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Do you think PTI has a future without Imran Khan?

  • Yes

    Votes: 22 19.6%
  • No

    Votes: 80 71.4%
  • Only if senior leadership is released

    Votes: 10 8.9%

  • Total voters
    112
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Yes. Just like the "democratic" West is totally, absolutely fine working with Hazrat Asim Muneer of Pakistan or Communist Party of China!
So he is basically a hypocrite. Thank god the fitna is in Jail. bloody hell, he almost compromised Pakistan national security by placing Pakistan military under security risk civilian control. I mean alot of his party workers could be bought for mere $50k 😂
 
he almost compromised Pakistan national security by placing Pakistan military under security risk civilian control
In most countries of the world (even non-democratic ones) — the military command is under civilian control. Didn’t they send you the memo?
 
In most countries of the world (even non-democratic ones) — the military command is under civilian control. Didn’t they send you the memo?
Pakistan has a very complex situation which is beyond the comprehension level of average PTI PPP PMLN politician. For example, during peak of WOT US influence not just in the region but around the world was at peak and no other option would be available but to take orders from them. Now sure if Imran was aware of consequences for saying no to US back then. Even Saudis would have refused supply a drop of oil.
For a moment lets use brain, if Imran amended the laws and placed military under civilian control, what guarantee do you have that new civilian leadership wont be compromised over mere $50K? Instead of India launching multi million dollars missiles at Pakistan they will be handing $50k checks.
 
For a moment lets use brain, if Imran amended the laws and placed military under civilian control…
Changing the laws alone won’t put Pakistan’s military under civilian command. Pakistan’s constitution already says that the country’s army is a department of govt under the ministry of defense. However, our current defense minister goes around the world with the news that he "proudly" serves under the ruling army chief Hazrat Asim Muneer. Could there ever be a bigger joke than this?
 
Changing the laws alone won’t put Pakistan’s military under civilian command. Pakistan’s constitution already says that the country’s army is a department of govt under the ministry of defense. However, our current defense minister goes around the world with the news that he "proudly" serves under the ruling army chief Hazrat Asim Muneer. Could there ever be a bigger joke than this?

If Pakistan was far away from its current geographic location, I 100% agree with you. But with current complex cluster fk scenario, NO.
 
If Pakistan was far away from its current geographic location, I 100% agree with you. But with current complex cluster fk scenario, NO.
It’s not about any geographic location but whether if Pakistan’s 250 million civilians actually want to govern themselves or are they just fine with outsourcing this job to their military leadership?
 
It’s not about any geographic location but whether if Pakistan’s 250 million civilians actually want to govern themselves or are they just fine with outsourcing this job to their military leadership?

Yes it has everything to do with geographic location. If Pakistan was an island in Pacific ocean, China Saudi, US etc influence and relationship would be minimal and NO WOT no neighbors with nukes and big military then things would have been different for Pakistan.
 
Yes it has everything to do with geographic location. If Pakistan was an island in Pacific ocean, China Saudi, US etc influence and relationship would be minimal and NO WOT no neighbors with nukes and big military then things would have been different for Pakistan.
These are just excuses to justify the status quo of military’s unchecked dominance in Pakistan. If people of a country want real change, no power in the world can stop them. We already saw that during Islamic Revolution in Iran and more recently during the upheavals in Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Nepal.
 
I’ve been revisiting Imran Khan’s statements and tweets about talking to Afghanistan and negotiating with the TTP, and I genuinely want to understand PTI’s position, beyond slogans. When PTI says “we should talk to Afghanistan,” who exactly are they referring to?
  • The Afghan Taliban government?
  • The broader Afghan state?
  • Or Afghan refugees in Pakistan?
  • If TTP attacks affect all of Pakistan, why does PTI name only KP, Afghanistan, and Afghan refugees as stakeholders? Should foreign refugees have a say in how Pakistan’s provinces are run?
Because if the idea is to talk to Afghanistan about the TTP, that implies PTI believes the Afghan Taliban have influence or control over the TTP, right? And if that’s true, doesn’t it also mean the Afghan Taliban are tolerating or protecting a group attacking Pakistan? Then how exactly would dialogue work? What leverage does Pakistan have to make the afghanistan/Taliban act against their ideological allies? The Taliban also no longer need Pakistan’s support the way they did during the insurgency. In fact, relations have deteriorated, border skirmishes, trade restrictions, and refugee issues have all soured goodwill. So what exactly will you talk about?

