Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

FUB said:
You are just rambling on. First, you need to understand that the Jews hate Christians. In the talmud ( you can hear it from their rabbis online), they say Mary was a whore and Jesus was a sorcerer who is in hell boiling in human shit. What does Islam say about Jesus? This goes back to the Romans. Go and read the Arch of Titus about the destruction of the Second Temple. The Germans did not lose all the wars. Read the history of Germanic tribes. When the Jews project the star of satan on the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin, it is big Fu to the Germans and the Roman Empire. They are saying you are conquered.
Muslims worldwide are not much to speak of. You are talking about nations that only share the same religion and not much else. The conflict in the Middle East today is far from religious. You have an Ethno-Fascist- Apartheid state that is defeating all of its enemies through a captured empire. The empire is fighting all of its wars.

If you are going to kill millions of people and plunder their wealth, you have to project them as sub-humans. How do you do that? You create ISIS and HTS and the rest. They are no different than the Mexican cartels.
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EU institutions are an architectural copy of the Babylon’s building... And Babylon is their(zionistic) bi.ch, according to interpretations of their holy books in their way... And Europe, honest as it is, was not only metaphorical lord of its Jewish slaves during some periods of history... "Babylonian whore" is the second name of Europe for evangelical sects also...

But the Vatican is defeated and politically impotent anymore, of course, there are plenty of sinful preachers Catholics... But while stories about Vatican conspiracy are a daily routine, there is almost nothing for evangelical maniacs in the robes, and so much material for such articles is there... I am not defending the Vatican, but these ones are at least nothing better than their main holy competitors...
 
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ShapurII said:
Nobody clamed a 99% interception rate. That's a strawman fallacy.
If you are talking about me, I have said multiple times that based on Israeli data, the interception rate was about 44%. They try to hide the real interception rate by claiming that they didn't try to stop the missiles that weren't headed for civilian areas, but that's a lie.


What it has achieved is yet to be determined, but the evidence suggests that they set back Iran's nuclear program by years. As far as the civilian nuclear program on the ground is concerned, it has been obliterated.
The only remaining question is the +400kg of HEU remaining in Iran. And the regime is already in talks with Europe over that, due to be held in Istanbul tomorrow.


1) Not anymore. The IAEA experts are returning to Iran and the regime is in talks with the Europeans now. First session to be held tomorrow at the Iranian consulate in Istanbul.
2) The knowledge is useless without proper equipment and infrastructure.
3) They will find out soon, it seems. The regime is eager to continue "diplomacy", i.e. surrender.
4) No, that's a blatant lie. Our civilian nuclear infrastructure has been obliterated. If Iran does not have covert facilities, it's over for Iran's nuclear program.
5) No, Iran proved that it cannot establish deterrence times and times again. Ain Al-Assad, TP1, TP2 and now TP3. If Iran proved anything, it's that it cannot establish deterrence.
6) Not if ICAC has been damaged.


It is a result of mismanagement. Iran's precipitation average is still twice that of Egypt, yet Cairo doesn't have water and power cuts like we do now. Iran's water crisis is a result of decades of mismanagement and wrong policies in agriculture and population planning.


The Americans can move to a cheaper country because of the strength of the US dollar and many are doing so. Iranians cannot do that as Iranian currency is worthless these days.

Do you realize that the government, as we speak, is discussing coupons for food in Iran for the first 7 deciles of the society? The reason that they are not doing so is monetary issues and lack of funds.

Nationwide average of minimum salary in the US is $11.80 per hour. One kilogram of beef in the US is at most $23. This is as high as it goes, while some cuts are even lower than that at around $11. That's about 2 hours of minimum wage at the worst case scenario.
One kilogram of cheapest beef in Iran is 10-11 hours of minimum wage. Do you see the difference?


Agreed. So, why does the regime continue this needless policy? It seems that both of us agree that it is not our responsibility to fight this war for the Palestinians.


China never asked for this, to be honest. China is not interested in a clash with the US, at least at this point, the Ayatollahs are.


