Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[Developereo]

Just like Israel wasn't established 75 years ago, but has been on this land for 3000 years. The only reason Israel is "only 75" years old is because 3000 years ago they didn't have the United Nations or international organizations that could have granted Israel the status of a state.

So I don't take seriously people who start telling me that "Israel has only been on this land for 75 years"... that's just a plain lie.

Readers can decide if you answered the question or evaded it again.

Thank you.

 

[r3alist]

The question here is not just about the Gaza killings but the core conflict itself. As I mentioned, this conflict did not start on October 7th.

When Israel was created, and even before it was officially created, the choice of which people to evict was based on religion, and this choice was made by Israel.

So my question remains. If Israel had said "all vegetarians must leave" or "all classical music lovers must leave", how would it be any different than saying "all non Jews must leave"?

I mean with respect, highlighting hypocrisy, lies and crimes to power rarely ever works, that's because they are powerful and you are not, so it's flogging a dead horse.

The horrors we see in Gaza are not moving the needle in any way, debate also will not, obviously.

This thread I feared would be like an ongoing obituary of Gaza with the occasional venting and hoping, that's why it's relatively quiet but the ground reality is even worse.

 

[Developereo]

I mean with respect, highlighting hypocrisy, lies and crimes to power rarely ever works, that's because they are powerful and you are not, so it's flogging a dead horse.

The horrors we see in Gaza are not moving the needle in any way, debate also will not, obviously.

This thread I feared would be like an ongoing obituary of Gaza with the occasional venting and hoping, that's why it's relatively quiet but the ground reality is even worse.

I don't think too many of us are under the illusion that we can stop the killing. As I mentioned elsewhere, even street protests are mostly useless in terms of changing government policy.

Threads like this are useful for our own awareness and as a record of the ZioNazi crimes. We can't stop them from killing the innocents but they can't stop us from informing the world and from keeping a record of their crimes.

We will remember.
We will not forget their crimes.

 

[Unknowntruth]

No it is not about belief. It is the solid FACT that international community doesn't support your claim about 75 years of Israel occupation on Palestine state nor support the returning the land as per your claim.

There is occupation, your denial is not my problem. You can choose to ignore the continued illegal settlements, continued theft of land, control of Palestinian movement, killing with impunity, harassment, demolish of their homes, illegal settler violence, control of borders, etc

I never said return the land, I said Palestinians have the right to return under international law.

 

[UKBengali]

Maybe, but military alliances won't be based on religion (like you wish) but rather on geography. The same goes for NATO. If your statement were correct Turkey wouldn't be in NATO today because it's a Muslim country. I understand the events well and know what you're trying to say and what you desire most. That the whole world will follow Islam, which will never happen, of course. Thank God (not pun intended).

Besides, you're basically claiming that Persians and Arabs will one day unite. It will be quite some time before that happens. And who says the world will be divided based on religions? What about race? Or something else? What you're talking about is purely and solely your dreams.

Muslims do not care(at least as much) about race like westerners and potentially East Asians do.

As for Arab versus Persian, countries like Indonesia and even BD will rise to become relatively wealthy and influential countries in as little as the next 10-15 years to come. They will help bring the Arabs and Persians together for common goals.

There is no good reason for Iran and the Arabs to not come together against the common Zionist usurper that has colonised Palestine and to push the malign west out of the region.

 

[Get Ya Wig Split]

Muslims do not care(at least as much) about race like westerners and potentially East Asians do.

As for Arab versus Persian, countries like Indonesia and even BD will rise to become relatively wealthy and influential countries in as little as the next 10-15 years to come. They will help bring the Arabs and Persians together for common goals.

There is no good reason for Iran and the Arabs to not come together against the common Zionist usurper that has colonised Palestine and to push the malign west out of the region.

Dream on...

 

[r3alist]

Muslims do not care(at least as much) about race like westerners and potentially East Asians do.

As for Arab versus Persian, countries like Indonesia and even BD will rise to become relatively wealthy and influential countries in as little as the next 10-15 years to come. They will help bring the Arabs and Persians together for common goals.

There is no good reason for Iran and the Arabs to not come together against the common Zionist usurper that has colonised Palestine and to push the malign west out of the region.

You make intelligent contributions,so please don't tell me you plausibly believe this.

I only highlight this to say that a lot of very deep thinking needs to be done if you still think having the most dollars is the way to go , those nations seem to be the worst.

 

[UKBengali]

You make intelligent contributions,so please don't tell me you plausibly believe this.

I only highlight this to say that a lot of very deep thinking needs to be done if you still think having the most dollars is the way to go , those nations seem to be the worst.

You need to have read the bit where I talked about being actually developed in terms of education and industry and representative governments.

Gulf States have none of this.

It is easy to be pessimistic at this time but like I said before the Zionists and wests are lashing out now not out of strength and insecurity and weakness.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

I noticed hardly any discussion on this thread now?no more hoping and believing in white Knight armies to save the day? No more theories about future events?

Dark times ahead.

Israel has not only exposed the Arab states it has also exposed the general inaction of all Muslims, 2 billion.

Ofcourse there is hope if you choose understand the situation and form a strategy. You might find if you start lamenting that's all you will know what to do.

Answer for yourself... I'm everything said isn't it just regurgitated bile...
Who are your black knights and saviors? Do you even seek one or concerned for the oppressed?