What about the TTP’s demands themselves? They include:
  • Imposing Sharia in Pakistan’s tribal belt
  • Releasing militants from prison
  • Political recognition of their ideology
  • Territorial control
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How would PTI negotiate around these? Does “talks” mean concessions to these demands, or just partial agreements? If PTI negotiates and grants TTP concessions , what happens when they start enforcing Sharia in tribal areas, policing women and shutting schools?

Now that India is re-entering Afghanistan and Mutaki is threatening Pakistan from there, how does PTI expect talks to work? The ‘stakeholder’ they rely on is meeting your arch enemy, what kind of strategy is this?

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Negotiating with a party that may align with India is dangerously naïve. With the TTP already a threat, India’s presence in Afghanistan risks a second front, making dialogue without leverage a risky gamble for Pakistan’s security.

IBO, are not working with high casualty rates, and the attrition of our soldiers have reached unsustainable levels, around 60 dead in the last 20 days; the army has signalled it’s planning a new operation along the lines of Zarb‑e‑Azb and already has a strategy. How do we answer to the parents of those dying daily when one pillar of state policy pushes hard military action while another insists on talks?

I’m genuinely curious to hear from PTI supporters: what’s the endgame here, temporary peace, or managed coexistence with militants?

FYI i do not give a shit about whether they have mandate or not, i genuinely need to understand the psyche behind this approach, which hasn't worked ever.
 
In 2021 when Afghanistan was captured by Taliban, It was declared a victory for Pakistan. I remember Indian defense analysts saying that this is not a victory of Taliban over the then Afghan Government but Of ISI over RAW.

But certain things happened that showed certain segments in Pakistan's ruling elite were not in favor of peace as they felt that peace would diminish their importance.

Just a few days after Regime change operation in 16 April 2022 Airstrikes were conducted in Afghanistan then Ayman Al Zawahiri was killed in a drone strike.This sent a message of hostility and irresponsible statements by some ministers did not help.

More later
 
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In 2021 when Afghanistan was captured, It was declared a victory for Pakistan. I remember Indian defense analysts saying that this is not a victory of Taliban over the then Afghan Government but Of ISI over RAW.

But certain things happened that showed certain segments in Pakistan's ruling elite were not in favor of peace.

Just a few days after Regime change operation in 16 April 2022 Airstrikes were conducted in Afghanistan then Ayman Al Zawahiri was killed in a drone strike.This sent a message of hostility and irresponsible statements by some ministers did not help.

More later
The question is why do we need afghanistan for peace inside pakistan? Why make them a stakeholder? They certainly have made up their mind of not letting TTP go, so why keep repeating the dead idea of talk?
 
Put simply, Khan believes that Afghanistan has influence over ttp & that if Pakistan plays nice they won't support them in revenge. Khan also thinks that if you stop ops & focus on political integration & economic development terrorism will die out by itself.

Its wishful thinking & flawed. IAG doesn't have enough influence to stop ttp from doing anything they don't want to & at the end of the day the root cause of Afghan hostility hasn't been eliminated. The root cause of ttp motivations also hasn't been addressed & there's no reason to believe they'll agree & simply stop waging war.

That being said it's still an actual strategy unlike current army leadership who thinks bombing everything in sight is a solution but fails to realize that you can carry out as many ops as you want but at end of day, terrorism is a political problem & a huge part of that problem includes you as well.

Khan & current generals are on the extreme ends of spectrum. The reality is that for a sustainable solution you ultimately need a political solution (which includes ending interference in politics by army which they're not even prepared to do) & you create the space & leverage for this through military force.
 
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Does anyone here actually think we can militarily achieve what the US coalition couldn't?
 
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