Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[Falgrine]

is the exchange of fire ongoing or has it settled down today?

Brother, our armed forced have paused their response for the time being but remain in the full standby mode to restart the punishment if Tali B*****ds go haywire again.

 

[Jango]

Press release from MOFA. i think the last paragraph sounds a bit contradictory. Just avoid telling them to have a true representative govt there. its their internal matter.

We're cozy with Trump now, and are the bullies of the region now.

 

[Jango]

Yaar I wrote a detailed post on this issue right at the time when Taliban recaptured Kabul, I won't go in detail again but would post pointwise summary.

Now please keep in mind.

- since 1979 Afghanistan is not a united country under a single Government. Soviet tried to keep it united, Mujahideen tried, Taliban tried, USA tried it and even now Taliban 2.0 are still trying but the result is still same as we know.

- Afghanistan is not a functional country since 1979.

- No one could make it a "FUNCTIONAL COUNTRY"

- all the ethnic communities in Afghanistan have proved that they can't live together under the single Government.

- We must understand that the issue we are facing at our western birders is not because of one ethnicity or the other in Afghanistan, but Afghanistan it self is the root cause of the issue.

- As long as Afghanistan remain as an State it will maintain its claim as about Durand Line which means no amount of regime change would resolve the issue. Therefore to resolve the Durand Line issue we have to resolve the Afghan in totality as the problem.

- Afghanistan is just a buffer state which remain in existence due to great game between Great Britain and Soviet Union, now Russia is no more Soviet Union and far away from our borders therefore we do not have any such compulsion or threats.

- Current political borders of Afghanistan is not serving the interest of any nation or state even the interest of Afghanistan itself. Infact it is creating issues for all of the neighboring countries and for Afghanistan as well, therefore Afghanistan with it's current borders could not remain as a country for long period, sooner or later it will disintegrate so any unplanned and sudden disintegration would have potential to hurt Pakistan's National Interests.

Interesting...but:

1- Will the Afghan civil society (or at least the Kabul one, accept it). Alright, Taliban has somewhat marginalized them and all, but I can imagine them all banding together against this.
2- Will the other groups agree to it? From what I can understand, there's Pashtuns, Tajiks, and Hazaras.
3- Who will do it? Why will the US do it? We have an interest, but do we have the might and resources? Or will US (read Trump) and Saudis bankroll this?
4- What would Qatar say to this, and China? They have alot of vested interest in A-stan now.

 

[Jango]

Yaar, this naiveté has to end at one point in time and sooner than later (like yesterday). Pakistanis are losing their lives at the hands of a foreign funded/abetted terror machinery.
Forget about our brand of politics, it is Pakistanis, whether in the KP or FATA that are dying. Sons of families from all over Pakistan are making the ultimate sacrifice in KP everyday.

And you think PTI is the roadblock to resolving that? Come on!

What would happen differently if PTI was aligned as you said?

 

[Jango]

They are under pressure/targeted because unfortunately all the mayhem and murder is happening in the province they govern and their policies are obviously a factor.

And in that province the CM cannot appoint his own IG or CS or any other bureacrat. It's practically being run by a hodgepodge of Mohsin Naqvi, Corps Commander, Governor, and CM. Their leadership is in disarray and imprisoned in BS cases, their actual think tank which was the reason they got re-elected was kept out by our establishment, the center is witholding funds for ex-FATA now so KP has to use it's own funds in lieu of them (I think it's 80 billion but if you want a source I'll get you one), and you expect the province to be governed as if it's Punjab? Isn't it a tall ask to tie someone's hands behind their backs and ask them to swim?

 

[Jango]

The best move forward is probably to negotiate IK's release. Asim Munir and PTI's leaders are too stubborn to talk, but thats the only way forward.

IK released and allowed to be politically active again, in exchange for full military backing against TTP.

I don't see it happening though, as both sides seem to think they have a political-upper hand right now.

Agreed. Get everyone to sit down and be adults. Stop this ego match.

But...the impasse from I understand is establishment wants IK to be out, for a long time. IK/PTI is only amenable to being quiet until the next elections.

 

[safriz]

Seriously now we are stooping to the level where we are bragging about beating up the disabled kid in a wheelchair in the class?

Probably posted already, but this is from ISPR official.

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[FuturePAF]

Just like us, the Taliban also have some of our posts marked up as targets. To lose such a large number (I believe the troops who were martyred in Tirah were accounted for in this 23 number), we likely had troops in one or a few positions that were hit.

Hopefully now, having seen the vulnerability of our posts, they can be rebuild the posts with better defensive designs and offensive capabilities.

Respect to our Shaheeds, may their sacrifice be honored with better conditions for those to take up their posts.

P.s. these posts need to be built with some kind of bunker and remote weapons systems. Remote systems are getting cheaper as simple devices to mount the same weapons on. Also, a small tunnel system with a small bunker/pill boxes could be all that is needed to keep troops out of harms way when there is an attack.

Heck, Pakistan could probably go to Albania and buy and haul a few thousand of their best maintained pillboxes on the cheap and quickly place them along the border.

