Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Hassan Al-Somal]

A shame. Did older or newer missiles do this missile strike? If this failed missile strike was a result of newer missiles, then Iran might as well give up fighting Israel altogether.

But Iranian missiles were able to hit many other critical sites, and the Israelis are not disclosing them. It looks like the #IRGCASF compensates this somewhat larger CEP by launching several missiles at the high value target, where the difference in targeting takes into account the CEP of the particular missile type.

Btw, it is the older missiles that have this issue but newer hypersonic missiles are far more accurate, and it was these missiles that took down the Weissman nuclear research center and other critical sites.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

But Iranian missiles were able to hit many other critical sites, and the Israelis are not disclosing them. It looks like the #IRGCASF compensates this somewhat larger CEP by launching several missiles at the high value target, where the difference in targeting takes into account the CEP of the particular missile type.

Btw, it is the older missiles that have this issue but newer hypersonic missiles are far more accurate, and it was these missiles that took down the Weissman nuclear research center and other critical sites.

The Iranians smashed up the israelis pretty bad. There is a REASON why the israelis stopped talking about and mentioning Iran. The israelis are ONLY capable of killing babies and unarmed civilians. They can't fight REAL men and REAL militaries.

 

[Liquidator]

The Iranians smashed up the israelis pretty bad. There is a REASON why the israelis stopped talking about and mentioning Iran. The israelis are ONLY capable of killing babies and unarmed civilians. They can't fight REAL men and REAL militaries.

Israel got smashed up pretty bad.

Their daddy rescued them.

But....for them, this isn't over. They are not a peaceful race by design. They are malignant. You cannot kindly ask a malignancy to stop spreading....it's only knows to spread.

Chemotherapy is painful, but necessary. Chemotherapy may kill you, may leave you a husk of the person you were before, but leaving it untreated will kill you for sure.

 

[Persian Gulf]

this is what is at stake for Iranians

this is why it is so dangerous that the IR is so incompetent. the stakes are very high.

 

[lightning f57]

this is what is at stake for Iranians

this is why it is so dangerous that the IR is so incompetent. the stakes are very high.

At the same time it seems this is the best that Iranian leadership has to offer right now, so despite their incompetence and hubris of these leaders the Iranian nation needs to unite and be behind their leadership otherwise mayhem and chaos awaits.

 

[Persian Gulf]

At the same time it seems this is the best that Iranian leadership has to offer right now, so despite their incompetence and hubris of these leaders the Iranian nation needs to unite and be behind their leadership otherwise mayhem and chaos awaits.

unite but still critique them strongly to force them to improve ...

an incompetent man with no criticism at all is the worst kind for everyone

 

[Nuffle]

"Foreign Policy reports that Iran is preparing for a decisive war with Israel, one that could erupt as early as late August or by December."
Translation: Israel will launch the war under the pretext of a preemptive strike to prevent Iran from attacking the Jewish state.

It will be >September

 

[kastor ville]

I disagree. I think the US, and not only Trump, is afraid of Iran falling into chaos like Afghanistan. That's why they insist on replacing the Ayatollahs with someone like Reza Pahlavi or the reformists through a color revolution or a coup, rather than a full-scale invasion of Iran.

Invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan didn't turn out well. Iran is bigger than both of them combined and Iranians remain quite nationalistic when facing a common enemy. They'll need to station troops in whatever remains of Iran and control a country of 90 million people, who have had a history of anti-American sentiments for the last half a century.

The US has consistently been one of the largest producers of oil and energy. It does rely on oil prices anymore. If anything, rising oil prices will make extraction of unconventional oil more profitable. This is why the US doesn't like oil prices to fall below $40 bbl.

I respect you disagreement, but I follow up with the question if the US was afraid of a failed state why was the regime change one of the core reasons for the attack? It doesn't add up.....
Again, I gave a clear time line with Trump's own words.....he had said, Iran would be obliterated....and he doubled down when asked about a ceasefire, he said "We are not looking for a Ceasefire" He then tweeted that Iran would be obliterated........as I said in the other post, after the bombing, as Iran was readying it's retaliation, his entire tone changed....all of a sudden a ceasefire was ok, he even goes on to say "God Bless Iran"..... You don't find this bizarre?

