Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

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Ahh only if they could master the riding a jet as much as they had mastered riding on a bike. One difference though: you can't put a dozen folks inside a Cockpit. These folks move in a bunch leaving little room to maneuver, so they get shot down....

 

[lightning f57]

IAF were actually not allowed to engage the adversary, it is what has been mentioned multiple times, and was the mistake CDS talked about.

This is pure BS. No airforce is not allowed to act in self defence.

I am pretty sure otherwise those EW jamming and PL-15E would've hit more IAF assets in 9th and 10th if that was the case.

IAF carried out strikes out of range from PL15, this was one of the tactical changes.

It's not about what's easy or what's difficult. Hitting a runway from standoff ranges with such accuracy isn't easy either. But an unavailable runway and hangar does give temporary disadvantages. A hangar getting hit easily means remaining at risk of losing multiple assets on ground.

Iran hit Israeli runways thousands of KMs away, with multi layer ADs in the way plus using BMs which don't tend to be very accurate. Though I can grant the fact if you hit hangars with equipmentcl and aircraft on the ground its a successful strike and that serves its purpose. In the India Pak context this is very much expected because the countries are neighbours. Look at the mayhem much weaker Ukraine has caused Russia.

 

[tman786]

Interesting analysis here:

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The comments are very entertaining so be sure to check them out.

 

[Baibers_1260]

First of all, all of these targets are HARAM in Islam with people in it and are against Internaitonal law, UN Charter and even basic human decncy.

Excuse my ignorance. I ned some education here

• Is our foreign and military policy governed by "Islamic Law" ?
• Is our enemy's policy governed by the UN Charter, International Law and "basic human decency " ?
• I agree we can't hit "anything of substance " with our missiles, and we can't retaliate for the killing of our civilians and destruction of our houses of worship. Should we keep begging our enemy to have mercy on us?

Our enemy says they spared us because we begged for mercy. Based on what you said it appears our enemy is correct. Will they continue showing us their "mercy " ?

To survive we must surrender, accept annexation, slavery and dishonor of our women because under International Law, UN Charter and basic human decency we must not fight a hopeless fight like the foolish Gaza people.

 

[Cash gk]

Paris Morgan on Pakistan Air Force

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[Waterboy]

So here’s the reality that India can’t seem to accept: On May 7th, you sent 90+ jets but underestimated our air defense and airforce cause Cheeni mall mentality, we took you by surprise. You lost five jets, one drone, and the status of the fourth Rafale remains disputed. That shifted the entire situation and bruised your ego.

No strike package flies without air-to-air escort. You claimed to target “terrorist infrastructure,” but hit civilian areas instead. Despite overwhelming numbers, the PAF outmaneuvered you, downing five jets without losing a single one. Honestly, we should’ve taken out 20, holding back was a mistake.

When the PAF engaged, your jets fled, without even firing a single BVR. You grounded your air force for two days.

By May 10th, the Indian Air Force was flying 200 kilometers away from the border, well beyond the range of any Pakistan ground-based air defense system and PAF PL-15 missiles. You relied on ground defenses near the border to deter our jets, then resorted to firing standoff munitions and cruise missiles from a safe distance, including long-range BrahMos and SCALP missiles deep into our territory, something no air force could realistically intercept. Even Ukraine struggles to down missiles, so Pakistan is no exception. The fact that you had to resort to firing missiles tells us a lot about the state of your air force

Pakistan only began expanding its GBAD network in 2021. Coverage was limited, with few LOMADs, sparse HIMADS, and no effective counter to weapons like BrahMos. Yet even with these gaps, the IAF failed to achieve any lasting effect.

An Erieye hangar was hit and the plane damaged, which Oscar and others have confirmed, and it’s being repaired. Beyond that, it was just another overhyped, jingoistic show for domestic audiences.

 

[TopGun786]

So what do you expect to see? A fully intact SU30 from a shot down wreckage? Every wreckage is different, some can easily to identified and some leave behind small footprint. The evidence from Akhnoor wreckage all points to SU30 shot down. You guys are just in denial. Yes Su30 is a huge aircraft but dont forget that if an aircraft is shot down at high altitude, by the time it hits the ground the aircraft is severely burnt plus in su30 case it was shot down around 2am and the below video shows that the wreckage was still on fire in the morning. So not much will be left from 4 to 6 hours of burning wreckage.

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The two metal beams sticking out from the wreckage belongs to Su30 frame structure. Not a drone tail boom. Also, note the landing gear wheels which is too large to belong to a drone.
And then lets not kid ourself, the entire village saw two pilots land with a parachutes and were taken away by military ambulance.
Not a testimony of one or two people but 50 plus.

And lets not forget, there was heavy presence of Indian police at the crash site indicating that something high value asset was being protected.
And oh, my personal favorite evidence is the presence of IAF SU30 pilot in orange uniform.

