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@Dalit bro

India just developed all by itself.

Indeed, that is correct. Every nation which has developed before IND, developed by itself. Whatever (little) development IND has seen is because of its own efforts. And every nation that will develop after it, will develop by itself.

And that is why I am very skeptical about PAK ever getting anywhere close to development.

Regards
 
NEW DELHI: India saved billions of dollars by stepping up imports of discounted Russian oil in the wake of the war in Ukraine, but punitive tariffs imposed by the US that came into effect on Wednesday will quickly undo the gains, with no easy solutions in sight.

Analysts estimate India has saved at least $17 billion by increasing oil imports from Russia since early 2022.


US President Donald Trump’s decision to impose additional tariffs of up to 50% on Indian imports could slash exports by more than 40%, or nearly $37 billion, this April-March fiscal year alone, according to New Delhi think-tank Global Trade Research Initiative (GTRI).


The fallout from the tariffs will be lingering, and could be politically debilitating for Prime Minister Narendra Modi, with thousands of jobs at risk in labour-intensive sectors such as textiles, gems, and jewellery.

India’s response in the coming weeks could reshape its decades-old partnership with Russia and recalibrate its increasingly complex ties with the US, a relationship Washington sees as vital to countering China’s growing influence in the Indo-Pacific, analysts said.

“India needs Russia for defence equipment for several more years, cheap oil when available, geopolitical support in the continental space and political backing on sensitive matters,” said Happymon Jacob, the founder of Delhi’s Council for Strategic and Defence Research.

“That makes Russia an invaluable partner for India.” But he added: “Despite the difficulties between Delhi and Washington under Trump, the United States continues to be India’s most important strategic partner. India simply doesn’t have the luxury of choosing one over the other, at least not yet.”

Two Indian government sources said New Delhi wants to repair ties with Washington and is open to increasing purchases of US energy but is reluctant to fully halt Russian oil imports.

Discussions with the US are ongoing, India’s foreign secretary told reporters on Tuesday, with officials from both countries holding virtual talks on trade, energy security including nuclear cooperation, and critical minerals exploration.

Crude at $200/bbl?

Russian crude now accounts for nearly 40% of India’s total oil purchases from nearly nothing before the war, and analysts say any immediate stoppage would not only signal capitulation under pressure but also be economically unfeasible.

Indian purchases are led by billionaire Mukesh Ambani’s Reliance Industries , which operates the world’s largest refining complex in Modi’s home state of Gujarat.

India, Russia agree to boost trade ties after foreign ministers meet in Moscow

Global crude prices could more than triple to around $200 a barrel if India, the world’s third-largest oil consumer and importer, stops buying oil from Russia, according to internal Indian government estimates reviewed by Reuters.

It would also lose the up to 7% discount Russian oil offers compared to global benchmarks.

In an unusually sharp statement this month, India accused the US of double standards in singling it out for Russian oil imports while itself continuing to buy Russian uranium hexafluoride, palladium and fertiliser.

New Delhi says other countries that have stepped up purchases of Russian oil, like China, have not been penalised.

US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent has accused India of profiteering from its sharply increased purchases of Russian oil and called it unacceptable.

He told CNBC in an interview last week that unlike India’s surge in Russian oil imports after the start of the war in Ukraine, China’s purchases had increased to 16% from 13%.

India’s foreign ministry has said its crude imports from Russia are “meant to ensure predictable and affordable energy costs to the Indian consumer. They are a necessity compelled by the global market situation”.

New Delhi warns that halting Russian oil imports, which is currently around 2 million barrels per day, would disrupt its entire supply chain and send domestic fuel prices soaring.

It has said the previous US administration under Joe Biden had backed its purchases of Russian oil to keep global prices stable.

Russia has said it expects India to keep buying oil from it.

Modi has not directly commented on the tariffs but has repeatedly pledged support for India’s farmers - seen as a veiled response to Trump’s demands to open up India’s vast agricultural sector.

Farmers are a key voting bloc, and Modi faces a tough election in the rural state of Bihar later this year.

He has also pledged major cuts in a goods and services tax by October to lift domestic demand.

Trilateral ties

In a flurry of diplomatic activity aimed at multipolarity, senior Indian officials have travelled to Russia in recent days, while Modi is set to visit China this month for the first time in over seven years.

India-China relations began thawing about a year ago, following a deadly border clash in 2020.

Modi is expected to meet both Chinese President Xi Jinping and Russian President Vladimir Putin at a summit meeting starting on Sunday of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, a regional security bloc.

But the sources said India is still very cautious in its relations with China and not yet considering a trilateral summit between the three leaders, as hoped by Russia.

Other countries could take their cue from how India reacts to the US tariffs, experts said.

“The key takeaway for other countries is that if India - an emerging major economic and military power - is under immense pressure from the US, they might have even less capacity to withstand American pressure,” said Jacob, the analyst.