Donald Trump not seeking ceasefire but wants ‘complete give-up’ by Iran

US president says Iran must stop uranium enrichment entirely for conflict to end, as Iran says it is open to talks

www.theguardian.com

 

[ShapurII]

I respect you disagreement, but I follow up with the question if the US was afraid of a failed state why was the regime change one of the core reasons for the attack? It doesn't add up.....

It adds up perfectly. The US will be forced to deploy troops in the Middle East to protect the newly established regime and the US doesn't want to do that. The US deployed 150K soldiers in Iraq. Back then, Iraq had 25 million people. Iran is nearly 4 times more populous and over 3 times larger. They'll need at least 200K deployed troops in Iran (assuming the IRGC and Basij as main components of a potential Iranian resistance completely collapse) and they do not want to do that when their main focus should be China.

Again, I gave a clear time line with Trump's own words.....he had said, Iran would be obliterated....and he doubled down when asked about a ceasefire, he said "We are not looking for a Ceasefire" He then tweeted that Iran would be obliterated........as I said in the other post, after the bombing, as Iran was readying it's retaliation, his entire tone changed....all of a sudden a ceasefire was ok, he even goes on to say "God Bless Iran"..... You don't find this bizarre?

You really think Iran had a plan for retaliation? What was the plan? Launch more missiles at Qatar?

 

[kastor ville]

It adds up perfectly. The US will be forced to deploy troops in the Middle East to protect the newly established regime and the US doesn't want to do that. The US deployed 150K soldiers in Iraq. Back then, Iraq had 25 million people. Iran is nearly 4 times more populous and over 3 times larger. They'll need at least 200K deployed troops in Iran (assuming the IRGC and Basij as main components of a potential Iranian resistance completely collapse) and they do not want to do that when their main focus should be China.


You really think Iran had a plan for retaliation? What was the plan? Launch more missiles at Qatar?

Wow, your missing the signs right in front of you.......if the US didn't want to deploy troops or if it was afraid of a big failed state.....why did it go along with the regime change plan? This is absolutely a big risk of that plan.....a vacuum left by the IRI could've led to total chaos........I don't think they gave a shit what would happen to Iran if it falls, did they give a hoot about Syria? Or Libya? NO!
This ceasefire was about the oil shock.......one can argue the second reason is that Israel AD were depleted and they didn't want to sustain major damage that they couldn't hide from the world.

2 days later after the intelligence report.....we had a ceasefire.

Iran reportedly moves to close Strait of Hormuz after US attacks

The Iranian Parliament has approved a measure to close the Strait of Hormuz, a critical global oil choke point, after the United States bombed three nuclear sites in Iran, according to Iranian state m...

www.yahoo.com

 

[BigMela2onin]

I respect you disagreement, but I follow up with the question if the US was afraid of a failed state why was the regime change one of the core reasons for the attack? It doesn't add up.....
Again, I gave a clear time line with Trump's own words.....he had said, Iran would be obliterated....and he doubled down when asked about a ceasefire, he said "We are not looking for a Ceasefire" He then tweeted that Iran would be obliterated........as I said in the other post, after the bombing, as Iran was readying it's retaliation, his entire tone changed....all of a sudden a ceasefire was ok, he even goes on to say "God Bless Iran"..... You don't find this bizarre?

Donald Trump not seeking ceasefire but wants ‘complete give-up’ by Iran

US president says Iran must stop uranium enrichment entirely for conflict to end, as Iran says it is open to talks

www.theguardian.com

He though the jews managed to kill pezeshkian and khamenei in the north Tehran attack. He tweeted unconditional surrender and left some meeting only to fly back to washington and find out they failed. Then he changed his tune. Trump is about as competent as your average IR official, he's just as retarded and cowardly.
He went along with the plan because he's a pedophile and the jews have videos of him, they told him "we're doing this" and he was forced to acceed to their plan.

 

[tsunset]

I respect you disagreement, but I follow up with the question if the US was afraid of a failed state why was the regime change one of the core reasons for the attack? It doesn't add up.....
Again, I gave a clear time line with Trump's own words.....he had said, Iran would be obliterated....and he doubled down when asked about a ceasefire, he said "We are not looking for a Ceasefire" He then tweeted that Iran would be obliterated........as I said in the other post, after the bombing, as Iran was readying it's retaliation, his entire tone changed....all of a sudden a ceasefire was ok, he even goes on to say "God Bless Iran"..... You don't find this bizarre?

