Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[Tamerlane]

I’ve read every single post in this thread (over 1,500) and I’m a person who really wanted to believe that this was the beginning of an Islamic defense alliance. However, I’ve come to the conclusion that it was all a drama, a charade to fool the masses that their leaders are doing something.

The dramatic scenes of little Shahbaz being escorted by Saudi jets and given the sort of treatment reserved for Emperors should have alerted us to something being fishy. I bet when Shahbaz went to Qatar they came up with the plan to do something dramatic.

In reality the Americans have full spectrum dominance over GCC states and aren’t going to allow anyone to muscle their way in. Pakistan doesn’t have the wherewithal to do much. I believe little Shahbaz is going to the US soon and may tell them they were only kidding.

The only thing Pakistan may do is station some soldiers in Saudi Arabia to suppress any uprising within the country. Some generals may get lucrative assignments. Some more workers may get visas. That’s about it.

I hope I’m wrong, but that’s my opinion for the time being.

 

[The SC]

The potential war includes Egypt for the control of the Suez Canal.. as well as Syria, Lebanon and Iraq and Jordan.. Therefore, it includes Saudi Arabia and the Gulf. In fact, it includes China, Russia, and the whole world.

In other words.. Prepare for war.. And bring nuclear bombs deterrent today before tomorrow.. They will coordinate with the Chinese and Russians to paralyze the F-35.

As for the withdrawal in the face of Israel, which has been moving at an orderly pace for years guided by the West and its agenda for the region, this means the end of the Middle East as we know it.

The West has come to confront, and we must confront. Whoever refuses to confront now will face the confrontation tomorrow and in worse circumstances...

 

[Cash gk]

Yes, I was mad at him too when IK was interned....

But, there's a bold line separating day-to-day politics from existence of a state. A king can be replaced by another king, but when the kingdom is gone it requires centuries to win it back....

But still people of Pakistan will not forget his cruelty against people of Pakistan.

 

[HRK]

they can easily buy the technology from North Korea..

One can never buy a technology, you only buy right to use, like mobile phones, computers, automobile, jets etc. etc. but in this particular case we can't even buy it.

Technology is a byproduct of knowledge and knowledge is always gained through the process of learning.... There is no shortcut

 

[Watandar]

I am liking to challenge you on geopolitics because you and I had some very good exchanges about my travelogue to Pakistan but it is hard to ignore your slant against anything the State of Pakistan does. You are consistent on that.

Pakistan economy is in bad shape, institutions are destroyed, human rights non existent, bureaucracy hugely bloated and corrupt, and country surviving off remittances, IMF bailouts and mercenary work. Is this something to praise ?

Be consistent but be open about your views. I believe you are an Imran Khan supporter unwilling to let go of the Messiah Khan, even though he is veritably on his deserved political deathbed.

Don't make assumptions that people who disagree with your views are automatically Imran Khan supporters.

The seizure of the rich Arab countries' assets is the BIGGEST threat those countries face, and by extension, the hundrends of millions of people face. The 'cowardice' this forum blame on the Arab World, has just not factored in the far reaching consequences.

Far fetched scenario to justify doing nothing in the face of genocide. Nobody asked rich Arabs or Muslims to fight Israel, just humble economic and diplomatic actions to impose a cost. By doing nothing, Israel felt emboldened to attack GCC itself.

 

[Cash gk]

Erm no to the UAE devils.

Qatar is cool but it's tough at the moment with the Israeli strike.

To be honest Pakistan can't and shouldn't guarantee anything to the Gulf. Keep it at Saudi.

I would disagree with you. Pakistan must sign this deal at all costs, and all Arab countries should also take part in it, because their banks and budgets are huge. You cannot imagine how much leverage Pakistan could gain. Pakistan’s energy needs would be met, it would gain major economic benefits, and the weapons manufactured by China would also be co-developed by Pakistan and Turkey. As a result, massive investment would flow into Pakistan.

The Arab states have also realized that the weapons they have bought from the United States over the past fifty or sixty years hold no real value. At any time, their programs could be shut down, their codes could be changed, and those weapons could never be used against Israel.

Moreover, the agreements being signed now will not be opposed by the world, because the atrocities committed by Israel and its Western allies are clear for everyone to see. American and British world order was destroyed by their own Ally, Israel. reason why King invited Trump to Palace to talk about Nathayahu fucked American and Western lead world order in 2 years

 

[Cash gk]

No .... But has directly secured Nuclear Umbrella

Two very different situations

Yes they have

 

[ihussain]

What facts? 450K Pakistanis moving to SA vs 200K Indians in 2024 are official figures.

Brother,
can you please share the link?

Also curious about what kind of jobs those 200K secured (I’ve heard most landed white-collar positions) compared to the 450K Pakistanis.

Thanks,

 

[HRK]

No one thought Pakistan and Saudi Arabia will sign security pact

Let see what happen in future ....

KSA have its clout in Middle east I believe some other countries are more likely to join in then Qatar or UAE infact UAE has security policies which are very independent of KSA influence like building foreign military bases in region like Socotra and it's policy in Libia.

Therefore I think UAE itself will chose stay out of these kind of arrangement specially with Pakistan

 

[Meengla]

Pakistan economy is in bad shape, institutions are destroyed, human rights non existent, bureaucracy hugely bloated and corrupt, and country surviving off remittances, IMF bailouts and mercenary work. Is this something to praise ?