Considering Pakistan’s good relations with Albania (not the least due to the help during the 90s and afterwards in the region) and Albania’s good relations with China at the time of bunker building phase, buying thousands of these bunkers to not only secure the border but over-watching motorways might be the way to go if they can be bought and transported at an economical price:

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A series of these pillboxes in between and out in front of the forts with unmanned machine guns emplaced (and connected via fiber optic cables underground) could add a layer of protection for troops at the forts.

Many of these forts should also be reinforced now, or at east have this added ring of protection.

The following PA border fort on the Afghan border looks like the Alamo.

 

[Toxic]

Seriously now we are stooping to the level where we are bragging about beating up the disabled kid in a wheelchair in the class?

Probably posted already, but this is from ISPR official.

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This is showing receipts which is very important In the age of social media. The Israelis didn't hesitate to show strikes on Iranian military installations which basically made their dominance undeniable.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Creation of a buffer zone like Turkey did in Syria cannot be overlooked if the Taliban continue to proxy attack Pakistan.

A few options:

a) Last ditch talks with Taliban to have them mend their ways and stop TTP attacks for good (with incentives to join CPEC and FTA).
b) If "a" fails, kinetic actions all the way and beyond Kabul in case of ANY TTP attack inside Pakistan proper. Hit Afghan Taliban government facilities and bases at will.
c) Additionally, in case of any further TTP attack, forced return of 25-50/100K refugees for each attack.
d) If the attacks persist, creation of a potential free-fire buffer zone. Not the most appealing option but it would allow the pressure to move out from FATA into Afghanistan proper.

Create a buffer zone big enough, put the refuges, form a government there, and let the "international community" take care of them. They would also enjoy trading with Pakistan....

 

[Cipher212]

It's very remote, it has zero roads, none whatsoever. It's not connected to anywhere. To annex it we'd have to move troops to an isolated region with little population, no connectivity and create supply lines and build fortifications.

Until billions of Dollars of infrastructure was built, it'd be relatively unsafe for anyone stationed there, we'd need to airdrop supplies or use mules. What that would also mean is that the guys stationed there would be vulnerable to attack from terrorists. The border between Tajikistan and Afghanistan is also quite remote and unmanaged so there is a high likeliness of terrorists making the journey into the region by bike/foot to carry out attacks.

It's easy for you and me to say - but this needs big boy money.

It doesn't have to be Wakhan. Is there absolutely no mine or other resource location near the border.

 

[Cipher212]

Seriously now we are stooping to the level where we are bragging about beating up the disabled kid in a wheelchair in the class?

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This feels like when Babar Azam scored that 150 against Nepal.

 

[HRK]

Interesting...but:

1- Will the Afghan civil society (or at least the Kabul one, accept it). Alright, Taliban has somewhat marginalized them and all, but I can imagine them all banding together against this.
2- Will the other groups agree to it? From what I can understand, there's Pashtuns, Tajiks, and Hazaras.
3- Who will do it? Why will the US do it? We have an interest, but do we have the might and resources? Or will US (read Trump) and Saudis bankroll this?
4- What would Qatar say to this, and China? They have alot of vested interest in A-stan now.

We just have deny the central government in Afghanistan. It will be effectively divided on ethnic lines itself.
At that time the issue would be Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and Iran accept the integration of respective ethnic population and land with their country. In my opinion they may reap many benefits with this extension of their borders fir the population they could adopt the policies as per their interests.

First step is not to enter into nation building but deny space for armed groups in the absence of central government, second would be the entry of Armies those countries into respective ethnic majority areas to keep the law and order in control.
It is necessary to avoid the ethnic civil war in Afghanistan which is a norm as per Afghanistan history.

As far as Pushtoon population is concerned I am not suggesting for Pakistan to take over the land or population but to create a Dominion like state ruled by council tribal elders with limited mandate of local law and order and local governance authority. Pakistan and that purposed Dominion state would have relations similar to the concept of Princely states of India which were wholly dependent on British authorities for their survival.

I am not in favour of taking over any part or population of Pushtoon belt of Afghanistan by Pakistan for many obvious reason including the limitations of Pakistan as an State.

Idea is not to involve in nation building but to practically and ideologically kill the idea of National Statehood for Afghanistan.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Looks like Pakistan is returning the "Sindoor" favor by not accepting ceasefire and keeping the ops on-going. It's now the time to panic for Bharat for she has to spend many times more now for an incremental change! Pakistan is making it $-wise unaffordable for Bharat....

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[Dr khan]

We all know they want back down, simply because TTP has now assimilated completely in Taliban

Pakistan will now need to do complex surgery to dteach them which at minimum first require

1- Taliban openly accepting durand line and never talking or any one of them talking about this


2-banishing leaders

If they refuse which they certainly will

Then we have two options
1- status quo, i.e let Pakistani men die as cannon fodder in attacks
And blame it on PTI and judiciary ()
2- create a buffer zone and ask their to high commonioner to leave the country (declare them terrorist), china will obviously follow suit and probably india wil be the only country left to support them
Close of all road connection and create a buffer zone of 30miles like turkey did..buffer zone can be both declared like turkey did or undeclared where any taliban is Targeted via drones if they come near the boarder

The taliban might escalate further, which risk toppling the afghan govt to isis but question is whether Pakistan wants to die slowly or fix it self. Pakistan need to prepare an alternative to Taliban in backyard may be figure out away for foreifn troops peacekeeper troops to return