PTI News, Updates and Discussion

[Meengla]

Who created the Taliban?
Interior Minister of Benazir Bhutto. He was a army General. Taliban was created to do the country’s dirty work in Afghanistan. Their handlers were all serving or retired ISI officers. And just like the other militant groups they are now out of our control and they are now the enemy.
Who are the TTP?
the same Taliban driven out by the Americans and the Northern Alliance into the FATA badlands where they mixed with the locals through marriage etc and morphed into the TTP.
All the military operations were against them and they were driven back across the border and find sanctuary and are supported by the Taliban regime because they are one and the same.

You and others could certainly benefit from reading veteran journalist Ahmad Rasheed's book about the origin of the Taliban in Afghanistan.
A sweeping summary is that after the Soviets left Afghanistan in 1989, the Mujahideen were slaughtering each other for years and there was a great strife in Afghanistan to which Pakistan had to intervene and supported the one group--the Taliban--who were likely to be Pakistan's allies, who were the least corrupt, and who would bring stability to Afghanistan. All that was proven right strategy for Pakistan and Afghanistan until 9/11 happened.
But the original, biggest mistake Pakistan made was joining the Americans to fight the Soviets starting 1979 and in that historic mistake, Pakistan allowed religious extremism to flourish as a tool to more effectively fight the Soviets AND allowed freedom to millions of Afghan refugees to settle into various parts of Pakistan. The primary culprit for that the Proto Taliban President Zia ul Haq. Whatever followed from that is logical development, right up to now. I remember Pervez Hoodbhoy in 1982 written in Dawn newspaper about the coming blow back. 1982!!!!

 

[Fatman17]

The Evolution and Future of Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan

The Taliban’s return to power in Afghanistan has shifted the balance of power between the Pakistani government and the largest antistate militant group in the country.

carnegieendowment.org

 

[PakAl]

You'll be surprised to see how much Haqqani Network is recruiting for TTP.

Anas Haqqani once prayed behind Hakimullah Mehsud and TTP released that video. They are all one and the same.

Even JUI and JI read funeral prayers of militants ttp, they also meet Afghanistan Taliban and haqqani network leaders in Pakistan
but are sitting in our parliament. It is alleged Haqqani network is close to Pakistan, we cannot say Pakistan has no allies within the Taliban or else we would have been allies of previous Afghan government and enemies of the Taliban.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

“The military operation in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa must be stopped immediately. ANP was made unpopular through similar actions in the past."

He is more worried about popularity contest among pashtun apologists for terrorism.

No thanks Imrandu. You keep proving to state that you must die in jail, Pakistan above your pashtunist agenda.

 

[El Sidd]

I am asking, I don't know where the militants are, are they in the mountains, villages, do they have own base, or do they come from Afghanistan.

KPK government and other authorities should know that.

 

[Meengla]

But no solution on how to deal with terrorists, extremists and how to stop suicide bombings and killing of soldiers. @Meengla said. The militants want control of tribal areas, possibly swat and malakhan region, they don't want army or government writh in these regions. Will that be acceptable to PTI, military and people of Pakistan.

There is no ambiguity in the terrorists' demands: They want territory--sizable territory. And once they get that, they will want MORE. AND MORE.
Numerous negotiations have happened for almost a quarter century. Elders from the tribal Jirgahs have been killed. The terrorists have been appeased many times with concessions. But they are laser focused on their goals, all of which involve gaining sizable territory inside Pakistan as their base to spread to other parts of Pakistan. And any Pakistani, who even remotely is in empathy with them, is either naive or anti-Pakistan.

 

[Taimoor]

Lol

Source: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/...but-the-underlying-roots-of-extremism-remain/

Decline in terror attacks had nothing to do with IK

In fact terrorism started to go down since 2014 and same trend continued when IK became PM in August 2018. It is only after Kabul was conquered by Taliban in August 2021 that terrorism again saw an upward trend. Same Taliban who IK says have broken shackles of slavery and whom IK is dying to talk to

You forgot to put the headline of the article.


Commentary

Terrorism in Pakistan has declined, but the underlying roots of extremism remain​

Madiha Afzal​

January 15, 2021


And please enlighten us where are these funky graphs of yours are heading since 10 April 2022?

Look, IK was looking for political ways to pacify the eastern front (which he very successfully did) which includes ejection of America/India and all the hostile elements from Afghanistan, while moving focus back on India. I know this for a FACT.