We are back to the time of the Qajar era. I will reiterate what I have said times and times again here. The conservative party is full of Russian shills, and the reformist party is full of Western-backed shills. We do not have independents in Iran anymore.
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I hear ya, but to their defense they're playing the only card they have, they need to start talking, the economy has tanked. (I don't want to pile on, after you piled on them)....but, I said the same kind of things a few years back. I said the only job our politicians have is to lift the sanctions. The message was as clear then as it is now....YOU HAVE TO GET THE SANCTIONS LIFTED. Why did it take this long for them to wake and really move the needle on negotiations?.....you said it, because they're incompetent. Them and their fanboys believed the lies that we can wage war against the Yankee war machine and come out on top....now the nuclear program is gone! So, what cards are you holding now? If the IDF has control over the skies of Tehran...what cards are you holding now? Where are all the true believers that told us....we would wipe them out in a week, we don't need an air force, we can build the planes ourselves? We need to hold these people to account, it's one thing to get sanctioned to death due to bad policy, it's another thing, to lose Syria, Hezbollah, all of the leadership in both the nuke field and our military in a few hours....where is the accountability? Is this an elected government of a free people, or someone's family land? If this was Japan the PM or the top leader of the government would be coming out on tv to apologize and beg the people for forgiveness, before resigning. I think we need a referendum on a new constitution...we need a new style government....because this system breeds incompetence.
 
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See....this guy should be asked by the press to explain....then point by point he should be debunked. I'm not saying Iran didn't do a commendable job after the horrific attack that was sprung on them....I'm saying this kind of talk lends to complacency....the same complacency that caught us without proper planning, intel, equipment to fend off the attack.
 
They need a deflection. Get ready for round two . Any day now we gotta start to hear about hidden facilities.
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kastor ville said:
I hear ya, but to their defense they're playing the only card they have, they need to start talking, the economy has tanked. (I don't want to pile on, after you piled on them)....but, I said the same kind of things a few years back. I said the only job our politicians have is to lift the sanctions. The message was as clear then as it is now....YOU HAVE TO GET THE SANCTIONS LIFTED. Why did it take this long for them to wake and really move the needle on negotiations?.....you said it, because they're incompetent. Them and their fanboys believed the lies that we can wage war against the Yankee war machine and come out on top....now the nuclear program is gone! So, what cards are you holding now? If the IDF has control over the skies of Tehran...what cards are you holding now? Where are all the true believers that told us....we would wipe them out in a week, we don't need an air force, we can build the planes ourselves? We need to hold these people to account, it's one thing to get sanctioned to death due to bad policy, it's another thing, to lose Syria, Hezbollah, all of the leadership in both the nuke field and our military in a few hours....where is the accountability? Is this an elected government of a free people, or someone's family land? If this was Japan the PM or the top leader of the government would be coming out on tv to apologize and beg the people for forgiveness, before resigning. I think we need a referendum on a new constitution...we need a new style government....because this system breeds incompetence.
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You cannot hold them accountable because the country is infiltrated from top to bottom.
We're back to the era of Qajar where half of our politicians are backed by the West, while the other half are backed by Russia, and to a lesser extent China.

The system is past the point of no return. One could hope for some change after the war, but nearly 6 weeks after the war, nothing has changed for the better. The regime looks even more desperate for surrender than before. I highly doubt that these fools would be able to achieve nuclear deterrence at this point. Things are getting worse and intolerable for people every week.

The unity that was created after Israel attacked Iran is disappearing slowly and is replaced by even more discord among people, as they see that the leadership has no strategy for getting out of this. Now even the hardcore supporters of the regime feel disappointed and humiliated.

A very dark future is ahead of Iran, unfortunately. And only some miracle can save Iran from what is awaiting us at this point, if you believe miracles exist.
 
vizier said:
Exoatmospheric trajectory would be more or less the same with some tweaks. The exo trajectory can be adjusted to be similar to khorramsahr ballistic missile. israeli use mostly exo interceptors. Good luck with detecting which one is real after they enter atmosphere.
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No need for luck.

The point of a decoy is to seduce a defender that has automatic response. The decoy is on a different flight path. I learned this when I was active duty on my first assignment: F-111. Dispensing chaff/flares usually works because the missile have automatic responses. Chaffs/flares have different flight paths than the airplane that dispensed them.

