Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[PakFactor]

Yeah let's forget what the people getting bombed actually want, let's forget what the regional powers want, and instead we should worry what the founder of Pakistan said regarding Israel?

Baki sab founder ki batain man li hain?

The stupid hills that we sometimes want to die on...

George Washington wanted the United States to stay out of the affairs of the Europeans; had the U.S. followed through, we would have been living in a different world. The U.S. acted when given an opportunity to assert itself.

If we do not act like the U.S. and assert ourselves, and if we maneuver by emotions, we will not change or adapt to the environment. Businesses fail when they fail to adapt and read the environment in which they will be operating. Jinnah's era is much different from the one our Lord Asim Munir lived in.

 

[the vicious kind]

Let’s be real here, the choice was either this deal or a complete genocide and annexation of Palestine.

Yes, there are some ridiculous points in the 21-point peace plan , like putting Tony Blair and Donald Trump in charge of Gaza’s governance. but there are also a few silver linings worth noting:

• Immediate Ceasefire: If both sides agree to the proposal, the war will end immediately, and Israeli forces will withdraw from Gaza.
  
  
• No Forced Displacement: No one will be forced to leave Gaza; those who wish to stay can do so freely.
  
  
• Interfaith Dialogue & Path to Statehood: a credible pathway to Palestinian self-determination and eventual statehood.
  
  
• Unhindered Humanitarian Aid: The entry and distribution of aid in Gaza will proceed without interference from either side, managed by international organizations.
  

 

[Watandar]

Ok, give an alternate.

What trade, communication, or diplomatic recognition finesse can the muslim world can do to stop the current status quo? What other magic wand can we wave?

You can withhold trade, communication, diplomatic recognition until a proper Palestinian state is established and Israel commits to changing its behavior.

Or if even that is too much for you then until a Palestinian state is actually established and respected by Israel.

But seems you are too eager to surrender because you believe somehow it will lead to peace and prosperity.

 

[Unknowntruth]

Ok, give an alternate.

What trade, communication, or diplomatic recognition finesse can the muslim world can do to stop the current status quo? What other magic wand can we wave?

It’s not about a magic wand, it is about what is the Muslim world willing to do.

There are over 50 Muslim majority countries and vast oil wealth that can be used.

Trillions of dollars were invested by Gulf countries without even bargaining this money.

There are bases all over the Middle East that the U.S. needs.

It is not about what can we do but what are they willing to do.

 

[krash]

How many civilians were killed by Hamas vs how many of their own civilians were killed by Israels own hands under the Hannibal directive?

Doesn't matter. The Israelis are scum, you don't give them excuses to butcher your own when you have nothing to fight back with. Doing so is either idiotic or has a hidden agenda.

 

[eIsQengiz]

Sinwar starting this war was very sus from a tactical point of view and it was pointless and Netanyahu taking his bait was pointless also. It was an unwanted war by all sides imposed on ppl by Sinwar. It doesn´t make intellectual sense to me why he even started

It’s wrong to claim suggest Sinwar started this war. On the contrary, it was the Israeli butchers who imposed the Nakba, and they have never ceased to kill, maim, and expel the native arabs, including in countless invasions (2014, 2018, etc.). Sinwar's martyrdom was not in vain, but he shed his blood despite having deserved a better life and be with loved ones in his senior age. How can we say that Sinwar Aqsa flood is meaningless when he bravely faced the agony of life imprisonment at the hands of a terrorist state for his belief in freedom? Frankly, Israel's terms are based on tactics designed to force the local population into total surrender and to give up their lands and lives. These measures include forced demographic change, displacement, the blockade of Gaza, cultural erasure, economic exploitation, mass murder, and psychological intimidation. This was a Zionist plan to prevent the local population from ever resisting.

 

[hussain0216]

Let’s be real here, the choice was either this deal or a complete genocide and annexation of Palestine.

Yes, there are some ridiculous points in the 21-point peace plan , like putting Tony Blair and Donald Trump in charge of Gaza’s governance. but there are also a few silver linings worth noting:

• Immediate Ceasefire: If both sides agree to the proposal, the war will end immediately, and Israeli forces will withdraw from Gaza.
  
  
• No Forced Displacement: No one will be forced to leave Gaza; those who wish to stay can do so freely.
  
  
• Interfaith Dialogue & Path to Statehood: a credible pathway to Palestinian self-determination and eventual statehood.
  
  
• Unhindered Humanitarian Aid: The entry and distribution of aid in Gaza will proceed without interference from either side, managed by international organizations.

You would have to be STUPID to think this is a deal

STOP WITH THE STUPID

They are offering you occupation or death and if you accept occupation you will get death anyway


This is not a deal it's a TRAP


It's time for the Arabs and the region to be clear
This deal where Trump and Blaire rule Gaza and Israel isn't punished for genocide is INTOLERABLE

PALESTINE needs freedom and independence away from the Jews
Not a occupation that's justified through agreement because the Palestinians are suffering so much


The suffering of the Palestinians is not a excuse to get them occupied forever, it's the basis to push for their freedom

 

[Unknowntruth]

Doesn't matter. The Israelis are scum, you don't give them excuses to butcher your own when you have nothing to fight back with. Doing so is either idiotic or has a hidden agenda.

Let me get an answer to this.

If October 7 did not happen, would Israel still be expanding illegal settlements and butchering Palestinians in the West Bank?

 

[Falcon29]

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[PakFactor]

It’s not about a magic wand, it is about what is the Muslim world willing to do.

There are over 50 Muslim majority countries and vast oil wealth that can be used.

Trillions of dollars were invested by Gulf countries without even bargaining this money.

There are bases all over the Middle East that the U.S. needs.

It is not about what can we do but what are they willing to do.

You answered your question: the buck stops with those 50 countries. If they learned how to assert themselves and diversify, they wouldn't have all their eggs in one basket, making it easier for a single external player to assert total control and dominion over their affairs.

 

[the vicious kind]

Pakistan’s stance has always supported the creation of a separate Palestinian state, not Hamas’ unrealistic aim of annexing Israel, so let’s get that straight.

There is nothing new in this peace plan; it has been in the works for over two years. The reality is simple, it was either this deal or complete genocide. Especially when winter comes in, hundred of thousands will be left without shelter.

And let’s be honest, how exactly do you expect Muslims to eliminate a nuclear-armed state that has the backing of a global superpower? How do you kick the Israelis out of jerusalem, when they are backed by the military industrial might of the U.S?

It is time to deal with facts, not fantasies. Even Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) chose migration from Makkah in the face of persecution, preserving his followers and faith rather than embracing unnecessary destruction and elimination.

It remains to be seen, how hamas are going to react. Currently , they are willing to fight Israel to the last palestinian.

 

[Falcon29]

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[Unknowntruth]

You answered your question: the buck stops with those 50 countries. If they learned how to assert themselves and diversify, they wouldn't have all their eggs in one basket, making it easier for a single external player to assert total control and dominion over their affairs.

The problem is the Islamic world of over 50 countries and over 2 billion of the world’s population fails to see the power it holds.

 

[Falcon29]

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[Falcon29]

Senior Hamas official Mahmoud Mardawi:

– “Trump’s plan has not reached us or any Palestinian party so far, and we have not reviewed it. Its clauses, however, are close to the Israeli vision.”

– “The weapons of the resistance have never been used to aggress against anyone; their purpose is freedom and independence.”

– “What happened was an attempt to stifle the international momentum and the growing recognitions of the Palestinian state. The provisions announced in Trump’s plan are vague and lack guarantees.”

– “We will not accept any proposal that does not include the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and protection from massacres.”

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