Firstly, you ARE an Imran Khan supporter and I am a firm supporter of the current setup. I don't hide that and neither should you your allegiance. It is fine to have the disagreements; both POV are needed. But I offer a path forward for Pakistan: Consistent policies, stability, and focus for the next 15-20 years. What do YOU and similar Imran supporters offer? Criticism of everything without solutions beyond they vague promises against 'corruption' and about standing up to America. What have you offered? I see not so hidden endorsements of the Taliban, of your posts aligning with the Indians, of poo poohhing anything positive coming out of Pakistan. Really, be honest and put your cards our in front. I don't hide mine. I hate those who kill Pakistanis, whether civilians or the soldiers! I don't equivocate about my views with IFS/BUTTS.
Also, Pakistan is just pulling itself away from the precipice--maybe Michael Kugelman's Tweet posted above didn't move your needle but to me Pakistan has avoided the worst part which was staring down Pakistan just 2-3 years ago. Pakistan has moved forward, something you and other Imran Khan supporters are not willing to accept.
Please be honest and open about your views.

 

[Pradotlc]

Whatever triggered it, doesn't matter. What matters are the effects. Which is the Muslim nations - ummah- coming together and collaborating.

yes to save one's own skin...

pretty elementary human trait...

 

[HRK]

I’ve read every single post in this thread (over 1,500) and I’m a person who really wanted to believe that this was the beginning of an Islamic defense alliance. However, I’ve come to the conclusion that it was all a drama, a charade to fool the masses that their leaders are doing something.

The dramatic scenes of little Shahbaz being escorted by Saudi jets and given the sort of treatment reserved for Emperors should have alerted us to something being fishy. I bet when Shahbaz went to Qatar they came up with the plan to do something dramatic.

In reality the Americans have full spectrum dominance over GCC states and aren’t going to allow anyone to muscle their way in. Pakistan doesn’t have the wherewithal to do much. I believe little Shahbaz is going to the US soon and may tell them they were only kidding.

The only thing Pakistan may do is station some soldiers in Saudi Arabia to suppress any uprising within the country. Some generals may get lucrative assignments. Some more workers may get visas. That’s about it.

I hope I’m wrong, but that’s my opinion for the time being.

Rome was not built in a day .....

Brother if both Pakistan and KSA work in most efficient manner with all the resources and sincerity they could not achieve the desire outcome before 3 to 5 years.

Placing few battalions or even a brigade is not enough to place a credible deterrence against aggression

Currently We simply do not have enough logistics, resources both human and material available to achieve objective of Mutual defense

 

[The SC]

One can never buy a technology, you only buy right to use, like mobile phones, computers, automobile, jets etc. etc. but in this particular case we can't even buy it.

Technology is a byproduct of knowledge and knowledge is always gained through the process of learning.... There is no shortcut

I mean the know how..North Korea has deep links in the Arab world and besides that ..it hates Israel..

Its first Scud missiles ever..were handed to it by Egypt..

 

[The SC]

Far fetched scenario to justify doing nothing in the face of genocide. Nobody asked rich Arabs or Muslims to fight Israel, just humble economic and diplomatic actions to impose a cost. By doing nothing, Israel felt emboldened to attack GCC itself.

To the contrary..they've attacked Qatar to threaten the GCC because it was standing in their faces with its economic and diplomatic actions to impose a cost..a big cost indeed..the GCC has used all its power to influence Europe and others to support the two state solution and mopped the floors of the whole world with Israel's face and reputation..that is a big achievement in its self given the circumstances with the full backing of Israel by the US.. it is also a defiance in the face of the latter..

 

[Watandar]

Firstly, you ARE an Imran Khan supporter and I am a firm supporter of the current setup.

I am neither.

I don't hide that and neither should you your allegiance. It is fine to have the disagreements; both POV are needed.

Find an Imran Khan supporter then so they can gave you their POV.

But I offer a path forward for Pakistan: Consistent policies, stability, and focus for the next 15-20 years.

Awesome, only issue is every regime in Pakistani history claimed same.

What do YOU and similar Imran supporters offer?

I would like for Pakistan to move away from foreign clientalism established in the Ayub era and instead follow the examples of China or Korea.

Criticism of everything without solutions beyond they vague promises against 'corruption' and about standing up to America. What have you offered?

I can criticize as much as I want and there is plenty to criticize in broken Pakistani society and polity. My humble solutions are also there.

I see not so hidden endorsements of the Taliban,

how exactly ? I regard Pakistani policy in Afghanistan post 1980 a disaster. You may be confusing me with someone else.

Really, be honest and put your cards our in front. I don't hide mine.

I am helpless in front of your clairvoyance. I merely have words.

I hate those who kill Pakistanis, whether civilians or the soldiers! I don't equivocate about my views with IFS/BUTTS.

You are angry that I criticize those who created the monsters that kill Pakistani civilians and soldiers in the first place ? And who keep same policies in place ? Well I think my way is better.

Also, Pakistan is just pulling itself away from the precipice--maybe Michael Kugelman's Tweet posted above didn't move your needle but to me Pakistan has avoided the worst part which was staring down Pakistan just 2-3 years ago.

That's great. I would suggest you also look up boom bust cycles in Pakistan economy to get a more longer term view.

Pakistan has moved forward, something you and other Imran Khan supporters are not willing to accept.
Please be honest and open about your views.

my views are all in my posts but your imagination turns them into something else.