But here is the problem...

An airplane can carry dozens of chaff/flares that can saturate the appropriate sensor. The problem for me is WHEN to punch out chaffs/flares. If I dispense too late, the missile will have locks on me no matter the chaffs/flares. If I dispense too early, the chaffs/flares will be too spread out and the missile will be able to distinguish me out via different flight behaviors. This is not Top Gun: Maverick. Do understand that I speak in general terms due to security reasons. But am sure you are smart enough to get the point.

A ballistic missile can carry how many decoys? But if the decoy(s) are going to the same target, then why bother being decoys?
 
ShapurII said:
You cannot hold them accountable because the country is infiltrated from top to bottom.
We're back to the era of Qajar where half of our politicians are backed by the West, while the other half are backed by Russia, and to a lesser extent China.

The system is past the point of no return. One could hope for some change after the war, but nearly 6 weeks after the war, nothing has changed for the better. The regime looks even more desperate for surrender than before. I highly doubt that these fools would be able to achieve nuclear deterrence at this point. Things are getting worse and intolerable for people every week.

The unity that was created after Israel attacked Iran is disappearing slowly and is being replaced by even more discord among people, as they see that the leadership has no strategy for getting out of this. Now even the hardcore supporters of the regime feel disappointed and humiliated.

A very dark future is ahead of Iran, unfortunately. And only some miracle can save Iran from what is awaiting us at this point, if you believe miracles exist.
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The Leader is not far from 90 years of age, no one will risk internal turbulence now for something that is naturally coming...

The system is already changed because there is no single candidate for the next Leader, I mean real one, with charisma, popularity, influence... The martyred president Raisi was the last material for such profiling, now it is too late for the creation of the new one...

Some of the institutions will have to take responsibility for the nation, if nothing then new elections and parliament that will be under the people's pressure and will be a legitimate factor in that period...

This is nothing unseen or without precedent, but it is important to preserve some parts of national doctrine and philosophy during these times...my concrete point here is something like redefining the borderlines now, when the nation is focused on the zionistic aggression, making corrections that could have unforeseen consequences for national interest in the future...

Iran is keeping the key for the communication room between Turkey and the rest of Turkistan, as they call it, and key corridors for Azerbaijan in particular... giving the key Iran will self-sabotage the entire system of the balance of the northern borderlands and leverage for Turkey... They have their leverage for Iran, of course... That's why keeping the balance is so important...

And Iranians will get it when it is done and finished...(this is just worst-case scenario, not factual situation)...

This is just my opinion, but playing games with northern corridors is an unwise game for Iran... but that's just IMHO..
 
vmro said:
The Leader is not far from 90 years of age, no one will risk internal turbulence now for something that is naturally coming...

The system is already changed because there is no single candidate for the next Leader, I mean real one, with charisma, popularity, influence... The martyred president Raisi was the last material for such profiling, now it is too late for the creation of the new one...

Some of the institutions will have to take responsibility for the nation, if nothing then new elections and parliament that will be under the people's pressure and will be a legitimate factor in that period...

This is nothing unseen or without precedent, but it is important to preserve some parts of national doctrine and philosophy during these times...my concrete point here is something like redefining the borderlines now, when the nation is focused on the zionistic aggression, making corrections that could have unforeseen consequences for national interest in the future...

Iran is keeping the key for the communication room between Turkey and the rest of Turkistan, as they call it, and key corridors for Azerbaijan in particular... giving the key Iran will self-sabotage the entire system of the balance of the northern borderlands and leverage for Turkey... They have their leverage for Iran, of course... That's why keeping the balance is so important...

And Iranians will get it when it is done and finished...

This is just my opinion, but playing games with northern corridors is an unwise game for Iran... but that's just IMHO..
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He needs to resign and greenlight fundamental changes to the constitution. He has led Iran to abyss.

He should learn from Mozaffar Eddin Shah of Qajar. At least, he signed the decree for constitutional monarchy before his death, and left a good legacy after his death.
 
gambit said:
No need for luck.