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And as for satellite images. Indian military did not use their own satellites but the one that is available in public domain. Not all ammunition can be clearly seen via satellite imagery because TNT usage will matter the most. For example, India used cruise missile on a runway so since it uses high TNT the creator will be clearly visible. In Pakistan's case, the CM400 that was used to destory S400 radar carried lower TNT and most probably FRAGMENT BLAST warhead was used to achive high probability kill.

Bro you are expecting honesty and self esteem from a bakhtora.
Even if you bring a cow and put it right in front of their eyes they will say there is nothing they can see.
These are creatures with IQ levels in single digits. They must be banned from this forum as they waste too much space and time here but admins are too generous.

 

[Maarkhoor]

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[TopGun786]

The Indian military would think otherwise, especially after its LoC positions were subjected to 20 days' worth of artillery fire in 100 hours.

Yes.... It is estimated that Pakistan army smoked Indian posts with some 12,000-20,000 shells alone only. No wonder Indians came forward with white flags in many cases.
We used our bottom tier Fatah-1 rockets and didn't even used our advanced missiles and yet India ran to USA for ceasefire.
Next time I believe insha Allah our military will not have any restraint policy.

 

[TopGun786]

Counter question, why are there no Astra/MICA/Derby BVR wreckages in pakistan? IAF had restrictions to not engage any adversary military assets and hence no SEAD/DEAD ops or engaging of PAF aircrafts. Even in press release it was mentioned no pakistani military assets were engaged while PAF was well prepared for two weeks, the "mistake" CDS was talking about.

Had there been an air battle I am sure there would've been multiple Indian BVRs ending up in pakistan.


Iran hitting Israeli bases is as useless as pakistan hitting a base in andamans with a shaheen. Iran isn't very close sharing border with israel and doesn't have an airforce which can take advantage of enemy's cratered runway and launch massive attacks. While a hit on PAF's runways and hangars would create immediate disadvantages in front of the adversary unless repaired.

So PAF is lying by saying Su-30 crashed near Srinagar? I mean random videos ain't an evidence. Especially from a suspended account.

You are loosing your self respect now (if you have any). Just clutching at straws.
Better you accept loses and move forward.
Your nonsense arguments are not helping you at all.

 

[TopGun786]

MiG-21 is outdated, serving only to maintain numbers.

Everyone knows that.
Again point is why many Indians believe that mig21 shot a PAF F-16 in 2019 when all the four missiles it carry were still attached to its wreckage and not resting in a PAF museum for anyone to watch and see?
Abhi-none-done was the pilot and apparently only Indian who never claimed he shot down a F-16 and yet every Indian forcibly credited him with that. I have heard the guy have some self respect (I respect him also) so these claims made him feeling guilty and now he is seeking help from rehab center due to mental trauma.

 

[Maarkhoor]

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[Corax]

I'm curious which tech PAF used to decrypt a military grade SDR within no time. Rest are assumptions of EW jamming causing loss of situational awareness. IAF were actually not allowed to engage the adversary, it is what has been mentioned multiple times, and was the mistake CDS talked about. SEAD/DEAD is important for ground attacks if not air combat. No BVR missile or long range SAM has been recovered on pakistani side fired by IAF.

I am pretty sure otherwise those EW jamming and PL-15E would've hit more IAF assets in 9th and 10th if that was the case.


It's not about what's easy or what's difficult. Hitting a runway from standoff ranges with such accuracy isn't easy either. But an unavailable runway and hangar does give temporary disadvantages. A hangar getting hit easily means remaining at risk of losing multiple assets on ground.

Yeah mate PAF has EW wunderwaffes that can blind all IAF assets, except on 10th night and day... Pretty sure IAF didn't even engage PAF as that wasn't even the objective. Their objective was to hit muridke and bahawalpur and they succeeded with some losses. "Hacking comms" yeah sure maybe. But the official stance is, no pakistani assets were targetted by IAF.

Are you like 15 years old or something? Why did you send over 70 fighters to attack a few mosques on 7 May? You could have done the same thing you did on the 10th, fire a few brahmis and alcm from over 180km away. You were then grounded for 2 days, why? Because you had no answer to the PAFs response on 7 May. You are now forced to keep at least 180km from the border. You didn't engage the PAF, because you had no idea your fighters were being targeted and engaged. Even your own CDs said the same thing, your hindutva cow dung eating BJP leader even said you lost 5 fighters. Prepubescent tunnis like you can hide in your mum's basement, but in defence and strategic circles, the world knows what happened. Trust me little boy, your IAF had its ass handed to it on a plate.

 

[flyingorca]

While PAF claims it crashed near srinagar while akhnoor was a drone which I've been saying.
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Did it ever ring to your head that it could be a typo? Did you ever asked yourself what could have startled 100s of villagers of akhnoor 2:00am? Did you ever think of why all eye witnesses mentioned seeing parachutes and two pilots? Does Indian drones have cockpits for 2 pilots?
And let me know why 2 IAF officers including SU30 mki pilot in orange uniform doing at a "drone" crash site?
Dont run away from these questions like BJP runs away from "Kitnay vemaan giray"?

 

[Maarkhoor]

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