, because it's the path of least resistance.
Explosions release energy unevenly, depending on:
  • Shape and position of the explosive
  • Surrounding environment (walls, objects)
The missile would be travelling in a downward trajectory and anything beneath would be destroyed, not something that was parked a fair distance away. Also with blasts in confined space The initial blast expands rapidly but in the immediate vicinity, some areas may form “blast shadows” where overpressure is reduced, especially right behind large objects, which are plenty in something like an aircraft hanger, not just planes.

Do you know people have sat next to suicide bombers on trains and survived, yet people several meters away died depending on where sat.
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You are right in stating that I am no explosives expert and neither I have spoken to one.

All that science is fine. What I know is that the blast that blew away the hangar walls and doors with few of them lying 15-20m away, the pressure created was huge. How come these pressure waves just left the aircraft alone but blew away everything else?

Blast shadow towards the entire aircraft of that size doesn’t sound plausible.
 
Vkdindian1 said:
My bad. Apologies for wrong image. Since the hangar size is similar the estimation remains same.

I disagree with your image, since it shows aircraft parked with its parts touching the sides. It is likely to be parked with a clearance of few meters from both the sides. 2-3 m is likely to be the least distance. Moreover, the distance of 30 m calculated by you is for the centre of the fuselage.

View attachment 137862Even if this distance is increased from 8m to 15m, the blast from a supersonic missile is likely to be huge. The hangar sides are seen to be blown away. How the aircraft remained intact remains a mystery.
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Even with adding the margin of 2-3 meters. The distance turns out to be 20-25 meters (depending on actual entry point of missile). Pls note that the vital part is basically the radar system which is mounted on center of fuselage and not on front.

However, like i have mentioned - i do have an idea about the actual damage and im not saying you are entirely wrong here.
 
Vkdindian1 said:
You are right in stating that I am no explosives expert and neither I have spoken to one.

All that science is fine. What I know is that the blast that blew away the hangar walls and doors with few of them lying 15-20m away, the pressure created was huge. How come these pressure waves just left the aircraft alone but blew away everything else?

Blast shadow towards the entire aircraft of that size doesn’t sound plausible.
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I just explained to you why this didn't happen and why the damage as light. You always quote the PAF ex-chief he said the same thing.
As for the pressure, there is something called pressure Venting The opening i.e. the hole above allows high-pressure gases to escape, which would have reduced internal overpressure and lessened structural damage, which can be clearly seen with the hanger larger intact and not damaged. You then have the issue of directional Blast: The blast will vent toward the opening, focusing energy outward, which would reduce damage inside but can increase danger outside.
 
Vkdindian1 said:
You are right in stating that I am no explosives expert and neither I have spoken to one.

All that science is fine. What I know is that the blast that blew away the hangar walls and doors with few of them lying 15-20m away, the pressure created was huge. How come these pressure waves just left the aircraft alone but blew away everything else?

Blast shadow towards the entire aircraft of that size doesn’t sound plausible.
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Haven't we heard this argument before in the famous crow killing Balakot strike ?
 
Waz said:
I just explained to you why this didn't happen and why the damage as light. You always quote the PAF ex-chief he said the same thing.
As for the pressure, there is something called pressure Venting The opening i.e. the hole above allows high-pressure gases to escape, which would have reduced internal overpressure and lessened structural damage, which can be clearly seen with the hanger larger intact and not damaged. You then have the issue of directional Blast: The blast will vent toward the opening, focusing energy outward, which would reduce damage inside but can increase danger outside.
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The quote by a retired Air Marshal was long back. I haven’t quoted anyone in the past few posts.
It was my own deduction based on basic measurements and blast impact on the hangar.
The blast impact clearly indicates that all the sides of the hangar have been either blown away or there is a huge bulge.

The intricate science of blast is beyond me. Inspite of assurances and claims by many respected members, the lingering doubt remains.

In any case, I had to say my piece and have got decent responses from you and @side-winder.
I wouldn’t take it any further.
 
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