Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[shanipisces2002]

honestly speaking I don't trust the Arabs!!

 

[hodor]

Could a NATO-style “nuclear sharing” arrangement be possible in the future?

 

[BrigSmart]

Pakistan has always provided chowkidari services to the Gulf states, so there is nothing new about that. If you strip aside the charade, the only substantive purpose of this agreement is the house of Saud trying to signal that it has bought Pakistani nukes and that Israel, Iran, the Houthies and others should take that into account before considering strikes against Saudi interests. The only interesting questions are if this implicit nuclear umbrella is credible, how Saudi Arabia's adversaries, Israel and United States will react to it and how Pakistan will handle the inevitable bloeback that will be brought to its doorstep as a result.

 

[RajaBaja]

Saudi Arabia has significant investments in India, so they won’t attack India alongside us. However, they may provide us with financial support for new toys, and we, in turn, could offer them military assistance

A defense pact is a defense pact. They can't say "we can't hold our side of the bargain, but you must attack Israel when time comes for us". So if Pakistan is attacked, we'll have:
1) Saudia weapons and soldiers
2) Saudia's financial support, re-supply, etc.

More than anything, India has been check mated. The gulf nations host millions of Indians, hundreds of billions of dollar worth of FDI is sent to India from these nations. After America, the Middle East runs India. India is now force to limit it's aggression to verbal only. They can't risk losing hundreds of billions of dollars a year so no further wars! Modi is out of options.


What you aren't seeing here is a full check mate to India from ALL 4 sides.

1: Through the limited war, a humiliated defeat that resulted in Pakistan's rise to a regional power and a net security provider in the region and that's why the defense contract is signed.

2: The US and the other big powers: Favor Pakistan. With ALL major powers now tilting to Pakistani narrative of peace and that India has become a Hindutva hard state, sponsoring terrorism all across the world, be it the USA, Canada, UK, Sri Lanka or Pakistan.

3: India went to China to create friendship. China said it will welcome it, only if 1: India accepts Chinese leadership 2: Creates peace in the region especially with Pakistan.

So India is now in a bind, it can't get out, it can't afford further hostility with Pakistan where it can risk losing billions of dollars from the middle east alone. Forget fighting a superior regional power. Game has finished!

So if India launches Sand Door 2 then it's all go from Saudi?
Just deliveries of their advanced jets would be insane.
This also seems very grey.

Any Sindoor or Hindutva drama is finished for good. India's been check mated from 4 sides.

 

[Taimoor]

You seem to be completely ignorant about the history of America's major military alliance. The only time NATO's Article 5 has ever been invoked was in the defence of the United States after 9/11 and the allies all helped the US in the subsequent wars.

The bottomline of this alliance is that Saudi's enemies will be Pakistan's enemies but Pakistan's enemies will not be Saudi's enemies. In fact, Saudi Arabia clearly said their relationship with India is the strongest it has ever been and will continue to get stronger in the same breath they signed the agreement. Would Pakistan have dared to say the same about Israel , or even Iran or the Houthies ?

Many Pakistani including me have the apprehension about Saudi response in future Pakistan-India conflicts. But if, Saudis are coughing up the money and the end result is that PAF transforming into a theatre based air force, in sheer numbers, then game is up for India. PAF already dominates IAF as things stands.

 

[Shakehands]

Pakistan has always provided chowkidari services to the Gulf states, so there is nothing new about that. If you strip aside the charade, the only substantive purpose of this agreement is the house of Saud trying to signal that it has bought Pakistani nukes and that Israel, Iran, the Houthies and others should take that into account before considering strikes against Saudi interests. The only interesting questions are if this implicit nuclear umbrella is credible, how Saudi Arabia's adversaries, Israel and United States will react to it and how Pakistan will handle the inevitable bloeback that will be brought to its doorstep as a result.

After a long time Pakistan got izaat on such level so let us celebrate first because we deserve this couple week happiness but the fact is Pakistani has no idea what’s coming next. Delusional!

 

[aurelianpilled]

Clips of PM getting a grand reception by the Crown Prince MBS

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[Baibers_1260]

Because there is no need. As long as Pakistan can unite Saudi Arabia, Türkiye, and Iran, they can completely destroy Israel by supporting the Syrians, Lebanese, and Palestinians in a protracted war of attrition.

Pakistan is in no position to unite Turkey Iran and Saudi Arabia. Each of these nations have their own interests. None of them are going to fight Israel. Iran, will never fight Israel again after the damage sustained to its infrastructure and the assassinations of its entire military, scientific and political leadership. Syria, has disintegrated and the old Russian backed Syrian Arab Army is history. Lebanon has no armed forces to speak of and with Hezbollah crushed out of existence it is likely to capitulate like Syria. So far as the Palestinians are concerned they are a doomed people. Palestinians will shortly emigrate from their enclaves just as East Prussians emigrated from East Prussia into oblivion after World War 2.

