Bilal
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I am not Bilal Quwa. Just the same name.
Pakistan Navy Gun Boats - News / Discussion
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we will do so
AZADPAKISTAN2009
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This impressive Local Development ideal size for close Coastal Watch , with good radar capability and light Guns for Patrolling near the shoreline.
Quite decent size and Stealth capabilities in design
For a Coast 700 km long certainly need such assets to help patrol properly
Surprisingly no Specs exist on Wiki , nor anyone talked about this project
Quite decent size and Stealth capabilities in design
For a Coast 700 km long certainly need such assets to help patrol properly
Surprisingly no Specs exist on Wiki , nor anyone talked about this project
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Tank131
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Its a gunship. Its meant for anti-crime, smuggling, narcotics and piracy operations. It will likely have a 25-30mm RCWS (Aselsan STOP or SMASH) with probable manned gunpoints and possibly two 12.7mm RCWS. It can overwhelm criminals a pirates but isnt a war fighting ship. Its a policing ship. The benefits here is they will offload the smaller ships like Azmats and Yarmooks to be more active in war efforts and decrease cost of such operations by not needing to field medium to large tonnage ships for the task.
Aamir Hussain
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When the policing role is played by PMSA, then why give gun boats to Navy? I think PN should be an all missile capable force and let the gunboats and conventionally armed patrol vessel be with PMSA and do away with Coast Guard or merge Coast Guard with PMSA.
Starlord
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I think we should build more AZMAT class missile boats, they are small and fast and can carry 2x2 missile launchers and can be more effective for harassing IN, and do shoot and run missions.
Toxic
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It's part of the bloat of the Pakistani military, you have two organizations doing the same thing plus the patrol vessels of the PN rather than a single coast Guard, same thing with all the para mil organization with wildly varied equipment and training rather then single United national Guard.
Aamir Hussain
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Before the raising of the PMSA, Coast Guard and PN used to do the Maritime Security function. Cost Guard primarily functioned as a coastal smuggling interdiction force mainly operating on land near the coast with limited capacity and role of harbor patrol restricted to checking of port entry and leaving of the fishing fleet. With the raising of MSA, these roles should be combined with dedicated light helo assets with them.
Pakistan Space Agency
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Has Pakistan ordered 20 gunboats from the US or is this something total indigenous?
Pak-Warrior
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Collaboration with Swift Ships USA.
"indigenous" is a term we use incorrectly among all armed forces. We basically attach "indigenous" to each and everything even if anything is transfer of technology. Indigenous is something which you achieve without any outside help, completely utilizing local resources & man-power.
The most Indigenous Pakistan program was its nuclear program as we could not have used any other country's help. Even your strongest allies won't help you in such thing. Except nuclear weapon capability, none of the major defense projects can be called as totally indigenous.
Military PR teams should be made aware that "indigenously build" is incorrect statement. It should be "locally built".
BTW, I don't know why PN needed a foreign company like Swift Ships for collaboration in such a small gunboat program. Having ToT experience in building Azmat FACs locally (which are probably 3 times bigger) and even one of F22P frigate, one of big tanker. All with ToTs. Why is that we still require foreign vendors ? @Quwa @arslank01 what are your thoughts on it? We should have had enough capability to design and produce upto 1K tonnage light corvettes till now. We are doing ToTs for quite a long period of time. I remember in 90s we were doing that with missile boats and using same wordings of "indigenous ships" in newspapers. But that cycle seems to be unending. We even built 90b subs with ToT and then PN chief said we have become from a submarine operating nation to submarine building nation. 25 yrs later exact same wordings are repeated for Hangors. But I understand submarines are very complex, lets just focus on smaller warships or missile boats / gunboats.
Pakistan Space Agency
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i guess the key is that we've been doing tot for building ships, we're pretty lacking on the design front.
azmat was the first attempt at a design, but above the waterline, the hull form was all original azmat design.
then jinnah is a bit more of an attempt at more in depth design choices, the waterline down stufff can be quite difficult to do, imo pn is taking a cautious approach in absorbing the expertise and knowledge, swift was probably picked due to the ceo's connections in the PN tbh lol, most of the leadership, including ex ceo were all Pak Navy.
Likely just a means of low risk learning via swift imparting their knowledge onto NRDI. Remember, PN is only now starting to look to original programs. The next one will probably be a indigenous submarine built with either fincantieri based off of the U212NFS or either STM or Milden tech
RajaBaja
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I think the target was 22 of these gun boats. We need to let the littoral water policing be done by a larger number of these boats for ports, smuggling and other operations.
PN needs to modernize quickly. All combat ships should be upgraded to VLS systems, the one's that don't have them or have the smaller one's. Both China and Turkey have the new VLS systems that can be "installed" even if the original hull didn't have those. VLS must have 32 or more cells to pack a decent punch. Indian ships can easily send a silo of near 100 anti-ship missiles at a time so we should be prepared for it.
Similarly, 3 rings of air defense are needed around the Indian border and both our ports. First two can be NASAMs like, built locally on FAAZ-ER. The 3rd will be strategic systems like the HQ-9B and HQ-19.
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