China and India - How is India viewed in China?

[KAAFIR]

lOl, they are not your friends, you are just a tool for them to be used, when China was weak, China was also being used by them as a "friend" against USSR, only you can't see it.

Who are using India for whom and how? Elaborate plz.. Puting your fake bravado aside plz for a moment.

 

[r3alist]

India has already made a choice long before. Its not for any camp. It has its own camp. India wants to do business with China , Russia, US or the west equally. India is an open market for all. That's it.

That's it?

You may find they do not want to do business with you equally in the long run

You will invariably tilt one way or another

 

[Michael]

Recently, there has been much discussion in China about the protection of agricultural land.

When I looked up the data, I found a very interesting question.
1. Total population: India 1,429,200,000 (1); China 1,409,670,000 (2).
2. Cultivated land area: India 1,765,260 (1); China 1,476,925 (3).
3. Grain production: India 314 million tonnes (3); China 682 million tonnes (1).
Figures in parentheses are world rankings. There may be some discrepancies in the figures; they are not the focus of the discussion.

Focus of discussion:
China is the world's leading food importer. in the first half of 2024, China's total food imports reached 84.18 million tonnes, while its total food exports during the same period were only 1 million tonnes.
I could not find the latest data on India's total food imports and exports. Overall, India is a food exporter and its total food exports are greater than its total food imports.
The total population of China and India is roughly the same, but there is a huge difference in per capita food consumption.

As ordinary Chinese, we don't have a lot of food wastage in our daily lives and we eat ordinary food.

I am curious to know how India manages to feed a much larger population with a small amount of food.

 

[Nilgiri]

Recently, there has been much discussion in China about the protection of agricultural land.

When I looked up the data, I found a very interesting question.
1. Total population: India 1,429,200,000 (1); China 1,409,670,000 (2).
2. Cultivated land area: India 1,765,260 (1); China 1,476,925 (3).
3. Grain production: India 314 million tonnes (3); China 682 million tonnes (1).
Figures in parentheses are world rankings. There may be some discrepancies in the figures; they are not the focus of the discussion.

Focus of discussion:
China is the world's leading food importer. in the first half of 2024, China's total food imports reached 84.18 million tonnes, while its total food exports during the same period were only 1 million tonnes.
I could not find the latest data on India's total food imports and exports. Overall, India is a food exporter and its total food exports are greater than its total food imports.
The total population of China and India is roughly the same, but there is a huge difference in per capita food consumption.

As ordinary Chinese, we don't have a lot of food wastage in our daily lives and we eat ordinary food.

I am curious to know how India manages to feed a much larger population with a small amount of food.

China has like 10x or so higher meat consumption than India. Meat takes a lot of extra grain to feed....so China has lot larger grain consumption totals.

 

[Michael]

China has like 10x or so higher meat consumption than India. Meat takes a lot of extra grain to feed....so China has lot larger grain consumption totals.

The Chinese do like to eat meat. China imports large quantities of soybeans from the United States and Brazil. The dregs of these soybeans left behind after the oil is extracted are used to feed meat pigs. Eventually, these meat hogs become food for the Chinese.
My family of three, on average, consumes about 250g of pork per day.

Meanwhile, the Chinese consume a huge amount of alcohol. Both baijiu and huangjiu, which are favored by the Chinese, require the use of large quantities of grain to brew.
I drink about 200g of baijiu every day.

So, what is the average Indian's consumption of meat and wine a like? It shouldn't be a 10x difference.

 

[Pradotlc]

The one-sided categorization of any group is in itself an act of hatred! So, please stop your behavior!

This is not a rational attitude!

People will behave at certain times or in certain situations, because of certain factors. But you can't assume that this person is a certain kind of person. The same is true of the country!

We need to conduct in-depth analysis and research on some seemingly simple behaviors in order to find the causes of these behaviors. This is the attitude and way that academic research should have!

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片面的将任何群体分类，这本身就是一种仇视行为！所以，请停止你这种行为！

这不是一个理性的态度！

人在某些时候或者某些情况下，因为某些因素，会做出某些行为。但你不能就此认定此人是某种人。国家亦是如此！

我们需要对一些看似简单的行为进行深入分析和研究，从而找到诱发这些行为的原因。这才是学术研究应该有的态度和方式！

In general Chinese see india as a china wanna bee....

but Chinese think of indians as

> full of crap (literally)
> much lower on productivity scale
> poor quality production (just look at china india trade gap)
> horrible infrastructure
> absurd customs
> dirty and disorganized

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

The Chinese do like to eat meat. China imports large quantities of soybeans from the United States and Brazil. The dregs of these soybeans left behind after the oil is extracted are used to feed meat pigs. Eventually, these meat hogs become food for the Chinese.
My family of three, on average, consumes about 250g of pork per day.

Meanwhile, the Chinese consume a huge amount of alcohol. Both baijiu and huangjiu, which are favored by the Chinese, require the use of large quantities of grain to brew.
I drink about 200g of baijiu every day.

So, what is the average Indian's consumption of meat and wine a like? It shouldn't be a 10x difference.

China also exports meat and liquor, both of which require food grains.

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

China has like 10x or so higher meat consumption than India. Meat takes a lot of extra grain to feed....so China has lot larger grain consumption totals.

Indian pork is of much better quality than Chinese pork, yet India has not fully capitalized on this resource. Pork consumption and exports should be encouraged in India, as it is a valuable source of protein.

