Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[KingQamaR]

It doesn't matter what Iran used. If Israeli jets continued hitting Iran right up until the final hour on day 12, then Iranian missiles did not, or insufficiently detered Israel. After a few weeks, some new satellite imagery surfaced, which revealed undisclosed damage to Israel, and Al Udeid air base in Qatar.

But nothing major like destroyed airbases, destroyed Israeli jets on tarmacs.

It is possible Israel didn't lose a single fighter jet.


We will see in the coming days or weeks if a second attack occurs.

It’s highly dateable statement from you that Iran “lost military or achieved no damage”. So you honestly believe that Israel would agree to stop the conflict if they had the upper hand in attrition?

 

[TruthSeeker]

I cannot think of a single parallel in world history wherein a nation has sacrificed as much as Iran has for another people, the Palestinians. There is no rational, logical reason for Iranians to have given so much of their energy and resources to some else's cause, for the past 45 years, as Iran has done for the Palestinian cause. There is no economic reason, no reason of kinship, no reason of military strategy for this focus and sacrifice of other possible opportunities for the Iranian people's well-being. Can't you see this?

 

[Persian Gulf]

Not very easily. It takes 15-20 missiles launched for 2-3 getting through. That is 85% interception rate.

After all those interceptions, the missiles that get through are not delivering much damage.

the missiles that hit Tel Aviv did huge damage against 'soft' targets like apartment complexes

it's basically a war crime by targeting civilians but (i) Israel does the same and worse to every other country including Iran and (ii) Israel puts its core military assets (HQs, air defences) in urban areas.

 

[ShapurII]

the missiles that hit Tel Aviv did huge damage against 'soft' targets like apartment complexes

it's basically a war crime by targeting civilians but (i) Israel does the same and worse to every other country including Iran and (ii) Israel puts its core military assets (HQs, air defences) in urban areas.

I wouldn't call Weizmann Institute of Science a soft target though. From what I remember, it was reinforced concrete.

We hit HaKirya too. It didn't collapse, but we did cause some structural damage to the building with one missile. We might've been successful had we hit it with something like K-4.

 

[Shafagh]

the missiles that hit Tel Aviv did huge damage against 'soft' targets like apartment complexes

it's basically a war crime by targeting civilians but (i) Israel does the same and worse to every other country including Iran and (ii) Israel puts its core military assets (HQs, air defences) in urban areas.

Sorry, no you are right. What I meant to say is that Iran's missiles did not significantly deter Israel's ability to launch counter attacks. In this aspect, their military infrastructure was not heavily damaged.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I wouldn't call Weizmann Institute of Science a soft target though. From what I remember, it was reinforced concrete.

We hit HaKirya too. It didn't collapse, but we did cause some structural damage to the building with one missile. We might've been successful had we hit it with something like K-4.

I am not sure about it being built with reinforced concrete.

what is HaKirya? the IDF HQ? the Fox News guy said there was some light damage to windows there but it's not clear that was a direct hit. did you see evidence it was?

 

[ShapurII]

I am not sure about it being built with reinforced concrete.

what is HaKirya? the IDF HQ? the Fox News guy said there was some light damage to windows there but it's not clear that was a direct hit. did you see evidence it was?

You can see reinforcing bars that are visible. This photo is from Weizmann.

As for HaKirya, Google is doing an extreme censorship to pretend it was not hit. But I remember very clearly that it was hit and we did some structural damage to the ground floor. A direct impact could be seen very clearly. And that's why the Israelis said it would take 3-4 months to reopen Netanyahu's office there.

 

[Shafagh]

It’s highly dateable statement from you that Iran “lost military or achieved no damage”. So you honestly believe that Israel would agree to stop the conflict if they had the upper hand in attrition?

It's not that cut and dry. I think they were running out of interceptors and needed a pause to resupply.

Israel is playing the long game here. As another user, I think Immortal or ShapurII has stated; they want a country they can bomb over and over with impunity.

With a country as large as Iran, with so many missiles, they need to take their time to wear them down. Remember, Israel has all of the west re-arming them, and zero economic sanctions.

Iran's economy is essentially under embargo, and the noose is going to tighten even more in the coming month or so as JCPOA snap-back provisions re-instate U.N. sanctions.

It does not have the infrastructure to rebuild its air defence network that quickly. Heck, there is no air force! They didn't even go up against Israeli jets.

