Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

It has been discussed many times and I have put it a number of times.
You would need to work a lttile.
From international media what I have gathered is that you have not only humiliated your country but that of France and Russia.
Your airforce and it's command has been the laughing stock since may.
But godi media is very optimistic and will see the light through the modi a hole
 
These flames are completely inconclusive unfortunately and count as plain conjecture

its too bad we all thought this guy would be better than bajwa but it does not seem like the case. It made no sense to make him a FM specially bcaz the win was by PAF. This guy stole all their thunder and limelight....this is why people love the PAF and PN, but have concerns/reservations on the army generals

at this point i am not even sure how things may turn out next time bcaz these guys always wait for the enemy to attack and they sit and watch
@Panzerkiel ur thoughts on this.
 
@Panzerkiel

this sir creek issue developing - what is your take?
Indian Air Chief & Indian Army Chief with defense minister has started ranting again
Of course there have been some deployments (offensive/defensive) from our side which are surely pinching them alot... Including couple of platform-types which mauled them alot in May.
 
TBH that one indian member had a point, you show restraint through a position of strength not while getting bombed left and right by the enemy. I hope Hafiz Sahb suffers for his poor decision, I swear to God we could have ended these indian shannigans had we replied strongly and immediately without wasting any time. @Panzerkiel did the delay in retaliation cost us?.
 
It has been discussed many times and I have put it a number of times.
You would need to work a lttile.

So what exactly was the point of all of that? Behind all the Sindoor PR this was a military operation and it must have had an objective. What was that?

Was this objective achieved? Has Pakistan been deterred?

Let's ignore the losses on either side for a bit and talk purely about what has been achieved for India (or maybe Modi himself) from this.
 
Are we expecting some incursion from India??


yes, my reading only!

they want us to bleed to death, start of which was 2019 and political crisis in Pak, which peaked in 2023!


for instance in Bangladesh, they waited for 6 years to do the same!


BTW, @Vkdindian1 , AH you have loads of words, what about post 40680, han?!!!

I will ram few words through your skull!
 
yes, my reading only!

they want us to bleed to death, start of which was 2019 and political crisis in Pak, which peaked in 2023!
They can't bleed us to death, one of the very notion behind the may attack was that they thought, we were preoccupied in the tribals, they can't, first is we have quite an appetite for taking casualties second we are quite good at CT ops.
 
ISPR
Rawalpindi, 4 October 2025:


We have noted with grave concern the delusional, provocative and jingoistic statements coming from the highest levels of the Indian security establishment. These irresponsible statements indicate a renewed attempt at fabricating arbitrary pretexts for aggression - a prospect which might lead to serious consequences for peace and stability in South Asia.

For decades, India has benefitted from playing the victim card and painting Pakistan in negative light, while stoking violence and perpetrating terrorism in South Asia and beyond. This narrative has been sufficiently debunked and now the world recognises India as the true face of cross-border terrorism and the epi-centre of regional instability.

Earlier this year, the Indian aggression against Pakistan brought two nuclear powers to the brink of a major war. However, India seems to have forgotten the wreckage of its fighter jets and the wrath of Pakistan’s long range vectors. Suffering from collective amnesia, India now seems to be aching for the next round of confrontation.

In the face of highly provocative statements of the Indian Defence Minister and its Army and Air Chiefs, we caution that a future conflict might lead to cataclysmic devastation. In case a fresh round of hostilities is triggered, Pakistan shall not hold back. We shall resolutely respond, without any qualms or restraint.

Those seeking to establish a new normal must know that Pakistan has established a new normal of response , which will be swift, decisive and destructive. In the face of unwarranted threats and reckless aggression, the people and the Armed Forces of Pakistan have the capability and resolve to take the fight to every nook and corner of the enemy’s territory. This time we shall shatter the myth of geographic immunity, hitting the farthest reaches of the Indian territory.

As for the talk of erasing Pakistan from the map, India must know that if situation comes, the erasure will be mutual.

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They can't bleed us to death, one of the very notion behind the may attack was that they thought, we were preoccupied in the tribals, they can't, first is we have quite an appetite for taking casualties second we are quite good at CT ops.
it wasnt a war!
 
