PTI News, Updates and Discussion

[Samlee]

The question is why do we need afghanistan for peace inside pakistan? Why make them a stakeholder? They certainly have made up their mind of not letting TTP go, so why keep repeating the dead idea of talk?

After coming to power Afghan Taliban had offered mediation which Pakistan had accepted,a one month ceasefire had been announced and certain things were set as parameters like amnesty for renouncing violence and rehabilitation of ttp fighters who do renounce violent insurgency


What you have to understand is that certain factions were sincere in peace while others weren't but if talks succeeded and at least a modicum of understanding had been reached, this latter group could have been isolated and wiped out easily as a result of yes a military operation

Coming to the first part of your question, Both Pakistan and Afghanistan are stakeholders in each other's peace.The Durand line is not like any other border unrest in Afghanistan spills into Pakistan and vice versa

 

[Meengla]

Khan & current generals are on the extreme ends of spectrum. The reality is that for a sustainable solution you ultimately need a political solution (which includes ending interference in politics by army which they're not even prepared to do) & you create the space & leverage for this through military force.

Imran had absolutely no issues the military propping him to the topmost role, sustaining him in the topmost role, colluding with some Generals to perpetuate his topmost role. And he will have NO issues if/when he is propped up to power again. So who are we kidding here??
Oh Bhai: They are all cut from the same cloth! The military is not some alien presence. It is part and parcel of the Pakistani society.
And what 'political solution' you envision?? The terrorists want land. Land. Land. To enforce their tribal version of 'Shariat'. They are determined and focus on that goal.

 

[EternalMortal]

Imran had absolutely no issues the military propping him to the topmost role, sustaining him in the topmost role, colluding with some Generals to perpetuate his topmost role. And he will have NO issues if/when he is propped up to power again. So who are we kidding here??
Oh Bhai: They are all cut from the same cloth! The military is not some alien presence. It is part and parcel of the Pakistani society.
And what 'political solution' you envision?? The terrorists want land. Land. Land. To enforce their tribal version of 'Shariat'. They are determined and focus on that goal.

What does this have to do with anything I said? why do you guys always start your useless & baseless drivel in these discussions?

As for your political solution, that's up to awaam especially tribals to decide not some incompetent shit in GHQ. Terrorism is a POLITICAL problem. Instead of barking at me go read Clausewitz who had more brains than all our generals put together.

Bombs create SPACE and LEVERAGE for enforcing your political solution. EVERYTHING is politics. There's no such thing as a purely military matter. Once you temu rambos realize that then the country can actually start discussing strategy & specific solutions.

 

[krash]

Does anyone here actually think we can militarily achieve what the US coalition couldn't?

Are we trying to achieve the take over of Afghanistan? Obtuse strawman.

 

[Waterboy]

After coming to power Afghan Taliban had offered mediation which Pakistan had accepted,a one month ceasefire had been announced and certain things were set as parameters like amnesty for renouncing violence and rehabilitation of ttp fighters who do renounce violent insurgency


What you have to understand is that certain factions were sincere in peace while others weren't but if talks succeeded and at least a modicum of understanding had been reached, this latter group could have been isolated and wiped out easily as a result of yes a military operation

Coming to the first part of your question, Both Pakistan and Afghanistan are stakeholders in each other's peace.The Durand line is not like any other border unrest in Afghanistan spills into Pakistan and vice versa

You're rambling without making sense. There is no such thing as durand line, it's an ethnonationlaist trope from afghan pashtun. The border is international recognized and reinforced. Pakistan isn't doing shit in Afghanistan and where as we are seeing increase in terrorism.

 

[Samlee]

You're rambling without making sense. There is no such thing as durand line, it's an ethnonationlaist trope from afghan pashtun. The border is international recognized and reinforced. Pakistan isn't doing shit in Afghanistan and where as we are seeing increase in terrorism.

Did you even remotely try to understand what I said off course Durand line is internationally recognized but it is not like other borders.

My point was that there were elements on both sides that were just not interested in peace and in the end they have won.

 

[Abdul q]

C’mon it takes only two brain cells to get RSS listed on terror list we have biggest and sharpest minds in power do something about it with current US stance it is achievable…..,,

 

[hussain0216]

Does anyone here actually think we can militarily achieve what the US coalition couldn't?

