China Set to Arm Pakistan With DF-17 Hypersonic Missiles in Dramatic Strategic Shift

[SaadH]

Yep. This missile here is claimed to be a HGV (hypersonic glide vehicle) but you can tell from its typical cone shape and the fact that it is powered means it isn't. A real glide vehicle is different from this in shape and how it moves.

Traditional ballistic missile but with faster terminal speed (hypersonic level)

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True HGV

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Traditional ballistic missiles are also hypersonic in terminal phase, but unlike HGV they follow a predictable ballistic trajectory so are easier to track and take out.

 

[Developereo]

The arms race in India-Pakistan is itself going hypersonic.

I guess India started it?
Or it's hard to say who started it.
Pakistan will blame India; India will blame China; China will blame USA.

 

[PakShaheen_79]

Overkill doesn't exist in the Indo/Pak scenario. Remember they upped the ante and Pakistan for the most part held back. They'll be placing critical assets further away, there's no point in waiting for a later stage, as familiarity with a weapon system takes time.

In an ideal environment you are spot on but here we have a big elephant in the room i.e. economy. We need to induct systems across all three forces and everything is going to cost us dearly. We must be thankful for Chinese advancements in modern military tech and our close relations with Beijing else we would be in complete abyss. We can start from what we need on urgent, short, mid and long term. For longer range ground interdiction i would suggest Hypersonic BM like Iran has been using or this new approach of sneak drone attacks from within India. It is a massive country providing lots of places to hide. Most of Brahmos SSM launched from India were launched from airbases located on our eastern border and this is where India is planning to put most of its Air Defence nodes. First priority must be to take them out, once we address immediate threat on our border we can chase them inside India with many strategies including 2 mentioned above. That's why I think starting with JY-12 (CM-302) in ground and air launched variants and then moving up gradually must be adopted so that we can also divert resources on hypersonic capability acquisition along with all big items like HQ-19, KJ-500, J-35As etc.

 

[Vikramaditya1]

you gonna supply mongolia?

No, we are members in MTCR

 

[arjunk]

We don't need DF-17 , that would violate mctr, we need it's HGV - the DF-ZF.
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And btw there are no known interceptions of HGVs. Although, Ukraine does claim mutiple interceptions of zircon, however, Kinzhal is not a true HGV and is really more of a ballistic missile with a quasi-glide phase.

yeah attach the HGV to Shaheen-3 for an approx 4000km range weapon

 

[guangdongt]

Someone mentioned the DF100 supersonic cruise missile here. At last year's Zhuhai Air Show in China, the DF100 and DF10 cruise missiles released their data display boards, which are official public data materials. The pictures of the KD20 cruise missile carried by the H6 bomber (the air launched version of the DF10) are all old public information.


This is the official publicly released data:
The range of the DF100 supersonic cruise missile is 3000 to 4000 kilometers, with a speed of up to 4 Mach

The range of the first generation DF10 cruise missile is 1500 to 2000 kilometers, and it has multiple platform launch versions.

 

[arjunk]

I guess India started it?

India started every arms race and refused every Pakistani offer, including those for missile-free and nuke-free zones. (4 other offers I cannot recall were also rejected)

; India will blame China;

This is like Somalia announcing an ICBM program in response to the USA.

No one is fooled by the Indians' China drama, we all know Indian weapons are for Pakistan. In 2020 for a long time Modi didn't even utter China's name when the Chinese beat Indian soldiers to death with baseball bats and conquered 1,000+sq km of Indian held territory.

 

[ziaulislam]

Let's get the supersonic going first! Aside the CM-302 (Navy service) no such weapon in the arsenal, and Indian rained downed Brahmos.

Glide supersonic weapons on top of Blastic missles are rather simpler systems

 

[CallSignMaverick]

DF-17 in pakistani hands isn't really a threat, simply due to it being an expensive limited import option (if at all it is allowed to be sold) while not even having a proper BMD system. India can do with old cheap ballistic missiles for which PA will have to use limited expensive HGVs.

By the time it actually happens, our AD-AH anti-hypersonic interceptor systems will become a reality..

 

[TopGun786]

Following the thread

 

[TopGun786]

MTCR…

The missile has a range of 299km and an accuracy error of 1700 - 2200km.

Just like 145 kilometers range of PL-15E with accuracy error of 280-300 kilometers.
I love it.

 

[NA71]

DF-17 in pakistani hands isn't really a threat, simply due to it being an expensive limited import option (if at all it is allowed to be sold) while not even having a proper BMD system. India can do with old cheap ballistic missiles for which PA will have to use limited expensive HGVs.

By the time it actually happens, our AD-AH anti-hypersonic interceptor systems will become a reality..
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Just like Rafales in the hands of IAF isn't really a threat.

 

[TopGun786]

By the time it actually happens, our AD-AH anti-hypersonic interceptor systems will become a reality

Hope it doesn't go the way of Tejas.
Personally I believe when you are able to do this world must be moving between 150-200 Mach.

 

[CallSignMaverick]

Just like Rafales in the hands of IAF isn't really a threat.

Imported options are never as big a threat as domestic ones, but then missiles unlike fighter jets are non-reusable. A credible BMD is a bigger headache for enemy than few expensive missiles that are hard/impossible to intercept.

Hope it doesn't go the way of Tejas.
Personally I believe when you are able to do this world must be moving between 150-200 Mach.

Our BMD systems are already deployed, the latest test involving destruction of a live satellite in space.


Project Kusha's long range SAM will begin testing in few years, short range M1 this/next year itself. AD-AH being part of BMD Phase-3.


Still, India already has multiple hypersonic glide vehicle missiles with itself (Shaurya/K15/K4/LRAShM) with BM-04 and Project Dhvani under works. Apart from that our own long range scramjet powered hypersonic cruise missile (Project Vishnu) which will soon go into testing. All of them can be mass produced by our own, with already potentially large stockpile present.

DF-17 is a major threat in Chinese service, they can produce and use them in very large numbers.

 

[Vikramaditya1]

The arms race in India-Pakistan is itself going hypersonic.

I guess India started it?
Or it's hard to say who started it.
Pakistan will blame India; India will blame China; China will blame USA.

There is no arms race between India and Pakistan. Such an arms race exist in your head. India already tested ramjet and scramjet engines like 6 years back and already tested a hypersonic AShM.
Nobody is blaming China or US they are developing indipendantly to stay ahead.