It I quite simple... the black knights standing against all odds are Gazans themselves, shouldering the weight of the world. I have said that all along ... but you'd be disappointed in hearing that... in your grand scheme of things ... someone had to show up to save the day. Well, when US shows up with carrier strike groups at the onset to let the nazgul finish its prey.

The only ones exposed are slaves and slave masters!

 

[r3alist]

You need to have read the bit where I talked about being actually developed in terms of education and industry and representative governments.

Gulf States have none of this.

It is easy to be pessimistic at this time but like I said before the Zionists and wests are lashing out now not out of strength and insecurity and weakness.

Answer for yourself... I'm everything said isn't it just regurgitated bile...
Who are your black knights and saviors? Do you even seek one or concerned for the oppressed?

It I quite simple... the black knights standing against all odds are Gazans themselves, shouldering the weight of the world. I have said that all along ... but you'd be disappointed in hearing that... in your grand scheme of things ... someone had to show up to save the day. Well, when US shows up with carrier strike groups at the onset to let the nazgul finish its prey.

The only ones exposed are slaves and slave masters!

I will answer these as one. my comments are actually more directed at those who early on in the conflict insisted on lament mixed with fantasy as something useful, my point being if you are going to expend energy this won't help

You mention lord of the rings, so did I before. all sorts of permutations were being discussed of armies and nations coming to help, all fantasy.

So when the energy for lament runs low, when the fanciful hopes seem too shallow to even mention not much is being said, but hopefully a time to think?


I am not meaning to sound harsh or superior, just stating that every now and again a generation for a community is presented with a challenge to COLLECTIVELY take action with strategy.

Finally, just to throw something or the other out there as a thought, and just so I don't sound too sanctimonious offering no solution I noticed the following...

Starbucks are not doing so well

Biden may lose due to the Muslim vote in swing states

Israeli linked defence operations are being irritated in a few Western countries with protesters

The icj case south Africa raised is applying some marginal pressure


So I dunno, the only discomfort Israel is getting is from individual action, that's maybe just my point, think of Gaza, think of the future ahead.

 

[Meengla]

The courageous stand the Irish have taken, with names like Clare Daly and Mick Wallace becoming legends--has truly unnerved the Israelis. The Irish are Europeans, white, Christians and have a large loyal diaspora (minus the likes of Biden, of course!). So when they speak against Israel, then the Israelis get truly nervous because not only the Israeli 'whiteness' comes into question but also Israelis find their fortress in 'the West' under threat.
Bravo Ireland!

Ireland's hostility towards Israel must be stopped | The Jerusalem Post

MIDDLE ISRAEL: Fed by self-importance, ignorance, and malice, Ireland’s abuse of Israel has gone from tragedy to farce.

www.jpost.com

Ireland's hostility towards Israel must be stopped - opinion​

Fed by self-importance, ignorance, and malice, Ireland’s abuse of Israel has gone from tragedy to farce.​

 

[UKBengali]

The courageous stand the Irish have taken, with names like Clare Daly and Mick Wallace becoming legends--has truly unnerved the Israelis. The Irish are Europeans, white, Christians and have a large loyal diaspora (minus the likes of Biden, of course!). So when they speak against Israel, then the Israelis get truly nervous because not only the Israeli 'whiteness' comes into question but also Israelis find their fortress in 'the West' under threat.
Bravo Ireland!

Ireland's hostility towards Israel must be stopped | The Jerusalem Post

MIDDLE ISRAEL: Fed by self-importance, ignorance, and malice, Ireland’s abuse of Israel has gone from tragedy to farce.

www.jpost.com

Ireland's hostility towards Israel must be stopped - opinion​

Fed by self-importance, ignorance, and malice, Ireland’s abuse of Israel has gone from tragedy to farce.​

Part of Ireland is still occupied by the British to this day and the whole of Ireland was occupied by the British for many centuries.

 

[Falcon29]

In the latest toll...the government media office: 44 martyrs and 80 wounded as a result of the occupation bombing of 9 homes in the Central Governorate in the Gaza Strip.

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[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

I will answer these as one. my comments are actually more directed at those who early on in the conflict insisted on lament mixed with fantasy as something useful, my point being if you are going to expend energy this won't help

You mention lord of the rings, so did I before. all sorts of permutations were being discussed of armies and nations coming to help, all fantasy.

So when the energy for lament runs low, when the fanciful hopes seem too shallow to even mention not much is being said, but hopefully a time to think?


I am not meaning to sound harsh or superior, just stating that every now and again a generation for a community is presented with a challenge to COLLECTIVELY take action with strategy.

Finally, just to throw something or the other out there as a thought, and just so I don't sound too sanctimonious offering no solution I noticed the following...

Starbucks are not doing so well

Biden may lose due to the Muslim vote in swing states

Israeli linked defence operations are being irritated in a few Western countries with protesters

The icj case south Africa raised is applying some marginal pressure


So I dunno, the only discomfort Israel is getting is from individual action, that's maybe just my point, think of Gaza, think of the future ahead.

Individual action is the only answer left, the only ones that can make a conscious choice when the whole paradigm is co-opted... governments and institutions appropriated... running as machines without thought or remorse.

Calling or soliciting on the soulless to act with a conscious is the folly... any deviation thus in projections is not how the machine will respond but if the operator, the human behind, due in part to his emotion, reflection or deference makes a choice inspite of the machine.

The rest is just word play and gymnastics.