Britain might have to sell off Aircraft Carrier (to India?)- HMS Prince of Wales

[Guynextdoor]

Well this has been doing the rounds for a while, the reason why I added 'to India?' is because several years ago when poW was under construction, UK had approached India and asked if we wanted to take it off their hands before launch. I don't see anyone else looking for a 60K carrier right now but I think we'd be better off building our own.

Britain's Navy 'may be forced to sell off the HMS Prince of Wales'

Senior figures fear HMS Prince of Wales, which cost £3.5billion to build, could be mothballed or sold for a knockdown price to a friendly nation, over the fleet's flagship HMS Queen Elizabeth.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Joe Shearer]

GAWD, NO!

We need to continue building our own, not those MiG 29-specific STOBAR monsters but regular CATOBAR vessels with 60,000 MT capacity and in the region of 50 to 60 aircraft aboard.
The Navy really has got itself into a tangle, of a complicated nature. With 3 STOBAR carriers, it will be difficult to get back to on-board aircraft that are catapult-ready, and it is going to be a forced choice of whichever aircraft types fit into a STOBAR profile.

 

[Guynextdoor]

Well this has been doing the rounds for a while, the reason why I added 'to India?' is because several years ago when poW was under construction, UK had approached India and asked if we wanted to take it off their hands before launch. I don't see anyone else looking for a 60K carrier right now but I think we'd be better off building our own.

Britain's Navy 'may be forced to sell off the HMS Prince of Wales'

Senior figures fear HMS Prince of Wales, which cost £3.5billion to build, could be mothballed or sold for a knockdown price to a friendly nation, over the fleet's flagship HMS Queen Elizabeth.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Besides
a) Our carriers need to be optimized for Rafale M instead of F 35
b) Navy had revised their carrier role to 'mixed' carrier- a combination of drones and piloted fighters

The QE keeps breaking down so often, it will just eat into our finances.

 

[Guynextdoor]

This is good news for India.

India can buy cheap aircraft carriers with TOT from the UK. They will learn a lot from the Western system, combined with Russian technology aircraft carriers, and then on that foundation, India can develop its own next-generation aircraft carrier

India is already building domestic line of carriers customized to our needs.

 

[Beijingwalker]

Didn't they still have money to send that carrier to the South China Sea last year and crash one F-35 on its way back?

 

[Joe Shearer]

This is good news for India.

India can buy cheap aircraft carriers with TOT from the UK. They will learn a lot from the Western system, combined with Russian technology aircraft carriers, and then on that foundation, India can develop its own next-generation aircraft carrier

To be quite honest, Russian technology for aircraft carriers is a non-starter. We have had far more experience with operating western-style carriers, and buying a Russian one was never a good idea.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Didn't they still have money to send that carrier to the South China Sea last year and crash one F-35 on its way back?

As you grow older, or as your team grows larger, and as the PLA N progresses, you will learn how to tell between one aircraft carrier and another. Soon,you will even learn how to count three aircraft carriers, ALL together.

Also take into account that this vessel that made the journey actually sailed, and it was not a series of publicity shots relayed by a faithful and devoted team all over the willing or unwilling social media landscape. It may be shocking to contemplate voyages of more than the distance needed to circumnavigate (meaning - going around) the Japanese islands, but such voyages happen, even if Zheng He died centuries ago. Leaving no progeny, it is understood.

It will be nice to see a concentration on putting out the targeted volume of pictorials and well-crafted text that needs to be put out. Questions are another matter. Even though intelligent questions are not obligatory, these are such abominable traps - best avoid them.

 

[MirageBlue]

I don't think that the IN will be interested and even if it were, the MoD and GoI will most likely not be interested.

This is the day and age of Make in India. With the second indigenous aircraft carrier IAC-2 to be along the lines of IAC-1, the IN will have 3 aircraft carriers already and when it comes times to replace INS Vikramaditya, it will be an indigenously designed aircraft carrier that will be built at Cochin Shipyard.

A lot of money and time and effort has been invested in Cochin Shipyard's carrier building capabilities. It will hardly be squandered to buy a second hand carrier now. The second hand ones were bought earlier from the UK and Russia because we didn't have the capability to design and build one ourselves. That phase is now gone and I can't see any Govt. (especially if it's a BJP govt.) going backwards on that.

Anyway, there are other countries that may be interested- Brazil could be one..or perhaps AUKUS as the article states. Or maybe Japan?

On another note- the continued slide of the UK into secondary military power status continues.

 

[samejjangir]

GAWD, NO!

We need to continue building our own, not those MiG 29-specific STOBAR monsters but regular CATOBAR vessels with 60,000 MT capacity and in the region of 50 to 60 aircraft aboard.
The Navy really has got itself into a tangle, of a complicated nature. With 3 STOBAR carriers, it will be difficult to get back to on-board aircraft that are catapult-ready, and it is going to be a forced choice of whichever aircraft types fit into a STOBAR profile.

India builds STOBAR carrier as it needs much less maintenance as there are fewer components and moving parts that will need maintenance or can go wrong. STOBAR carriers will also be able to launch TEDBF too, not just Mig29.

 

[Joe Shearer]

India builds STOBAR carrier as it needs much less maintenance as there are fewer components and moving parts that will need maintenance or can go wrong. STOBAR carriers will also be able to launch TEDBF too, not just Mig29.

In my opinion, it is a blind alley.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Which submarine? the one lost in the Indian media? Indian media is a world renowned joke.

That is not possible.
You do not figure in it.

 

[Waz]

Well this has been doing the rounds for a while, the reason why I added 'to India?' is because several years ago when poW was under construction, UK had approached India and asked if we wanted to take it off their hands before launch. I don't see anyone else looking for a 60K carrier right now but I think we'd be better off building our own.

Britain's Navy 'may be forced to sell off the HMS Prince of Wales'

Senior figures fear HMS Prince of Wales, which cost £3.5billion to build, could be mothballed or sold for a knockdown price to a friendly nation, over the fleet's flagship HMS Queen Elizabeth.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I literally said to myself this morning when I saw this story someone will have a 'sell to India headline'. It happens so much on here.
The carrier will not be sold to anyone and is being planned to be shared by AUS, NZ, US and the UK as part of plans to secure sea lanes and offset rival navies. This will be cost effective, which also solves the primary cause of concern i.e. budget.
Giving it away to a nation at a knocked down cost will cause an almighty row and uproar, as in something the taxpayers paid for at great cost is now being sold to X country for a discount.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Those aircraft carriers are going nowhere!!! Typical posturing for more money. Nothing else!

The treasury has wisely told the RN and other services that they need to demonstrate they handle procurements properly before any new money comes. Decades of gold plating projects and overruns means we have not trust in the MOD to not piss money away……

 

[Guynextdoor]

I literally said to myself this morning when I saw this story someone will have a 'sell to India headline'. It happens so much on here.
The carrier will not be sold to anyone and is being planned to be shared by AUS, NZ, US and the UK as part of plans to secure sea lanes and offset rival navies. This will be cost effective, which also solves the primary cause of concern i.e. budget.
Giving it away to a nation at a knocked down cost will cause an almighty row and uproar, as in something the taxpayers paid for at great cost is now being sold to X country for a discount.

I'm only pointing to what they did before. They did ask us, so I pointed it out. Maybe it won't be sold at all. But between the fact that they seemed to have doubts before it was launched itself and that the QEs are breaking down so often, it is not a pleasent experience. Maybe it will be shared like you said.

 

[Guynextdoor]

@Waz news on the lines of below were there several years ago

Reports: India may buy an advanced aircraft carrier from Britain | Manohar Parrikar Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses

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