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”Through these threats and measures, the West is planting a time bomb under its own relations with India, deliberately demonstrating its unreliability,” he said. “The threats coming from the US certainly do not inspire trust... They only further highlight the unreliability of the US as a partner.”

its reliance on Moscow for oil and gas means its foreign policy decisions will ultimately hinge on energy security.

India, the world’s third-largest oil consumer, imports around 80% of its energy and has never taken part in the Western sanctions on its top supplier, Russia.

Rather than calling unreliable partners, i call the west and USA as selfish players in this game who will sacrifice or ditch anyone.

We shouldn't blame any one. likewise, we should be ready for anything.

Russia is a part of our energy security. Can't risk it for west/USA
 
Your 'socialism' has set you back. Yes, you are far ahead of Pakistan in economy but you still punch way below your potentials. Ask @SoulSpokesman about your 'socialism' up to 1990. And you picked the losing side during the Cold War while Pakistan gained immensely by siding with the Americans.
Anyway, this is not the right thread for that discussion. Plus, I don't like repeating myself too much in general in this forum.

This @sentry is a joker. Don't waste your time.
 
Actually no. India is big enough and important enough to resist being bullied into this or that camp. Before BJP, India's non aligned policy and getting benefit from all quarters was the one thing many Pakistani policymakers admired.

Trump is throwing tantrums because Canada, China and India are pushing back against his trade based bullying. TACO.

India doesn't have a non-aligned policy. Get your facts corrected. India is a country that wants to belong in every bloc.

India is a member of QUAD. India is a member of SCO. India is a member of BRICS. LOL at non-aligned. It is a myth that India is non-aligned.

Also, the reason why Trump is punishing India is because this country plays a duplicitous role. It wants to be in as many camps as possible. Despite when the US provides preferential treatment to Hindustan to remain on US/Western side. Why do you think that Trump is irritated and openly scolding India?
 
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It's only a matter of time before other countries start doing the same.

Only a matter of time? The last time I checked countries were getting in line to get the best possible trade deal with the US. China has already partially signed a deal mate. The US and Chinese officials are on good terms with regards to tarrifs. Get your facts corrected.
 
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If it's either Brics or QUAD. It's BRICS. The QUAD needs India more than India needs the QUAD. More over we are a Junior partner in that group.
My personal preference is to stand with the Global South. The west can decide.
India will not show any loyalty to others. Neither there was duplicity before nor now.
Hope Americans realize that.

You should never lose sight of your geography. Even Marco Rubio, a Neo Con, has said that 'proximity matters' when referring to a new Economic Monroe Doctrine of America.
But you have been duplicitous and that's been caught and failed. This BS about 'nations only have permanent interests' as quoted to Kissinger only works so much: In the end, the decision makers in most countries notice who's real, who is not. They are human beings. No some robots or Borgs. They make decisions based on personal biases and instincts all too often.
 
Rather than calling unreliable partners, i call the west and USA as selfish players in this game who will sacrifice or ditch anyone.

We shouldn't blame any one. likewise, we should be ready for anything.

Russia is a part of our energy security. Can't risk it for west/USA

Mate, it is too late for such preaching. Your country India has benefitted handsomely due to American and Western preferential treatment. Don't even get me started on the preferential rewards that India enjoys. When you became a partner of QUAD, your country knew what it was signing for. It is an anti-China and anti-Global South partnership. Your country is a member of this group. Are you telling us now that you find the US and the West unreliable? That doesn't add up. Your leaders have miscalculated US waivers as something unending.

Stop crying like a baby and own up. You are today criticising the US and West because they are demanding you to stop buying Russian oil among other things. A member of QUAD should listen and obey the command.
 
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That is why India is not trusted by either BRICS nor QUAD. It stood defeated and friendless after Kashmir clash and now Trump is mocking India daily.

India is crying because it is feeling the pressure from all sides. India often plays this non-alignment BS card when things aren't going its way. What India wants is uninterrupted belonging in all camps it deems fit. That is not how the world works. When you make a commitment somewhere you are obliged to follow the rules. India has enjoyed waivers during Democrat rule. Now that Trump is in office he demands respect and loyalty. The Indians don't like it. They want more waivers. That is not how Trump works.

It seems India has run out of Chanakya ideas.
 
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Trump’s Pakistan pivot redefines US-India dynamics: ‘no permanent friends’


Don't you guys always preach that there are no friends in politics? LOL looks like you have become a casualty of your own fallacy.
 
We always pick a side, its India.

You are about to find out that cheating is not done. Why do you think Trump is openly taunting and criticising India? Especially after so many howdy Modi hugs? Indians literally worship Trump. What went wrong?

I will tell you what went wrong. India cannot have it both ways, mate. You think you are the leader of Global South. No, you are not. You cannot be a leader by being a member of QUAD. Your foreign policy is all over the place. You pretend that you are non-aligned when you are only in it for self gain. A leader of Global South cannot think for itself. A leader thinks collectively. China is the true leader of Global South.
 
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If it's either Brics or QUAD. It's BRICS. The QUAD needs India more than India needs the QUAD. More over we are a Junior partner in that group.

My personal preference is to stand with the Global South. The west can decide.

India will not show any loyalty to others. Neither there was duplicity before nor now.
Hope Americans realize that.

The onus is on India. Talk is cheap. Get out of QUAD and prove it to the rest. Your personal preference doesn't matter. It is your official policy that matters. Your country has made a mess and now it is being held accountable. It was only a matter of time.
 
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The poverty levels in India are still GIGANTIC. Indian economic growth hasn't benefitted Indian poverty reduction as it should have. That is partly because India is a caste based society. Every country has

If Pakistan has ten slums. India has at least a thousand. That comes with size and population. India is wildly overpopulated and disorganised. China is in a different league when it comes to organising. Not even a contest.

The data begs to differ in terms of India benefiting from its policies. But I'm sorry, you need to remove your Indian hate to think objectively. You don't have much ground to stand on.

Again, as you said in your second paragraph, India's size magnifies its interior, but when you scale Pakistan up or India down, Pakistan comes out worse, and that's based on data provided by Pakistan and compared to the World Bank and other sources' data.

I already gave you one metric on the previous page when scaling both countries.

Arguing for the sake of arguing to come out ahead will get you nowhere. As you should have noticed by now, very serious members aren't giving much credence to your calling out on Indian foreign policy; you should think deeply as to why.
 
The data begs to differ in terms of India benefiting from its policies. But I'm sorry, you need to remove your Indian hate to think objectively. You don't have much ground to stand on.

Again, as you allowed in your second paragraph, the size of India magnifies its interior, but when you scale Pakistan up or India down, Pakistan comes out worse, and that's based on data provided by Pakistan and compared to World Bank and other sources' data.

Bro, we are as much hurt as you regarding PTI and Imran Khan. That doesn't mean that we start taking Pakistan down. I have read your posts. I know why you have become so critical. Be critical against the current lot, but don't let the Indians walk over Pakistan. That is not done.

India is a caste based society. Brahmins make money and the rest just survives. You might be impressed with India's economic rise. We know better.
 
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That is until Trump ups the ante. Keep irritating Trump.
 

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