Guys, I really hope I am wrong here. But for Iran to prevail would require major industrial output, and the political will to escalate with larger attacks, large enough to do considerable damage to Israel's military infrastructure so that they cannot retaliate.

 

[FUB]

I cannot think of a single parallel in world history wherein a nation has sacrificed as much as Iran has for another people, the Palestinians. There is no rational, logical reason for Iranians to have given so much of their energy and resources to some else's cause, for the past 45 years, as Iran has done for the Palestinian cause. There is no economic reason, no reason of kinship, no reason of military strategy for this focus and sacrifice of other possible opportunities for the Iranian people's well-being. Can't you see this?

It is a tragedy. These old ideologues have shackled the Iranian nation for 45 years. After the revolution, Khomeini shut down the Israeli embassy and handed it over to the PLO. In the Iran-Iraq war, the same Palestinians were siding with Saddam. Instead of admitting the failure, IR doubles and triples down on the strategic mistakes. It is like the radical left in the US. A man can be a woman, trans rights, and a moral nihilism. Let's worship a convicted criminal and make a monument for him. It is the same shit. Let's worship a cleric and his ideas in 2025 at the detriment of 90 million.

 

[kastor ville]

I wouldn't call Weizmann Institute of Science a soft target though. From what I remember, it was reinforced concrete.

We hit HaKirya too. It didn't collapse, but we did cause some structural damage to the building with one missile. We might've been successful had we hit it with something like K-4.

I was about to say the same...you don't worry about civilian vs military when you're up against war criminals

 

[kastor ville]

It is a tragedy. These old ideologues have shackled the Iranian nation for 45 years. After the revolution, Khomeini shut down the Israeli embassy and handed it over to the PLO. In the Iran-Iraq war, the same Palestinians were siding with Saddam. Instead of admitting the failure, IR doubles and triples down on the strategic mistakes. It is like the radical left in the US. A man can be a woman, trans rights, and a moral nihilism. Let's worship a convicted criminal and make a monument for him. It is the same shit. Let's worship a cleric and his ideas in 2025 at the detriment of 90 million.

I don't even blame them....I blame our culture for bringing up unworldly, gullible people. If our people weren't so naive these guys wouldn't have lasted almost 50 yrs....the minute unemployment and poverty would hit high levels they would've demanded their heads....but instead the poor people abide.

 

[kastor ville]

Not very easily. It takes 15-20 missiles launched for 2-3 getting through. That is 85% interception rate.

After all those interceptions, the missiles that get through are not delivering much damage.

I think part of this is they thought they needed to play the long game with Israel, and decided to ration missiles, sending small salvos, with both sides racing to see who would run out first.

The intercept rate was not 85%.....that's what Israel wants us to think. I saw a lot of videos, intercept rates were not near that level...I don't want to make a guess, but if you force me, I'd say 65% at max. Remember the second time around the Western allies weren't as responsive as the first time.

 

[kastor ville]

I cannot think of a single parallel in world history wherein a nation has sacrificed as much as Iran has for another people, the Palestinians. There is no rational, logical reason for Iranians to have given so much of their energy and resources to some else's cause, for the past 45 years, as Iran has done for the Palestinian cause. There is no economic reason, no reason of kinship, no reason of military strategy for this focus and sacrifice of other possible opportunities for the Iranian people's well-being. Can't you see this?

Why do guys think we are here because of the Palestinians? We didn't get to this level because of Palestine....we got a lot of other issues. Iran has had bad policies for decades...it just took a while for the US to tighten the noose around our neck. Let's start by the hostage taking, then the Persian Gulf harassments, then Lebanon, after that Hamas, and the PLO...the the Iraq war. We've been warning about these outcomes for a decade,.only to get shouted down by the islamists in our country....there is no reformists, the whole thing is a farce. It's all the Friday prayer crowd's doing. You got dumb people in charge, over and out.

 

[Shafagh]

People equally responsible for this mess are just using reformists as a scapegoat.

 

[hussain0216]

Not very easily. It takes 15-20 missiles launched for 2-3 getting through. That is 85% interception rate.

After all those interceptions, the missiles that get through are not delivering much damage.

I think part of this is they thought they needed to play the long game with Israel, and decided to ration missiles, sending small salvos, with both sides racing to see who would run out first.