Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Baibers_1260]

انا للہ و انا الیہ راجعون
My sincere condolences on the death of logic, reasoning, and wisdom of DEEN.

Totally in agreement with you ,and once again am deeply grateful for the education
Here is some attempted logic:
Post-Operation Sindoor, India knows our our air defense assets are already degraded and indefensible, so India will destroy us in the next war.
Breaking a few stone idols though inconsequential militarily, would be a huge headline grabber, and stuff historians would pen into their history books for future generations to read.

Responding to enemy aggression by going for military targets and aircraft achieved nothing.
instead targeting places of worship which might have been easier targets
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A dozen small temples along the line of control in Indian Occupied Kashmir were targeted and demolished with long range 155 mm artillery fire. Their towers and locations on peaks were used as counter-battery detection sensors and observation points . About 20 Hindus who chose to remain there were killed, but these are small targets that didn't grab the headlines, and India doesn't care about its border population anyway.
In a full fledged war that is to come, a war when Pakistan passes into the history books, I am sure our GHQ has designated some resources to take out the spectacular temples. That will be for the history books to be written by whoever survives
It's a religious war, and it is not about terrorism, territory, or water resources.
Our places of worship have been struck as legitimate targets, so the enemy's places of worship are legitimate targets too.

Regards

 

[lightning f57]

Yes it showed precise attack capability of IAF. One of the few impressive hits by IAF itself on 10th (rest majority being SSMs with over 50-60% interceptions including 100% for Rafiqui). However, in terms of monetary value im sure the missile itself cost more than what those 2 empty trailers did. But yeah impressive hit - doesn't matter even if did from extreme stand off range.

I agree one can not ignore India has a supersonic missile which can accurately strike its target. Accepting and working on counters/mitigating options helps to be prepared for the next round.

 

[lightning f57]

I'm getting seriously curious about the claims that every hangar hit or every trailer struck by the IAF was already emptied. The rest of the world stores aircraft in hangars, and command-and-control trailers usually come fully equipped — yet here, everything seems to have been cleared out. Did the PAF get some scoop about the impending attacks and evacuate in time? Or were those hangars hiding deeper secrets that is taboo to be discussed ?

Hangars and hardened shelters serve different purposes. If an aircraft is undergoing maintenance it will be under a hangar. Hardened shelters are built to absorb air strikes to a degree. So PAF may have moved most of their aircraft out of the hangars knowing they are sitting ducks otherwise.

 

[Cash gk]

Have you seen this one guys?

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[Yasser76]

When even Asif calls you a joke you know things are bad.....

Isolated Modi has become a 'global joke', says Khawaja Asif

Isolated Modi has become a 'global joke', says Khawaja Asif

Modi globally isolated, no one greets him: Khawaja Asif.Defence czar says Modi embarrassed in Indian ParliamentModi must accept aircraft losses now.Defence Minister Khawaja Asif on Wednesday launched a fierce attack on Narendra Modi,...

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[Baibers_1260]

A slightly dated report from the The US Sun but still interesting
I think the figure of 125 million is an understatement.

INDIA and Pakistan are being urged to step back from armageddon as a nuclear war between the two rivals could kill 125million people.
By James Halpin, Foreign News Reporter

The fighting neighbours traded rocket and artillery attacks in an overnight blitz leaving dozens dead and fears of all-out conflict.

Now, fears are abound that fighting could escalate to the use of nuclear weapons and kill tens of millions.

Peace campaigners like the International Campaign to Abolish Nuclear Weapons are "gravely concerned" and have called for the two sides to step back from the brink.

And Colonel Philip Ingram, a former British Army commander, said the West will be particularly nervous about a nuclear conflict.

Ingram told The Sun: "Western intelligence in particular will be focused on the readiness and the outloading of nuclear stocks inside both Pakistan and India and monitoring what's happening to them very closely indeed.

"The worrying thing about these two nations is that the tensions are very real.

"The nuclear weapons are not there to protect them against attack from China or Russia or anyone else. It's focused purely on each other."

