India Lucky Not To Lose More Than Four Rafales

[Metal 0-1]

some of the heroes and planners of Swift Retort are under house arrest and exile.

the heck! why though?

 

[TAC]

This is it, we are blessed with an enemy who knows almost nothing about modern PR or information warfare.

They should have made one story, presented even some half arsed evidencem then stuck with it and repeated it consistently.

Credit here to PAF, at the very first presser, hours after the clash,, they stuck with 6-0 and the Rafale kills. the only thing that seemed to be in dispute (from PAF perspective) was 3 Rafales down or 4.

The messaging, along with the PAF spokesman (man he exuded confidence as if his very mission in life was to do that press conference) was textbook.

Now compare that to India. There is probably not a single Indian who knows the latest claims or all the past Indian claims. In a deliberate attempt to fool the world they have fooled themselves. 3-4 different stories on what got shot down, why it got down, what was bombed, then what was not bombed, political restrain, military restraint, Trump talks, no Trump talks, not a glass shattered to posthemous medals.

From 2019, PAFG knew it would be fighting an information war as soon as the first missile was fired. Even in that war....it was still 6-0!

Much easier to stick to one story when you’re telling the truth in contrast Indian officials could not even stick to the same lie with every other official making up a different one with their shameless AC taking the prize for biggest lier. The different lies don’t even tye up to eachother & to top it off some of them intermittently accepted the truth. Modi’s jahil background really reflects in the whole show from start to finish.

 

[side-winder]

It was the Viper community that built up tactics, manuals, procedures, tactical employment for Thunder and J-10 community. The training embarked on the Viper group is far more strenuous on average than the rest of the aircraft groups. The supposed rivalry for the F-16 group especially the seniors is unfortunately with other non related issues.......hence many in the service limit their info for celebration. The Viper community overall from day 1 has been a toxic environment, that is a PAF culture issue.

For example, some of the heroes and planners of Swift Retort are under house arrest and exile.

Unfortunately - there is alot of politics that gets involved at 2 stars and above.

Otherwise - The Viper operators are indeed the finest among all. Know many of them who are currently serving at 1 star and below - Noman Ali Khan, Asim Raja, Ghazanfar Shakeel, Mudassir Malhi, Tariq Waheed, Hasan Siddiqui.

However, as it is - times are changing - and F-16 is no longer our best option.

 

[Master Chief]

It was the Viper community that built up tactics, manuals, procedures, tactical employment for Thunder and J-10 community. The training embarked on the Viper group is far more strenuous on average than the rest of the aircraft groups. The supposed rivalry for the F-16 group especially the seniors is unfortunately with other non related issues.......hence many in the service limit their info for celebration. The Viper community overall from day 1 has been a toxic environment, that is a PAF culture issue.

For example, some of the heroes and planners of Swift Retort are under house arrest and exile.

Wanton self harm is truly one of our nation's worst qualities.

 

[gamaji]

For example, some of the heroes and planners of Swift Retort are under house arrest and exile.

I am sure that must be because of some rather serious violations of the rules/laws rather than just the rivalry, prestige, or community issues.

 

[Windjammer]

I am sure that must be because of some rather serious violations of the rules/laws rather than just the rivalry, prestige, or community issues.

Yes you don't bring out whitepaper on your chief only because he is not sailing in the Viper boat.

 

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India surrender in front of China. Pakistan beating India in May war will have long term repercussions for Bharat.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Chinese youtube defense analysts saying Pak. missiles penetrated vents for Brahmos storage site and exploded inside, caused panic at senior level..

 

[Areesh]

Looks who is talking about manipulating words!!!
The new article never said that there was a different Rafale, infact it did not give any such context at all

The new article said one Rafale made it back safely after getting hit

The Rafale in Bhatinda didn't made it back safely

So two rafales were hit

 

[TAC]

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India surrender in front of China. Pakistan beating India in May war will have long term repercussions for Bharat.

Agreed and very much evident. Aside from all the lies & false bravado after the May experience India seems to have understood that it’s not got a chance against China so best calm the f down and learn to get on with them. China won big in May.

 

[Oscar]

Yes you don't bring out whitepaper on your chief only because he is not sailing in the Viper boat.

There is more to that - but let’s leave it at that. A lot of good talent in PAF is lost now and has been lost before as well due to these personal agendas.

 

[ThoroughPro]

Chinese youtube defense analysts saying Pak. missiles penetrated vents for Brahmos storage site and exploded inside, caused panic at senior level..

Did PAF use JDAMS

 

[Reichmarshal]

Yes you don't bring out whitepaper on your chief only because he is not sailing in the Viper boat.

sidhu sahib is not without blame, in fact, when the dust settles n he is gone, he will be mentioned in the list of chiefs with the most financial irregularities during their tenure. The white paper was basically outlining that.

 

[Tejas Spokesman]

The new article said one Rafale made it back safely after getting hit

The Rafale in Bhatinda didn't made it back safely

So two rafales were hit

No, the French word "rentrez en toute sécurité" also means evacuation over safe area, which jn this contect stands for ejection.
So to summarise:
1. The article never ever indicated it was two separate jets
2. While it used the word (returning safely), it never said that it returned to base or landed back.

 

[Sparten]

Yes, both amongst IAF and our F16 Sqns, if you know what I mean.

I beleive the Viper drivers did get kills against drones.