Terrorism only raised it ugly head when this rat Asim Muneer and his henchman managed to torpedo that peaceful resolution of eastern flanks. Why you lot fail to grasp this, its their bread and butter! India is no longer a profitable enemy.

 

[El Sidd]

Imran Khan’s mistake as I have mentioned before is believing and calling Pakistan’s military as "our people". He is rotting in prison for a reason.

He is in protective custody from his own disillusioned supporters after one of them shot him in the leg.

For the record he did say that the army was 'his' army after scheming to rule in government for he wished 12 to 14 years.

His supporters were very vocal in implying that the deal has been struck for his Raj over Pakistan for the foreseeable future. There's no political cohesion in his support base and utter fundamental principled discord on most issues like foreign policy as well as any other matter. Aspirations of a socialist state however do bring the political mob together under Populismus.

 

[El Sidd]

How did the "we want the land, not the people " argument of the military work out in East Pakistan ? Then people wonder why the Pashtun and Baloch youth join militant groups. Before holding India responsible , ask yourself why RAW can't start insurgencies in Punjab and Sindh where it would be much easier to provide logistical support.

There's no reason to believe that Pakistan can have her territories back in Bengal. The political map of Pakistan as an ideological country is rather felxible.

 

[Forsvaret]

His supporters were very vocal in implying that the deal has been struck for his Raj over Pakistan for the foreseeable future.

Whatever "deal" he had with the military back then wasn’t based on Form 47 (an illegitimate way of counting votes and thus staying in power indefinitely), like your "democratic" PDM has done.

 

[El Sidd]

Whatever "deal" he had with the military back then wasn’t based on form 47 type of staying in power indefinitely, like your "democratic" PDM has done.

It's called charter of democracy.

Mr. Niazi can run a Tehreek or a movement but not a political party.

 

[Forsvaret]

It's called charter of democracy.

Charter of "democracy" where people’s votes are no longer counted but imposed illegitimately through barrel of the gun to suit PDM parties?

 

[Fatman17]

You and others could certainly benefit from reading veteran journalist Ahmad Rasheed's book about the origin of the Taliban in Afghanistan.
A sweeping summary is that after the Soviets left Afghanistan in 1989, the Mujahideen were slaughtering each other for years and there was a great strife in Afghanistan to which Pakistan had to intervene and supported the one group--the Taliban--who were likely to be Pakistan's allies, who were the least corrupt, and who would bring stability to Afghanistan. All that was proven right strategy for Pakistan and Afghanistan until 9/11 happened.
But the original, biggest mistake Pakistan made was joining the Americans to fight the Soviets starting 1979 and in that historic mistake, Pakistan allowed religious extremism to flourish as a tool to more effectively fight the Soviets AND allowed freedom to millions of Afghan refugees to settle into various parts of Pakistan. The primary culprit for that the Proto Taliban President Zia ul Haq. Whatever followed from that is logical development, right up to now. I remember Pervez Hoodbhoy in 1982 written in Dawn newspaper about the coming blow back. 1982!!!!

Thank you Professor
From 1980-88 they were known as the Freedom Fighters or Mujahideen. Zia died in 1988 and BB government came into power. The Taliban were formed in 1989 as the US decided to ditch the Afghan problem on Pakistan.
Ahmed Rasheed BTW l have met at a friend's house in Karachi. A right Brown Sb.

 

[Fatman17]

It's called charter of democracy.

Mr. Niazi can run a Tehreek or a movement but not a political party.

 

[side-winder]

I am surprised - people are still stuck at that stage of "we should talk to Militants and try to find out what they want".

I throught we really were way past that stage and reached the consensus as a nation that we have to finish off this fitnah by force - You guys still confused about what they want? They want to take over the country and implement whatever the Shariah concept they have. Are you guys ok with that? Being ruled by Taliban? If the answer is yes - please support the "talks" and people who advocate for it.

If the answer is No - then i am sorry - get back to your senses - there is no other option than to fight and eliminate this Khawarij Fitnah - Do you think they will stop if Military stops operations and gets out of tribal areas? Nah my friends - soon the fire of so called Jihad will be reaching your homes in Punjab and Sindh.

All that debate about who created Taliban and the mistakes our Generals made - is useless now - what's done is done - looking forward - there is only one goal - how to rid our country of this Fitnah and bring lasting stability.