Ingram said escalation to using nuclear weapons could happen rapidly and powers like the US would step in to try and prevent their use.

He said: "The US Secretary of State, flying into India and Pakistan, would carry out shuttle diplomacy between the two."

But that might not be enough to overcome the animosity between the two enemies and their desire to escalate the conflict.

Xiaodon Liang, a Senior Policy Analyst, Nuclear Weapons Policy and Disarmament, at Arms Control Association also said the primary concern should be the possibility of a battlefield use escalating to "strategic nuclear exchanges".

Liang said: "Pakistan has made very clear that it will use nuclear weapons to prevent a full-scale Indian invasion of its territory, and the potential for uncontrollable escalation is part of what makes every crisis between India and Pakistan particularly dangerous."

 

[Baibers_1260]

A bit of history for context only :
India has lost larger numbers of aircraft in a single day to Pakistan . The difference is that India admitted the losses.

The Indian Air Force (IAF)'s largest single-day loss of aircraft in the 1965 war was on September 6th, during Pakistan's preemptive strikes against Indian airfields, according to Wikipedia. The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) targeted Pathankot, Adampur, and Halwara airfields. At Pathankot, the IAF lost almost ten aircraft on the ground. The attacks on Adampur and Halwara were less successful, but the IAF still suffered losses in air combat.

Don't know if other PDF members can expand on this and make a comparison with earlier single day or event dogfights.
@Panzserkiel @TAC

 

[Maarkhoor]

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[NationalistPKDude132]

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isnt it well known it was BS 001 BS022 BS 023 and BS 027 or was it BS 021

 

[falcon34]

Since they were at the base, they are unlikely to be in use when attacked. Since, the primary purpose of these was for dispersed state. @side-winder has touched upon this aspect in his post above.

Operationally, this attack may not have had any impact on PAF capability. But, it was still a high value assest and showed precise attack capability of IAF.

I don't think a trailer is that pricey or a high value target,
Surely if they were not operational no equipment would be installed on them. But the indians knew about it.

 

[flyingorca]

BMs aren't precision weapons

You probably clicked on the link, looked at satalitte pictures and came to conclusion nahhh Baliztik mazile haj no precision saaaarrr.
Ask your Israeli friends why they aborted their regime plan and asked US for cease fire.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Have you seen this one guys?

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the joke is on us for believing this is 'abnormal' behavior.
In reality, that man and his real-life accomplices, have gained everything by maligning others and as such these people thrive on spite.

How dubious are the societies that haven chosen to pet shameless creatures. Truly, Western civilization has become a charade of facades.

I may not have believed this, 15 years back!

 

[Yasser76]

the joke is on us for believing this is 'abnormal' behavior.
In reality, that man and his real-life accomplices, have gained everything by maligning others and as such these people thrive on spite.

How dubious are the societies that haven chosen to pet shameless creatures. Truly, Western civilization has become a charade of facades.

I may not have believed this, 15 years back!

Bet that was @BonPlan after he got banned....

 

[gamaji]

Operation in Bajaur and Tirah valley and its links with Baku, Mossad, and RAW. Also, the mysterious link of 5th of August.

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[Baibers_1260]

I agree one can not ignore India has a supersonic missile which can accurately strike its target. Accepting and working on counters/mitigating options helps to be prepared for the next round.

Supersonic. cruise missiles are not invincible. Ukraine has all but nullified the Russian Kalibr and Bastion missiles and their derivatives have been successfully rendered irrelevant by Ukraine and Israel using Patriot systems.
Hypersonic missiles such as the Khinzal are far more difficult to intercept but even these have been downed when attacking point defenses. Patriots have come a long way since 1991 Desert storm. Today these systems are vastly improved making defended air space almost impenetrable.

Pakistan would need some good diplomacy to get Patriot missile defence systems which would be far more valuable than F-16s Since Patriot systems are purely defensive there should be no problem getting these. .
@Panzerkiel @TOPGUN