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What isn’t implausible is there was a STEEP drop off in Iranian launch capability by the end of war. Iran was firing salvos of 10-20 (at best). And daily totals of missiles fired was abysmal by the end.

this is a fact. but I don't buy it's because of the launchers. it's because the missile bases were suppressed. we saw that as the war continued Iran started launching missiles further east of Iran, and those bases likely had fewer MRBMs, or they needed to take precautions and couldn't place 20+ launchers out at once while Israeli MALE drones were flying over Esfahan 24/7

the new embarrassing official propaganda excuse is that we precisely destroyed their radars so we kindly only fired a few missiles near the end to avoid causing disproportionate damage

Well either their BM supply was severely constrained and they feared their energy facilities would be struck next without the ability to respond appropriately. All of that made the regime select SURVIVAL.

The whole “you started this war, we will be the ones who end it” was false propaganda. While I am sure Bibi would have loved to get regime change, after the U.S. bombed Iran’s nuclear program his 30 year wet dream finally came true and he was happy to call Trump and tell him we are ready to end the war. This notion that Israel “begged” for a ceasefire is quite frankly copium x10000

So these videos while encouraging, don’t solve the problem which is that Iran’s missile cadence fell off dramatically after first 3 days. Repairing launchers or adding more missiles won’t fix that if the air is filled with Israeli drones and fighter jets in the next war.

yes this is all true

but where your enemy tries to claim a propaganda victory by claiming it destroyed all your missile launchers, debunking this is helpful

and in a scenario where your enemy has delivered serious (but not fatal) blows, it can be rational to select survival to give time to rebuild and adapt to your enemy's strengths and your weaknesses (which IRI were either ignorant of or ignored or incapable of resolving previously)

 

[Persian Gulf]

interesting that the new TELs only hold/fire one KS missile at a time. when first revealed, they held 2 KS missiles per launcher.

 

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weird take from Nicole. superficial damage is there, but they look functional, which is what matters.

 

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[ToddE]

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new missile launchers and missiles delivered to IRGC-ASF

this includes missile launchers that were damaged in the war and that have now been refurbished and returned to service

the Israeli narrative that Iran lost most of its missile launchers is hilariously implausible

hope we see Fattah-1, Khorramshahr-4 and Qasem Basir missiles deployed in large numbers across multiple missile bases and other sites.

Qasem Basir in particular can really make a big difference in the next round. it is a shame it was not in production yet.

Q Basir is the most advanced SRBM in Iranian arsenal but it cant reach Israel.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Q Basir is the most advanced SRBM in Iranian arsenal but it cant reach Israel.

Qassem Basir is not a SRBM

it can definitely reach Israel with 1200km range. MoD said it hit a target MORE THAN 1200km away in its live test. they rarely disclose the true max range.

even with only 1200km range it can reach anywhere in Israel fired from Kermanshah

 

[ToddE]

Qassem Basir is not a SRBM

it can definitely reach Israel with 1200km range. MoD said it hit a target MORE THAN 1200km away in its live test. they rarely disclose the true max range.

even with only 1200km range it can reach anywhere in Israel fired from Kermanshah

Not sure about Kermanshah, but even if they fire it from Urmia to Haifa, it will be 1200+ KM. It can theoretically reach Israel but for max range, the apogee will be higher which kills the purpose of a quasi BM.

Its highly suitable for AShBM role btw.

 

[BigMela2onin]

interesting that the new TELs only hold/fire one KS missile at a time. when first revealed, they held 2 KS missiles per launcher.

Iran can't mass produce any complicated equipment, either due to technical deficiencies or due to monetary constraints or likely both, we've seen this repeatedly in every major military project.

 

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weird take from Nicole. superficial damage is there, but they look functional, which is what matters.

i hope they camouflage TELs as containers make them difficult to spot from drones , like Chinese are doing

 

[Persian Gulf]

Not sure about Kermanshah, but even if they fire it from Urmia to Haifa, it will be 1200+ KM. It can theoretically reach Israel but for max range, the apogee will be higher which kills the purpose of a quasi BM.

Its highly suitable for AShBM role btw.

1140km from IRGC missile base in Kermanshah to Haifa

1180km to Tel Aviv

true max range likely 1250km+, so don't really see an issue, except that the west SSM bases are most vulnerable to suppression

 

[Persian Gulf]

Iran can't mass produce any complicated equipment, either due to technical deficiencies or due to monetary constraints or likely both, we've seen this repeatedly in every major military project.

I am not sure. when KS was first shown they showed a relatively large number of dual launcher TELs

i hope they camouflage TELs as containers make them difficult to spot from drones , like Chinese are doing

Iran already does this

 

[ToddE]

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1140km from IRGC missile base in Kermanshah to Haifa

1180km to Tel Aviv

true max range likely 1250km+, so don't really see an issue, except that the west SSM bases are most vulnerable to suppression

Hmmm. I was measuring from Azerbaijan like from Urmia it barely reaches Haifa.

If it can reach like you showed, it can be a lethal weapon. It probably is one of the most modern missiles in IRGCAF arsenal, top 3 easily, just tech considered.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Hmmm. I was measuring from Azerbaijan like from Urmia it barely reaches Haifa.

If it can reach like you showed, it can be a lethal weapon. It probably is one of the most modern missiles in IRGCAF arsenal, top 3 easily, just tech considered.

problem is it isn't mass produced or in arsenal yet

weakness is lower impact velocity makes it more vulnerable to late stage interception by David's Sling

 

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seems the shift to single missile launchers is to improve survivability by dispersing missiles across many launchers

 

[ToddE]

^

This is smart tactics IMO because Israeli ALBMs/SOWs are limited in numbers and expensive. Even if they take out one TEL, the cost will be high compared to IRGCAF losing only one missile and a stupid truck.