“Additionally, some might interpret the current dynamics as indicating that China could potentially serve as a counterbalance, especially given Trump’s unpredictable and aggressive geopolitical moves.”

International relations experts say Trump’s recent moves have plunged the US-India relationship back to possibly its worst phase since the US imposed sanctions on India for nuclear weapons tests in 1998.

Besides trade, the row could affect other areas like work visas for Indian tech professionals and offshoring of services.

And even if India is able to eventually get some of the tariffs reversed, several consequences will linger, especially in trade.

“Competitors like China, Vietnam, Mexico, Turkey, and even Pakistan, Nepal, Guatemala, and Kenya stand to gain, potentially locking India out of key markets even after tariffs are rolled back,” said GTRI founder Ajay Srivastava, a former Indian trade official.
 
@Dalit bro

India just developed all by itself.

Indeed, that is correct. Every nation which has developed before IND, developed by itself. Whatever (little) development IND has seen is because of its own efforts. And every nation that will develop after it, will develop by itself.

And that is why I am very skeptical about PAK ever getting anywhere close to development.

Regards

No, you didn't. You ripped the Americans off under the guise of an anti-China bulwark. Your country received enormous prefentials trade and defence deals through the US and the West. Your tech sector was literally developed and carried by the US. Your country is a member of the QUAD. The only reason why the U.S. and NATO countries have heavily invested in India is because that is the commitment your country made. Now you are breaking that commitment and pretending that you are an heir of the Global South.

Mate, stop kidding yourself. India has proved that it is unreliable. Your leadership has scolded and criticised China for decades. Today, your leaders want to sit in Chinese lap.
 
@Dalit bro

Your country received enormous prefentials trade

That is what I asked you earlier. What preferential trade deals? We got a lower tariff on our exports? We got a discount on their products? What deal did we get?

Your tech sector was literally developed and carried by the US.

Again, how did they develop India's tech sector? Did they give us machines, computers, software etc free of cost? Did they train our engineers free of cost?

the commitment your country made.

What commitment did we make? Is there a formal document somewhere? Was such a treaty/commitment ratified by the Indian Parliament?

Regards
 
@r3alist bro

So are we calling this leverage?

Well it is obvious- USA has a huge amount of leverage over IND.

But for the time being, Modi isn't budging-either on agri imports or on Russian oil.

Regards


This was once a lively debate not long ago
 
Has the savings on crude oil filtered down to the Indian consumer? Perhaps some Indian member could answer
 
India: Don't buy from us if you don't like it. Strong reply.

US: We're telling you not to buy from Russia otherwise we will punish you. We will dictate where India buys it's oil from.

India: Silence - run from pillar to post.
 
india will win this round against USA (and all next rounds too!).

it is not really a fight; it will make India more stronger and USA weaker.

we have to realize, India and USA now are a single face (i.e two people and 1 face, wont matter if India looses to USA or otherwise!)

one can question, is that even possible. I'd argue, to overlook this would be a fatal error!

Proof brigade would def. need proof(below!)


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Soft on China, hard on India: What's Trump up to?

Aug 27, 2025, 03:08:00 PM IST

Synopsis
US President Trump's administration is adopting a tougher stance on India while seemingly easing tensions with China. New tariffs on Indian exports and strained trade talks contrast sharply with postponed tariffs on Chinese goods and increased student visas. This policy reversal jeopardizes US-India relations, built on defense cooperation and strategic alignment against China.

In a dramatic departure from decades of bipartisan US foreign policy consensus, US President Donald Trump has unleashed a series of moves that mark a stark reorientation in America’s approach toward Asia. At the heart of this strategic pivot is a bewildering paradox. While India, long viewed as a vital democratic partner and counterweight to China in the Indo-Pacific, is being hit with punishing tariffs and harsh rhetoric, America’s principal strategic rival China is enjoying a surprising thaw.

A new round of US tariffs on India is coming into effect, a total of 50% duties on a range of Indian exports. This steep hike follows an earlier 25% tariff announced by Trump, which was doubled via executive order earlier this month for India’s continued purchase of Russian oil.

What stands out is not only the economic weight of the tariffs but also the political message they send. These measures come alongside a complete breakdown in trade talks with India and sharply critical comments from Trump administration officials, notably trade hawk Peter Navarro. The tone has shifted from partnership to punishment, leaving policymakers in both countries and foreign policy experts stunned. This is not merely a trade decision. It’s a major diplomatic disruption.

China gets a pass​

In stark contrast, Trump has taken an altogether different approach with China. Despite China being the largest buyer of Russian oil, it has avoided additional tariffs. In fact, on August 12, Trump postponed tariffs on Chinese imports for another 90 days, maintaining levies at just 30%, far below the new Indian rate.

