Opinion: India Pakistan near conflict - Escalation management non-existent

First of all, I really appreciate everyone of you giving your thoughts on this critical issue. I posted this as I can sense the gravity of the situation and was hoping a community debate will take place. What’s being discussed here by a few needs to involve the entire community here and discussions outside of this forum. I’ll summarize some key points to further the topic:

  • FIRST POINT AND MOST CRITICAL: Pakistan MUST think, assess and have plans for a drawn out war. It MUST KNOW that Modi and the company may be ready for some nukes. Modi is crazy and you are dealing with a mass murderer who has no issue losing a few million people to destroy Pakistan in return. So that’s their main deal. 1: Banking on the fact that Pakistan will take the beating and 2: If Pakistan goes to nuke, we’ll lose a few cities but will end Pakistan once and for all. This is their doomsday scenario we MUST be prepared for.

  • World Status: They will on purpose start something just to gain ground among people in India. Why? That’s what keeps them in power. That would also be a message to the world “we are truly a big country and don’t care about Trump”. To their calculation, this is a MUST DO to win back the world and even tell America we are independent and will fight our own wars.

  • Russia MUST NOT be trusted by Pakistan in any war. Remember IRAN! Russian jews have served as Israel’s PM’s, etc. There is a huge Russian Jewish population in Russia and in Israel. Many Russian Jews serve Israel’s defense forces at all levels. Just remember what happened to Iran and Russia was asleep the whole time because it has great people to people contacts.

  • Now some other major points:
Cause of where India is today on Pakistan: There were a lot of separations between Hindus also. However, Modi has been able to connect all Indian people with one thought “Hindutva” and second: Pakistan. In their history, they are taught how the Mughals ruled them for centuries and somehow, in the RSS world (that’s now every Hindu’s world it seems), Pakistan belong to the Mughal descends while their Muslim population is different (not that they care about them). And that, Hidutva would’ve taken over the world but Mughal rule destroyed Hindu progression. Now you’ve made a perfect recipe of Religion + History + Anger + Victimization towards ONE enemy, that is Pakistan. So expecting any common sense or even humanity is out of question.

  • Pakistan and Pakistanis need to unite on this ONE topic. We can play politics and whatever else out there but we MUST unite for our country, survival and existence.

  • How you tackle this, some of you pointed out right, Pakistan internal and Pakistanis across the world, need to be READY for this “war of annihilation”, like a member put it

  • Restraint: I think you guys are right. Time to take off the “restraint glove”. Because if we stay in restrain, it may be the first strike and a massive one. We don’t have a nuke capable sub yet, for a second strike. We may be able to get one by 2030 but I doubt India would wait till 2028 when Pakistan would start to re-balance its economy and the economy would jump over half a trillion and the defense budget will jump also. India will no way want to fight a Pakistan with a $ 15 to 20 billion defense budget with new systems and economy growing.

@Fatman17 @Waz @Blain2 @Waz @Master Chief
 
War mongering is at it's peak.
Remember that both US and China are/ will be monitoring the statements and actions on the ground.
There will be no surprise attack as both adversaries will be notified by the US (both) and China ( Pakistan).
China is on record saying that they will come to Pakistan’s aid diplomatically and materially.
Someone can shed light on the status of our armed forces - standing down or on red alert?
Have we identified our weaknesses and begun to rectify them from the last conflict?
My fear is that we may be "over confident " and thus suffer from complacency. I Hope that is not the case!!!
 
Fatman17 said:
War mongering is at it's peak.
Remember that both US and China are/ will be monitoring the statements and actions on the ground.
There will be no surprise attack as both adversaries will be notified by the US (both) and China ( Pakistan).
China is on record saying that they will come to Pakistan’s aid diplomatically and materially.
Someone can shed light on the status of our armed forces - standing down or on red alert?
Have we identified our weaknesses and begun to rectify them from the last conflict?
My fear is that we may be "over confident " and thus suffer from complacency. I Hope that is not the case!!!
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Identification of weaknesses will be stated after the end of celebration....we are too busy right now
 
Fatman17 said:
War mongering is at it's peak.
Remember that both US and China are/ will be monitoring the statements and actions on the ground.
There will be no surprise attack as both adversaries will be notified by the US (both) and China ( Pakistan).
China is on record saying that they will come to Pakistan’s aid diplomatically and materially.
Someone can shed light on the status of our armed forces - standing down or on red alert?
Have we identified our weaknesses and begun to rectify them from the last conflict?
My fear is that we may be "over confident " and thus suffer from complacency. I Hope that is not the case!!!
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You hit it right on the head. That's why I started this thread so we are NOT over confident and just think we'll always do a 7-0.

