Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[_Arabia_]

They wanted the role for themselves, while they themselves are not militarily potent enough to protect their own country from the illegitimate entity

Nor to change the tide in their favour in neighbouring Libya nor Sudan.

The less said about Gaza next door the better as well.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing but positives in regards to Egypt as a country and people, we share geography, blood/ancestry (Saudi Arabians are the closest genetic cousins to pre-Islamic Egyptians outside of Egyptians themselves - look up modern DNA tests), ethnicity, language, culture, religion, geography, people to people ties etc.
None of this will ever change.

However due to population size and the "legacy" of Nasser, Egypt (those in power since 1953 - Egyptian military) see themselves as some kind of "guardian"/leaders of the Arab world (Arab League is headquartered in Cairo and they very much see it as "their thing") while they cannot back this up either militarily, politically nor economically. The only serious Muslim military in an all-out war against the Zionists/US is Pakistan and that is due to nukes. Not to mention that Pakistan is the strongest conventional Muslim military with a population exceeding 250 million and long-term and very deep strategic ties with KSA. It is a no brainer.

Not to mention that the Sisi regime is incompetent and inefficient and a regime that has made one blunder after the other. Their constant support for the Al-Assad regime is a good example.

Also they were/are not a serious ally, look no further than their "contribution" to the Yemen conflict. Sudan did 100 times more and for that alone, I personally consider the Sudanese government as a far more reliable and useful ally. Sudan is far richer in terms of resources and has very large agricultural areas/lands as well.

Geopolitically there is very little that Egypt can offer to KSA for KSA to "go all in with Egypt" at the expanse of Pakistan and others.

Also imagine that KSA signed such a pact with Egypt and not Pakistan. I know that Pakistan has challenges with corruption but it is nothing even remotely close to what we see in Egypt where the Egyptian militarily is running the country's economy and corruption is even higher which every independent data also confirms.

Egypt's domestic military production is also nowhere near that of Pakistan and far less advantageous to invest in for KSA than that of Pakistan.

Anyway, if that news is correct, I don't get what they (Sisi regime) is crying about, neither KSA nor Pakistan is hostile to Egypt.

Look in a perfect world, KSA would be/should invest in the Egyptian military and vice versa but if the Sisi regime is making a tantrum due to well-known KSA-Pakistan strategic ties, this cannot be possible de facto.

Don't forget that KSA(GCC as a whole) has helped keep Egypt (as a country) afloat in the past 15 years of turbulences and in fact much earlier than that too. Honestly, not sure, what KSA/GCC has gained from this other than a fairly stable Egypt next door and some economic deals/ties. Trade balances are all well but you would think that this relationship should/could have been much stronger/greater but somehow not the case for whatever reasons.

 

[krash]

There are no US military/foreign military bases in KSA nor US soldiers other than a few advisors or when there are joint military exercises.

Reportedly, they operate from Saudi Bases.

"2,321 in 2024 according to a White House letter".

"Some are stationed roughly 60 kilometres south of Riyadh, at Prince Sultan Air Base, which supports U.S. Army air defense assets including Patriot missile batteries and Terminal High Altitude Area Defense systems."

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-military-facilities-middle-east-2025-06-22/

Mapping US troops and military bases in the Middle East

There are between 40,000 and 50,000 US troops in the Middle East across at least 19 sites.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Dalit]

Nor to change the tide in their favour in neighbouring Libya nor Sudan.

The less said about Gaza next door the better as well.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing but positives in regards to Egypt as a country and people, we share geography, blood/ancestry (Saudi Arabians are the closest genetic cousins to pre-Islamic Egyptians outside of Egyptians themselves - look up modern DNA tests), ethnicity, language, culture, religion, geography, people to people ties etc.
None of this will ever change.

However due to population size and the "legacy" of Nasser, Egypt (those in power since 1953 - Egyptian military) see themselves as some kind of "guardian"/leaders of the Arab world (Arab League is headquartered in Cairo and they very much see it as "their thing") while they cannot back this up either militarily, politically nor economically. The only serious Muslim military in an all-out war against the Zionists/US is Pakistan and that is due to nukes. Not to mention that Pakistan is the strongest conventional Muslim military with a population exceeding 250 million and long-term and very deep strategic ties with KSA. It is a no brainer.

Not to mention that the Sisi regime is incompetent and inefficient and a regime that has made one blunder after the other. Their constant support for the Al-Assad regime is a good example.

Also they were/are not a serious ally, look no further than their "contribution" to the Yemen conflict. Sudan did 100 times more and for that alone, I personally consider the Sudanese government as a far more reliable and useful ally. Sudan is far richer in terms of resources and has very large agricultural areas/lands as well.