TBH that one indian member had a point, you show restraint through a position of strength not while getting bombed left and right by the enemy. I hope Hafiz Sahb suffers for his poor decision, I swear to God we could have ended these indian shannigans had we replied strongly and immediately without wasting any time. @Panzerkiel did the delay in retaliation cost us?.
Hindsight is always 6/6. Both sides did what they had to.

From Pakistan side, it appears that PA also wanted to gain some optics after PAF’s stellar show on 7th. Desire for glory can make people do a lot of funny things.
I do have a doubt about the results of a stronger response by AM Saab. Stronger response had many ifs and buts that could have come into play. No side was ready to go there. That’s why the ceasefire was accepted by both. Both had the option not to do so and continue but decided against it.
Sanity prevailed - for the time being.
 
There is much more to it. You missed out few of those. It was not as plain and simple as deduced by you.

When India launched Sindoor on 7th May, it lost few fighters. You are bang on correct in this regard. But wrong after that and have got the sequence of events a little mixed up.

After launching strikes and even after loosing aircraft, Indian DGMO wanted to talk to Pak DGMO and offer no more escalation. The premise - We attacked few non-military targets and that has been achieved and we don’t seek any more escalation. Did this offer work? NO.

Pakistan inspite of shooting down few fighters and having a huge narrative advantage gave a response, “At time and place of our choosing”.

Knowing that things would escalate further, BOTH sides got into drone warfare on 08-09 May. AIM- To neutralise each other’s eyes and ears, meaning radars etc for any further operations.

Then Pakistan announced BuM on 9th night.
How did BuM go? Did it really give any thing big to talk about? Nothing. Nada.

Why did India launch standoff weapons from long range? Because the threat of PL-15 was a very strong threat. You are right.

Dear, there is no bravado in getting into the firing range of PL-15. In a war you plan to achieve your aim with minimal losses. You choose your weapons accordingly.

That is what India did and pummelled your bases from north to south, with precision and engaged limited number of targets at each base that was attacked. To show its capability to strike deep, strike at will and strike with accuracy. All the points were driven home without any doubt and ample evidence. Why limited number of targets? To keep it non-escalatory. Imagine if too much damage was caused and too many lives lost. Other side would be forced to escalate.

Did BuM achieve any results to boast about? Not to an analyst who talks with evidence. Nothing to show except tall claims and talk.

Considering that Pak had the option of ceasefire on 7th but decided to not take it and launch BuM, which turned out to be a dud, what did Pakistan gain after 7th May? The first day when it had already done wonderful from own perspective. Indian fighters destroyed without loosing any military assets. It was very very good optics.

Very few people are ready to discuss and talk about that.

There was one, albeit a journalist, Alan Warnes. While he is no analyst, he is still a prominent editor and head one of the world's most read aviation magazine where he has put his view on the attacks on S-400. Alan Warnes, who was given inside briefing on the attacks which were verified before publishin. While you may counter, he is not exactly an analyst, I would go on and say that he has seen enough to verify his claim and put his name on the line and publish it in an establish aviation magazine.

Like one of the senior members mentioned, even IF the CM-400 did not managed to damage the S-400 ( as it managed to evade) the fact that it was claimed to hit precisely at the location is enough to send a strong message. It is similar to how you claim about sending a strong message to hit Pakistan's bases from North to South. Then again, Pakistan has done the same. While you may think BuM does not send a message, it is just your opinion in the end, and I will be hoping that India's think thank sees the same way and continue underestimating us. In my opinion. Pakistan managed to send a strong response forcing India to look for de-escalation and agree to a ceasefire as seen from your Colonel and Wing Commander conference. Think how you want otherwise, but Pakistan has demonstrated it was willing to escalate even with it's limitations.


Therefore, India is not the only country that can send a strong message. Despite all it's efforts in trying to isolate and it's military actions, it is still unable to armwrestle Pakistan do bend to its will since Modi's accession in 2014. The faster India recognize this, the better. Modi has already attempted two times and ended up being on the losing streak, twice. Being the larger country, it is not able to dictate terms in the region as well, which is truthfully disappointing.

Overall, rhe recent 2025 conflict, India escalated with the use of Brahmos taking advantage of Pakistan's inability to use it's strategic weapons in a conventional conflict. The next battle will surely be different. India will be wary of the consequences especially with the creation of ARFC and Fatah-IV. It won't be the same anymore, and I am glad Pakistan learned from this lesson and are continuously plugging the gaps.
 
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