You should check out Indian media. Media and wars are always an extension of politics. Modi says "run this", Godi media starts to prepare people's minds. That's what's going on. Grounds are being developed with new narratives twice a week.

China will help us materially and with equipment but to a limit. We need to plan NOW, not in the middle of some war and be disappointed.

US may or may NOT be notified for any attack. Because what they've been saying is that "it will be resuming of the pause", in other words, nothing new they need to announce as everyone knew it was a pause.

Let's see what happens. But the key here is learn what Modi wants "Pakistan to be turned into Gaza", and he's ok to do it if he has to lose a few million Indian lives, that's a small price. THAT is the key here.
 
I mentiod in other thread that the next round will be played in extreme doubts and fears .....will be very quick and destructive...the current statements from both sides are manifesting the heat.
 
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RajaBaja said:
Is IA also standing down?

Indian media is screaming our COAS is threatening nuke attack in front of the entire American military leadership. If we are standing down, what's the use of such threat?
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Domestic consumption.
Modi is desperate to bolster his standing
 
RajaBaja said:
Is IA also standing down?

Indian media is screaming our COAS is threatening nuke attack in front of the entire American military leadership. If we are standing down, what's the use of such threat?
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Yea Standing down. Don't worry. These type of threats were there after ops swift retort as well from both sides.

Military will only be on alert if some kind of 'false flag" happens and they start blaming us. Remember if they are planning something like ops sindoor again, they need to mobilize first and we can sense it.
 
RajaBaja said:
Let's see what happens. But the key here is learn what Modi wants "Pakistan to be turned into Gaza", and he's ok to do it if he has to lose a few million Indian lives, that's a small price. THAT is the key here.
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I don't think that should be considered a plausible scenario

I think they want to use the rhetoric of Israel to imply they have this level of superiority

At the end of the day, if they really want that route then they too will get dragged further down and goodbye to development.

The biggest harm to India is access to technological and economic development

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Oscar said:
Domestic consumption.
Modi is desperate to bolster his standing
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The thread was started for a reason. To create awareness of the current situation for our community. When two nuke nation's Army Chief's and PM (Modi especially) openly raise nuclear attack scenarios every two days, things are NOT normal or "for domestic consumption".

And our military is NOT standing down. Whoever said it, needs to get in touch with the Pakistani military, not Police or Civil Defense.

We're not in a war, but our alert level is higher than peace time. In Pentagon terms, we're at DefCon3 right now and since May.
 
RajaBaja said:
The thread was started for a reason. To create awareness of the current situation for our community. When two nuke nation's Army Chief's and PM (Modi especially) openly raise nuclear attack scenarios every two days, things are NOT normal or "for domestic consumption".

And our military is NOT standing down. Whoever said it, needs to get in touch with the Pakistani military, not Police or Civil Defense.

We're not in a war, but our alert level is higher than peace time. In Pentagon terms, we're at DefCon3 right now and since May.
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Threat is not that extreme but not settled either.
Modi wants a domestic win since the thrashing his government has had since Sindoor.

First option was a follow up but confidence in IAF is low and chances of success of standoff strikes is lower unless massive saturation strikes are undertaken. The risk with that is massive Pakistani escalation and Modi doesn’t want India’s existence threatened.

Next option is IN running a gauntlet against “terror” threats in Khi in combination of landing spec ops or targeting A2/AD systems otherwise. IN is likely to mow through PN ships so they are hoping for success there.

So far their sub infiltration attempt have run into PN nets and they haven’t found a way to take out A2/AD assets with a high degree of success.

Ideally for them they would like to take out the man rumored to be in Clifton, sink a PN ship or two with a PAF F-16 shot down.

They can take that for the next two terms they want to keep on while getting their “taught Pakistan a lesson” record.

however, since their military chiefs have not guaranteed them “perfect” wins they want to first “fix” history by showing a greater win in Sindoor. That backfired so now they want to project utter destruction until they feel they can execute the Southern or LoC territory grab
 
One strategic dilemma for India is if it initiates round 2 it will likely trigger swift US condemnation and new anti-Indian measures especially given Trump ceasefire. India will begin to be depicted as a rogue state.

In the next war, we will see Pakistan attack cities like New Delhi, Mumbai, Bengaluru, Calcutta, Chennai, Hyderabad, in addition to IoK and western India.
 
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Two immediate action points :
remove the word "restraint" from war strategy

and 2nd ....go for Hypersonic...
 
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