Donald Trump not seeking ceasefire but wants ‘complete give-up’ by Iran

US president says Iran must stop uranium enrichment entirely for conflict to end, as Iran says it is open to talks

www.theguardian.com

If you refer to Iran, US goal was never regime change, but total regime collapse and automated looting and sacking of Iran with pipelines of free gas and oil

 

[ShapurII]

Wow, your missing the signs right in front of you.......if the US didn't want to deploy troops or if it was afraid of a big failed state.....why did it go along with the regime change plan?

They did? When did that happen? Last time I checked, unlike Israel that claimed it wanted regime change, the US insisted that they didn't want regime change and asked for a ceasefire right after bombing our nuclear facilities. Trump's tweet is still there, where he says, just hours after bombing our nuclear facilities, that it's time to end the war.

This is absolutely a big risk of that plan.....a vacuum left by the IRI could've led to total chaos........I don't think they gave a shit what would happen to Iran if it falls, did they give a hoot about Syria? Or Libya? NO!

Syria was handed over to Turkey and the Golani-Brigade. What are you talking about?

And Libya is not even in the Middle East, it's in North Africa. Not even relevant. Libya's neighbors are Chad, Algeria, Niger and Egypt. None of them are of importance to the global economy. Egypt is capable of defending itself and has been quite docile after the Camp David agreement. Not even remotely the same situation as in the Middle East where things are always heated and close to the boiling point with militias and anti-US/Israel sentiments.

This ceasefire was about the oil shock.......one can argue the second reason is that Israel AD were depleted and they didn't want to sustain major damage that they couldn't hide from the world.

There was no oil shock. I wouldn't call a two-dollar temporary increase as a shock. It's not even an oil fart, let alone an oil shock. So, that's a false argument.

2 days later after the intelligence report.....we had a ceasefire.

Iran reportedly moves to close Strait of Hormuz after US attacks

The Iranian Parliament has approved a measure to close the Strait of Hormuz, a critical global oil choke point, after the United States bombed three nuclear sites in Iran, according to Iranian state m...

www.yahoo.com

These intelligence reports, even if true, are worthless. Particularly for somebody like Trump. He literally said that the US intelligence community was wrong that Iran didn't pursue nuclear weapons. He said it on news, not once, but several times.

 

[ToddE]

My Irani Brother, By Not having an airforce grants Entity Air Superiorty by default. what you are talking about Air space denial. since SAM systems were compromised and damaged internally. so opening corridors for air strikes were easy after fifth coloum offensive. (1st-6th days) afterwards corridors become narrow but never closed.

Israel or any foe of Iran has no need to enter Iranian airspace when they can freely launch ALBMs, ALCMs, Long ranged SOWs from safe distance over Iraq just like they did after TP2. Why burn extra fuel, get expensive refuelers airborne, get fight plane in danger zone when you can get the same job done from distance? IAF has more types of ALBMs and ALCMs than anyone in the world literally. Their F-15, F-16 launch Lofted High apogee Hypersonic Separating MaRVed ALBMs which are not expensive. They have ZERO reason to enter any hostile contested airspace with such large arsenal of air launched weaponry.

Also, where is the evidence like I asked two "veteran fighter pilots" here? IRI is a weak political system with no understanding of war time propaganda and narrative building while Israel has a dedicated ministry for it. Israel propagated this narrative of jets flying 24/7 over Iran to demotivate IRGCAF which was just not getting deterred (kept striking Israeli cities till last minute), the evidence is 2 Jettisoned cases and one Spice PGM strike in 12 days but everyone bought it because IRI being a Islamo-marxist dysfunctional system just could not refute it. The same way IRI could not give their own figure of how many Israelis died in IRGCAF strikes. They just have no idea how to fight propaganda by counter propaganda.

you must understand the situation - if you ask leave the fighter jets since you dispute that - how many drones MALE/HALE were shot down?

Yes entity had air superiorty

 

[ToddE]

I must say, the US national Shahi shits are the most toxic kind of Iranians probably ever to have been born. Hating IRI the "political system" is one thing but they openly ask for destruction of Iran the country because of their hatred for IRI.