We are not trying to take over Afghanistan

We have a free bombing run over any part of Afghanistan

We have a mount of old stock that can be dumped on Afghanistan even with mirage's

Afghanistan gets most of its taxation from trade via the Pakistani border

All Afghanistans neighbors are hostile and even chabahar has U.S sanctions


Cut the border trade,
Kick out the remaining afghans from Pakistan
GIVE THEM NOTHING
Dont allow afghans entry into Pakistan via airports

Bomb any Taliban it afghan military build up by the border, if they want to lose thousands of troops then oblige them

For any TTP attack, respond with hitting targets in Afghanistan

Set aside resources Including drones and aircraft and attack helicopters dedicated to dealing with Afghanistan

Use old stock, ageing planes soon to be retired, old Cobras, drones to support war in the west

Everything has been tried to make afghans into Indian, their are no further options but conflict

 

[Samlee]

People Like To Blame IK For Settling TTP Militants Back In Pakistan But Fact Is That IK Government Was Removed In 2022.But Talks For Resettling Taliban Fighters Continued Upto Mid 2023 Long After Khan Was Gone

Pakistan, Afghan Taliban discuss TTP 'resettlement plan’ | The Express Tribune

Afghan interim govt has asked Islamabad to bear the cost of the plan, say sources

tribune.com.pk

So Who Is Responsible Here???

 

[Waterboy]

People Like To Blame IK For Settling TTP Militants Back In Pakistan But Fact Is That IK Government Was Removed In 2022.But Talks For Resettling Taliban Fighters Continued Upto Mid 2023 Long After Khan Was Gone

Pakistan, Afghan Taliban discuss TTP 'resettlement plan’ | The Express Tribune

Afghan interim govt has asked Islamabad to bear the cost of the plan, say sources

tribune.com.pk

So Who Is Responsible Here???

The post is about current PTI policy and not the past. Are you dense? Why is everyone deflecting and endlessly yapping. Bhai what is the purpose of the talks now? what will that achieve?

 

[Samlee]

The post is about current PTI policy and not the past. Are you dense? Why is everyone deflecting and endlessly yapping. Bhai what is the purpose of the talks now? what will that achieve?

There are no talks happening now, what the hell are you talking about??

 

[Waterboy]

There are no talks happening now, what the hell are you talking about??

Why is murshid imran then talking about talks?

 

[Gripen9]

The question is why do we need afghanistan for peace inside pakistan? Why make them a stakeholder? They certainly have made up their mind of not letting TTP go, so why keep repeating the dead idea of talk?

Same situation during US occupation. US was frustrated since Pakistan was accused of harboring Taliban in Pakistani tribal areas and even Quetta and US could not target them. During that era, Taliban would shelter in Pak tribal areas and conduct hit and run attacks on US forces .
Would you rather resolve it peacefully via talks or create animosity lasting decades by exerting brute force?
Naturally if talks fail, then brute force is used but unfortunately the results are sub optimal.

For the US, they had the luxury of getting up and leave, for us, this is home.

 

[Waterboy]

Same situation during US occupation. US was frustrated since Pakistan was accused of harboring Taliban in Pakistani tribal areas and even Quetta and US could not target them. During that era, Taliban would shelter in Pak tribal areas and conduct hit and run attacks on US forces .
Would you rather resolve it peacefully via talks or create animosity lasting decades by exerting brute force?
Naturally if talks fail, then brute force is used but unfortunately the results are sub optimal.

For the US, they had the luxury of getting up and leave, for us, this is home.

Bhai jan, you are deluded if you think talks would result in anything meaningful. No matter how much you negotiate with Afghanistan, the problem isn’t going away. The ethnonationalist Pashtun agenda will always be used against you. Technically, Afghanistan now has strategic depth inside your territory due to afghan refugees and sympathetic tribals. Since 1947, Afghans have been stirring up trouble. Your western front was always unstable, and now it’s even more so.

The only way forward is to militarily remove the TTP population we resettled in 2021 and 2022, and then find a political solution with our own locals. The resettlement was done after talks with the Afghans, which has massively backfired and is now a pain in the ass. TTP will never give up space through talks. The only solution is a military operation within our own borders first, then implementing the National Action Plan, and finally working with PTI to develop those areas.

Also what exactly will you PTI talk about and what concession will it give to TTP and afghans? that was the question?

 

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