Geopolitically there is very little that Egypt can offer to KSA for KSA to "go all in with Egypt" at the expanse of Pakistan and others.

Also imagine that KSA signed such a pact with Egypt and not Pakistan. I know that Pakistan has challenges with corruption but it is nothing even remotely close to what we see in Egypt where the Egyptian militarily is running the country's economy and corruption is even higher which every independent data also confirms.

Egypt's domestic military production is also nowhere near that of Pakistan and far less advantageous to invest in for KSA than that of Pakistan.

Anyway, if that news is correct, I don't get what they (Sisi regime) is crying about, neither KSA nor Pakistan is hostile to Egypt.

It is the harsh truth, but it will hopefully take some time for Egypt to realise this. Unity is better than us versus them.

 

[_Arabia_]

Reportedly, they operate from Saudi Bases.

"2,321 in 2024 according to a White House letter".

"Some are stationed roughly 60 kilometres south of Riyadh, at Prince Sultan Air Base, which supports U.S. Army air defense assets including Patriot missile batteries and Terminal High Altitude Area Defense systems."

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-military-facilities-middle-east-2025-06-22/

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Mapping US troops and military bases in the Middle East

There are between 40,000 and 50,000 US troops in the Middle East across at least 19 sites.

www.aljazeera.com

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It is not a permanent/US military base to begin with but a Saudi Arabian military base that the US uses (with KSA's approval) as a logistics base whenever interacting in the region.

Also the increase of soldiers (overall a very small contingent) is due to heightened tensions in the region in recent years.

It is not comparable to actual permanent, many times larger, US bases in the region.

There are no such US bases in Egypt (Sinai) either despite what is shown on that map by Al-Jazeera.

Mind you, personally I am against any US presence (military) in the region but what can I do?

 

[Dalit]

Now he needs to inform the the IRGC loyalists too

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Iran, Pakistan, KSA and all other Islamic countries must come together. Put your differences aside and for once work for your own betterment and the betterment of the people.

 

[Dalit]

In politics there are no checkmates. There is no black and white, there is only gray. We stood by our own till now if we could sustain during 90’s this is not such a bad time. May be as Pakistani narrative we are irrelevant but world does not look at India with a Pakistani lense.

Neither does the world look at Pakistan from an Indian lense. Just ask Donald Trump.

 

[_Arabia_]

Iran, Pakistan, KSA and all other Islamic countries must come together. Put your differences aside and for once work for your own betterment and the betterment of the people.

In another timeline, if KSA and Iran had worked together genuinely as neighbours and there was trust between the regimes, goes for many other Muslim interactions between regimes/countries, imagine what could have been achieved since 1979 by the combined wealth, human resources, natural resources if genuine cooperation occurred? I think we would be looking at 2 nuclear armed Muslim-majority nations right now potentially.

Now I believe it is too late and it would not surprise me if the Iranian regime is on its last legs.

Overall a largely pathetic state of the Muslim world geopolitically but hopefully it will change for the better in the future. No reason why it SHOULD and COULD not.

None of us here are in power but I wish for nothing more than this KSA-Pakistan pact becoming a success story in all spheres and becoming a blueprint for future relations in the Muslim world.

It is not only about Islam/religion here but about increasing the power (in all spheres) and influence of Muslim countries and independence. What happens in Gaza and has happened in many areas of the Muslim world should not be repeated in the future because it only occurs in weak and divided Muslim nations either by the faults of local leaderships/people or outside interference or a combination.

We cannot afford for Pakistan and KSA to follow suit.

 

[Dalit]

In another timeline, if KSA and Iran had worked together genuinely as neighbours and there was trust between the regimes, goes for many other Muslim interactions between regimes/countries, imagine what could have been achieved since 1979 by the combined wealth, human resources, natural resources if genuine cooperation occurred? I think we would be looking at 2 nuclear armed Muslim-majority nations right now potentially.

Now I believe it is too late and it would not surprise me if the Iranian regime is on its last legs.

Overall a largely pathetic state of the Muslim world geopolitically but hopefully it will change for the better in the future. No reason why it SHOULD and COULD not.

If we won't learn now, obviously we won't learn anytime soon. There is finally some sanity prevailing. I hope this continues and grows.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

As the saying goes, ‘doodh ka doodh, paani ka paani ho gia.’ Milk and water got separated. The genocide in Gaza made it apparent who was a friend of Muslims and who was an enemy.

For a long time Indians have been the ones spreading Islamophobia on social media. A lot of it is driven by their own hatred for Muslims and a lot is because of Jewish funding.