The point of a decoy is to seduce a defender that has automatic response. The decoy is on a different flight path. I learned this when I was active duty on my first assignment: F-111. Dispensing chaff/flares usually works because the missile have automatic responses. Chaffs/flares have different flight paths than the airplane that dispensed them.

But here is the problem...

An airplane can carry dozens of chaff/flares that can saturate the appropriate sensor. The problem for me is WHEN to punch out chaffs/flares. If I dispense too late, the missile will have locks on me no matter the chaffs/flares. If I dispense too early, the chaffs/flares will be too spread out and the missile will be able to distinguish me out via different flight behaviors. This is not Top Gun: Maverick. Do understand that I speak in general terms due to security reasons. But am sure you are smart enough to get the point.

A ballistic missile can carry how many decoys? But if the decoy(s) are going to the same target, then why bother being decoys?
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If western bases were operating last time shahab 3 missiles will be used with longer range khorramsahr-emad etc. variants with real warheads on the same target saturating the israeli defenses which was the optimal scenario. The point I wanted to make is that if next time western bases are made inoperable again only low number of advanced ballistic missiles will remain to be launched from eastern Iran towards israel. If some portion of old missiles like 400-500+ of old shahab 3 can be converted to decoy bms in case western missile bases are unreachable the decoy shahab missiles can be launched with new missiles saturating the israeli defenses.

If the apogee-range-main exo atmospheric trajectory of shahab 3 is made similar to khorramsahr for example by reducing warhead weight increasing fuel and minor low cost tweaks then instead of being idle when western missile bases are inoperable they can be used from eastern-central ballistic missile bases as longer ranged decoys to saturate enemy defenses. Ofcourse by analysis of the flight path eventually the decoys can be distinguished from the real ones but unlike shooting down mach 1+ planes they will have very littile reaction time to shoot down the incoming hypersonic warheads successfully. Only if the trajectory is totally different than the new ballistic missiles throughout most of its flight time the missile defense batteries can ignore them on time. Other bm decoy measures like balloons etc have drawbacks like thaad interceptor has infrared scan to filter out the decoys.
 
ShapurII said:
He needs to resign and greenlight fundamental changes to the constitution. He has led Iran to abyss.

He should learn from Mozaffar Eddin Shah of Qajar. At least, he signed the decree for constitutional monarchy before his death, and left a good legacy after his death.
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Yes, I cannot predict whether the Leader will resign, but regardless, his departure will create a political opening. To clarify, there is no certainty about what will follow, but it is likely that a new figure will emerge—someone who embodies a distinctly Persian vision `man of the hour`, capable of capturing public attention with compelling ideas, realistic strategies, and a strong, competitive presence. Perhaps this individual could even "conquer" the elected parliament and the nation itself through a bold and consistent persona.

In the meantime, I sense that there may be a subtle agenda at play, creating internal tensions in Iran—particularly between Persians and Azeris or something. The saying goes, "When in Rome, behave like a Roman." In Iran, above all else, everyone must first and foremost be Iranian, with ethnic identities such as Persian or Azeri or anything serving as secondary aspects of identity. I hope Iran is a mature enough nation to navigate these challenges without significant problems.
 
vmro said:
Yes, I cannot predict whether the Leader will resign, but regardless, his departure will create a political opening. To clarify, there is no certainty about what will follow, but it is likely that a new figure will emerge—someone who embodies a distinctly Persian vision `man of the hour`, capable of capturing public attention with compelling ideas, realistic strategies, and a strong, competitive presence. Perhaps this individual could even "conquer" the elected parliament and the nation itself through a bold and consistent persona.

In the meantime, I sense that there may be a subtle agenda at play, creating internal tensions in Iran—particularly between Persians and Azeris or something. The saying goes, "When in Rome, behave like a Roman." In Iran, above all else, everyone must first and foremost be Iranian, with ethnic identities such as Persian or Azeri or anything serving as secondary aspects of identity. I hope Iran is a mature enough nation to navigate these challenges without significant problems.
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I'm starting to believe that the US, and the Zionist cabal, will finally get the new Middle East they so badly want and Iran will be one of the first states to fall in this plot, after Syria and Iraq, of course.
 
Take a wild guess , besides Aliyev , what are the chances that Erdegon helped the Zionists .
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