1. Pakistanis are not going to fight for Palestinians ( or Saudi Arabia ) and risk severe destruction of its air defense and nuclear weapons assets, like what happened to Iran. No country will fight for Pakistan if it antagonizes Israel or the USA. Pakistan's prime enemy is India. A weakened Pakistan heavily under air and missile attack from Israel will be a walkover for complete defeat surrender and occupation by India. Pakistan will cease to exist as a nation. Pakistan will suffer a fate similar to Kashmir, facing depopulation, demographic change, religious and cultural oppression and slavery. The much hyped option of "nuclear martyrdom " will not work as Pakistan has no capability to retaliate against adversaries in a Middle East conflict.
2. The Saudi-Pakistan Mutual Defense treaty is a worthless scrap of paper that has no substance for either Pakistan or Saudi Arabia, so far as defense of their respective territories is concerned.
3. The "Treaty " is solely intended to secure the House of Saud from an internal situation of discontent amongst its people who fear their country might be reduced to a Gaza like status. Whether an attack on Saudi Arabia happens or not, remains to be seen but this "Treaty " will not prevent such a situation if it happens.

 

[BrigSmart]

The senior Saudi official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, acknowledged the need to balance relations with Pakistan and India, also a nuclear power.
"Our relationship with India is more robust than it has ever been. We will continue to grow this relationship and seek to contribute to regional peace whichever way we can."

And there goes the balloon deflated! Its like Western European would say they have NATO defence treaty with Eastern Europeans but their business partnership with Russia is stronger than ever, which they will continue to grow for regional peace.

Let us be serious. This is not a reciprocal agreement in any real sense. The only reason for calling it a "mutual defence agreement " is to save both sides the blushes. The House of Saud will not openly say they need Pakistani help to protect themselves and the Pakistani regime doesn't want to openly admit they are mercenaries for hire.

 

[Broghil]

All things aside even if this treaty doesn't hold for a single month still it's priceless to see and read padosi's reactions and comments on social media.
The whole Pacific ocean filled with barnal might not be sufficient.

 

[Taimoor]

For Pakistan, the strategic and economic benefits of signing a mutual defense agreement with Saudi Arabia are multi-dimensional:

1. Strengthened National Defense and Deterrence: The pact stipulates that any attack on Pakistan will be regarded as an attack on Saudi Arabia, and vice versa. This guarantees Pakistan the military backing of a major Middle-Eastern power when facing external threats, markedly raising its deterrence—especially in stand-offs with India.

2. Potential Extension of a Nuclear Umbrella: Although not officially stated, the accord has been portrayed as “a comprehensive defense pact covering all military means,” widely interpreted to include Pakistan’s nuclear deterrent. In effect, Islamabad could extend a nuclear umbrella over Riyadh, enhancing its own strategic stature in the Muslim world.

3. Deepened Military Cooperation and Training: Joint exercises, intelligence sharing and personnel training will be expanded. Pakistan has trained Saudi servicemen since 1967 (more than 8,200 to date); the treaty institutionalizes this cooperation and boosts the export of Pakistani military instructors and hardware.

4. Anticipated Economic Support and Investment: While the text itself contains no economic clauses, Prime Minister Sharif’s visit is expected to unlock Saudi financial aid or investment commitments at a time when Pakistan is grappling with a foreign-exchange crunch and tough IMF-loan conditions. Riyadh may provide budgetary support or concessional oil supplies.

5. Enhanced Regional and International Profile: The accord positions Pakistan at the core of Middle-Eastern security architecture, transcending its traditional South-Asian identity and making it a pivotal security broker linking South Asia, the Gulf and the wider Islamic world. This leverage can be used within the OIC and other multilateral forums.

6. Balanced Diplomatic Relationships: Riyadh insists the pact is not aimed at any third country and will not affect its ties with India, yet by locking itself into a tight security partnership with Saudi Arabia, Pakistan gains a counter-weight to India’s growing cooperation with Gulf states, preserving its own strategic maneuvering room.

In short, the treaty is more than a military alliance; it is a critical step for Pakistan—amid fiscal hardship and regional isolation—to secure protection, economic breathing space and a strategic reboot.




From now on, the Pakistan Air Force is destined to be an enviable career: serve the country with loyalty, then move on to Saudi Arabia after retirement, with both paths offering bright prospects.

Zoom out and net beneficiary is China both economically and more importantly, geopolitically.

 

[RajaBaja]

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he is the author of Indian nuclear doctrine!

seems worried, at least ostentatiously!

Pakistan has over night become a Regional Power with proper financial backing. Soon, the defense pact will expand to include other middle eastern nations and even more (let this be a surprise).

Indian offensive mind against Pakistan is over. India is having a lucky year, they finished their animosity towards China themselves. And the Saudia finished their animosity towards Pakistan through this agreement.

India gets hundreds of billions of dollars from the middle east through its massive population there and investments, they can't risk any of it. Result? full stop to future aggression against Pakistan. Only verbal diarrhea allowed.

I support this latest development despite the fact that Saudis are looking for able partner who can defend them form the aggression of Israel.

Saudis won’t come to help if Pakistan and India engage in another conflict but they can support us financially…

India's "big power" drama has ended. It risks losing hundreds of billions of dollars annually in investments / FDI from the Middle East if is pisses off the Saudis by attacking Pakistan now.

Hindutva lovers now need to chill in mandirs and do "ram ram".

 

[Mobius]

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[Ali_Baba]

Qatar for sure. Unsure about UAE. Think they will keep betting on US and hope Israel takes mercy on them

UAE right now cannot be trusted. Their actions have been quite illogical for the last few years and make little sense for the region. Who is pulling(/pushing UAE) in the direction they are going in, and why, is an unknown right now.

 

[Mobius]

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