Modi wins elections in India based on attacking Muslims. It’s a vote winning strategy and shows what the Hindus think of Muslims. So, it’s been a puzzle why Arab countries have been stuffing themselves with these haters.

Hindus’ gloating over dead Palestinians must have been an eye opener for them. Their spying for Israel may have been the final straw that broke the camel’s back.

Hopefully, GCC countries will phase out them out of their countries.

I don't think the rest of the world reports on the communal issues of india like Pakistan does, so most ordinary people around the world are unaware of or don't care about what goes on in India.

I don't know what Arab people do or think in their countries. I am only aware of what their Governments announce and assume that they have the public support behind them.

 

[Asfandyar Bhittani]

Iran, Pakistan, KSA and all other Islamic countries must come together. Put your differences aside and for once work for your own betterment and the betterment of the people.

The bigger the pact, the useless it is. Most "Islamic" countries are liabilities as treaty bound allies. Zero capabilities to offer to collective defense but a lot of baggage.

If someone wants a Muslim NATO, they must also follow NATO's footsteps. NATO's membership isn't automatic. New members have to be compatible with NATO. It's economy. It's political goals. It's foreign policy goals. It's political systems. And so on.

Without submitting to the basic principles of the alliance, NATO doesn't allow anybody in.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

@_Arabia_

how strong are Saudi soldiers mentally?

 

[_Arabia_]

The bigger the pact, the useless it is. Most "Islamic" countries are liabilities as treaty bound allies. Zero capabilities to offer to collective defense but a lot of baggage.

If someone wants a Muslim NATO, they must also follow NATO's footsteps. NATO's membership isn't automatic. New members have to be compatible with NATO. It's economy. It's political goals. It's foreign policy goals. It's political systems. And so on.

Without submitting to the basic principles of the alliance, NATO doesn't allow anybody in.

Well said, but somehow such an infrastructure must be developed and it can either happen independently in each select Muslim nation of importance or collectively. You have to start somewhere and despite the many disagreements collectively in regards to Muslim nations/leaderships, there are also elements/topics where a united position could be reached fairly recently or worked towards at least.

@_Arabia_

how strong are Saudi soldiers mentally?

Strong enough to make a difference/show their worth in very challenging and hostile mountainous terrain against the most heavily armed/most capable non-state actor in the world (de facto running a state already and unified with the Yemeni army loyal to them in Northern Yemen) in the form of the Houthis who are so far resisting US/UK/Western/Zionist bombings and military interventions pretty well compared to the rest (so far). Of course it was never an all-out war but still, it makes the Saudi Arabian army more battle-hardened (modern-day conflict as well) than most Muslim armies.

As for sacrifice, fighting spirit, religious zeal, all deeply ingrained within the average Saudi Arabian soldier. Mind you, most Saudi Arabian soldiers on the frontline, most of them (as in most countries of the world) are from the lower classes or lower middle classes (with exceptions of course but overall) and with a good pay and nowadays a fairly prestigious career, there is something to fight for here. Outside of that you have the tribal/clan loyalty/affiliations, mostly seen in SANG but also many branches in the military, where upper middle class/highest classes are also very represented and were honour/not losing face (as 1 factor alone) is enough to create capable and willing soldiers on the battlefield.

Also don't forget that in the past 10 + years, the state has done a lot to increase patriotism/nationalism (sometimes, in my view, taken it too far as I explained earlier in this thread many pages back) (not only tied to Islamic zeal mostly as was the case in the past) so the upcoming generations (2/3 of all of Saudi Arabia's population is below 30 - one of the youngest societies on earth) are much more nationalistic than my generation (late millennials). Back then everything that the state did, at least what was being told/the prevalent opinion, was for the sake of Islam and Islamic causes. Earlier generations were even more exposed to it (Sahwa era) which gave rise to some estimated 50.000 Saudi Arabians taken up arms abroad in various conflict zones across the world from Afghanistan, Chechnya, Iraq, Yemen, Bosnia etc. etc. For good and bad.

Some of the most capable/feared fighters in those conflicts were from KSA. Just ask the Russians in Afghanistan and Chechnya and the Americans in Iraq.

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Even those that volunteered wrongly/were fooled/brainwashed and joined the likes of ISIS, they were pretty hardcore/fearless by all accounts much like the Chechens and others.

So in terms of fighting capabilities (not even talking about 1400 + years of Islamic military legacy from France/Spain to China - done by sons Arabia) there is fear from my part for the average soldier.

 

[Broghil]

Now he needs to inform the the IRGC loyalists too

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Modi is like .... Kia howa tera wahda

 

[brazensword]

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Grass > No grass

 

[RescueRanger]

Grass > No grass

True.