That’s not all. During a press conference with South Korean President Lee Jae Myung, Trump announced he will allow 600,000 of them into US universities, nearly double the existing number. This is a significant shift from prior Trump policies, which introduced restrictive visa measures and scrutinised Chinese nationals under the lens of national security.

“We’re getting along very well with China… It’s very insulting to say ‘students can’t come here,’” Trump told reporters. “You know what would happen if they didn’t? Our college system would go to hell, very quickly.”

A policy reversal?​


This uneven treatment has upended the foundational logic of America's Indo-Pacific strategy that India is a natural ally in containing the rise of an authoritarian China. The policy had long been shared across administrations, from Bush to Obama to Biden, and enjoyed broad bipartisan support. By penalising India more harshly than China, Trump risks eroding trust in a relationship painstakingly built over two decades. US-India defence cooperation, intelligence sharing, joint military exercises and technology transfers, all of which had deepened in recent years, are now at risk.

Even more jarring is the optics of Trump offering concessions to China while cracking down on India. Trump has lifted export restrictions on Nvidia’s H20 chips to China, reversing a national security-driven ban. In a shocking decision, he recently blocked a stopover by the Taiwanese president in the US. Trump is pushing for denuclearization talks with both Russia and China, positioning China as a necessary dialogue partner in broader security efforts. A top Chinese trade envoy is expected in Washington soon, targeting trade deficit reduction and logistical coordination, another sign of renewed communication channels.

Trump also told reporters on Monday that he expects to visit China this year or shortly afterwards, noting that economic ties between the two countries have improved. Trump pointed to recent talks with Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping: "At some point, probably during this year or shortly thereafter, we'll go to China." "We're going to have a great relationship with China," Trump vowed. He added: "They have some cards. We have incredible cards, but I don't want to play those cards. If I played those cards, that would destroy China."

The cumulative effect of these decisions is a foreign policy that increasingly favors accommodation with China, even as India, an old democratic ally, is alienated. While most Republican lawmakers have not voiced their concerns openly, Democrats are vocal in their opposition. “President Trump is giving away the farm to Xi just so he can save face and reach a nonsensical trade deal with Beijing that will hurt American families economically,” Rep. Gregory Meeks, the top Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee told AP a few weeks ago. “With President Trump, everything seems to be open for negotiation, and there are few if any red lines,” Gabriel Wildau, managing director of the global consultancy Teneo, has told AP. “The hawks worry that if Trump gets into a room with Xi, he will agree to extraordinary concessions, especially if he believes that a big, beautiful deal is within reach.”

Many argue Trump’s hands are tied. The US remains deeply dependent on Chinese goods, especially rare earth materials, essential for defense systems and green technologies. Trump himself hinted at this strategic leverage, saying: “They have some cards. We have incredible cards, but I don’t want to play those cards. If I played those cards, that would destroy China.” But this admission underlines the fragility of the US position and exposes the danger of over-relying on adversarial regimes.

Trump’s current approach, rewarding China while penalising India, may deliver short-term deals or headlines, but it poses serious risks to America’s long-term strategic posture. His foreign policy has always been driven by instinct and negotiation, not doctrine. But the emerging pattern of going soft on China while going hard on India is not only inconsistent, it is strategically incoherent. In an era of intensifying geopolitical competition, alienating a key democratic partner while appeasing an authoritarian rival risks doing lasting damage to US credibility and leadership.
 
I don't think Donald Trump likes India.

The other day he said, he had given an ultimatum to Surrender Modi to stop the war within 24 hours but he surrendered within 5 hours.
 
"Bessent, however, told Fox Business that the issues with India are not just over Russian oil, but also because India has “kind of tapped” the US along in “terms of negotiations”.

“President Trump and Prime Minister Modi have very good relationships at that level. And it’s not just over the Russian oil. The Indians came in very early, after Liberation Day, to start negotiating on tariffs, and we still don’t have a deal. I thought that we would have a deal in May, June. I thought India could be one of the earlier deals. And they’ve kind of tapped us along in terms of the negotiations,” said Bessent."

Even if India stopped buying Russian oil, it will be not be enough. USA want tariff access to all sectors of India. Other countries will also be watching closely this deal.
 
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Who the idiot to say that Trump is rewarding China but punishing India ? Lol, the grumpy man did try to impose 245% tariffs on China before, but he just TACO because US can't stands Chinese REM sanctions and can't get supplies of Chinese products. It's not that he is just nice to China, he wants to destroy China in his every dream, it's just the fool has no stomach to have another trade war with China now. India gets the high tariff because it foolishly piss off Trump by depriving him getting his all sought Nobel Peace prize.
 
When was it done the first time?
When Modi told him over phone that there was no discussion of trade and American mediation when American officials had called those from India during the conflict and the Indian side put that out publicly.
 

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