 

[Michael]

In general Chinese see india as a china wanna bee....

but Chinese think of indians as

> full of crap (literally)
> much lower on productivity scale
> poor quality production (just look at china india trade gap)
> horrible infrastructure
> absurd customs
> dirty and disorganized

Chinese social media does have some of what you're talking about, but it's not my opinion or the opinion of all Chinese people. China is currently in the age of self media and certain people can do a lot of crazy things for web traffic.

I prefer to see some realities and the logic and reasons for some phenomena. I know it is very difficult to get the truth in the current environment of China-India relations, but I am still trying my best.

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

The Chinese do like to eat meat. China imports large quantities of soybeans from the United States and Brazil. The dregs of these soybeans left behind after the oil is extracted are used to feed meat pigs. Eventually, these meat hogs become food for the Chinese.
My family of three, on average, consumes about 250g of pork per day.

Meanwhile, the Chinese consume a huge amount of alcohol. Both baijiu and huangjiu, which are favored by the Chinese, require the use of large quantities of grain to brew.
I drink about 200g of baijiu every day.

So, what is the average Indian's consumption of meat and wine a like? It shouldn't be a 10x difference.

Pork in India is not as popular as it is in China, and it's unclear why the Indian government is not focusing on the mass production, consumption, and export of pork. Indian pork is of excellent quality, and the breeds of pigs found in India have a uniquely distinct taste.
If you ever visit India, be sure to try the local pork—you’ll become a fan of its unique taste.

 

[Michael]

Indian pork is of much better quality than Chinese pork, yet India has not fully capitalized on this resource. Pork consumption and exports should be encouraged in India, as it is a valuable source of protein.

In the face of China's huge population base, only industrially farmed meat hogs can satisfy Chinese demand. It is not enough for us to rely solely on meat pigs raised in farmers' homes to supply pork.
In China's farmers' markets, pork is categorized into feed pork and grain pork, and there is a big difference in their prices. The public chooses for themselves what kind of pork to buy.

China's meat imports are mainly beef. I have not heard of pork imports.
If the quality of pork in India is really very good, try going the high end food import route. The prerequisite is that India's pork must be very good. You can refer to Thai rice in China, they have been dominating the Chinese high-end rice market.

Bonus Fun Fact: In recent years. China's largest beef importer is Huawei. Yes, you read that right, the same Huawei company that makes cell phones.

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

In the face of China's huge population base, only industrially farmed meat hogs can satisfy Chinese demand. It is not enough for us to rely solely on meat pigs raised in farmers' homes to supply pork.
In China's farmers' markets, pork is categorized into feed pork and grain pork, and there is a big difference in their prices. The public chooses for themselves what kind of pork to buy.

China's meat imports are mainly beef. I have not heard of pork imports.
If the quality of pork in India is really very good, try going the high end food import route. The prerequisite is that India's pork must be very good. You can refer to Thai rice in China, they have been dominating the Chinese high-end rice market.

Bonus Fun Fact: In recent years. China's largest beef importer is Huawei. Yes, you read that right, the same Huawei company that makes cell phones.

Cow beef cannot be permitted in India due to the country’s Hindu majority, as Hindu philosophy regards the cow as a mother figure because it provides milk. However, India has the potential to capitalize on pork. I’m a big fan of Indian pork, but it’s not yet available in packaged form in the international market.

 

[Michael]

Cow beef cannot be permitted in India due to the country’s Hindu majority, as Hindu philosophy regards the cow as a mother figure because it provides milk. However, India has the potential to capitalize on pork. I’m a big fan of Indian pork, but it’s not yet available in packaged form in the international market.

Indian pork can try to be exported to China, but on two conditions:
1. political relations. At least China needs to agree to import Indian pork. China's Ministry of Commerce has publicly available rules regarding food imports.
2, The Indian pork industry has to be strong enough in the face of competition from China, which has a huge pork industry of its own. Pork Quality, Corporate Strength, Marketing Plan .............
Please refer to Thai rice in China. I don't think Indian pork companies can survive competition in China's fiercely competitive pork market. But it can be tried on a small scale.

 

[mythbuster]

All human actions must ultimately be within the bounds of human psychology and sociology. Human interactions are complex(*); state-to-state interactions infinitely more so. There was a brief discussion earlier in this thread about Thucydides Trap and possible exceptions.

Only time will tell.

* As an aside, my favorite theory of human evolution asserts that the taming of fire was the single most important event in human evolution. Aside from the defensive, offensive, and nutritional benefits that fire brought, the campfire spurred the formation of complex societal structures which, in turn, took the art of politics to a new high. Humans had to anticipate, plan and counter-plan around what other humans might do, and this was far more complicated than planning a simple hunt against animals. (Even animals have rudimentary societies and can plan a pack hunt so that by itself doesn't require big brains.) It is politics, therefore, which gave an evolutionary impetus for the development of larger brains. Anyway, sorry for the off-topic.

Love the campfires and the entailing discussions .... psychedelic ones are the best ..... (good thread , ignore my post if it's a hinderence )

 

[Pradotlc]

In general Chinese see india as a china wanna bee....

but Chinese think of indians as

> full of crap (literally)
> much lower on productivity scale
> poor quality production (just look at china india trade gap)
> horrible infrastructure
> absurd customs
> dirty and disorganized

Apart from that the Chinese still don’t understand why Indians hate Chinese…

Personally I think it is because the PLA defeated Indian army in 1962 and then again humiliated in 2020 in gulwan..

Now Chinese government don’t go hyper in defeating Indians so most Chinese actually don’t remember or hear the spanking Indians got.

it is very frustrating for the Indian mind