Failure of Pakistan's native cultures to dominate their respective Cultures

[Sainthood 2.0]

Most pashtuns live in Pakistan (2 times more than Afghanistan) yet Afghanistan is synonymous with pashtun and pashtun culture

Most Kashmiris live in Pakistan probably more than twice that of kashmir itself (although it's more like more Irish live in diaspora than Ireland proper)
Yet only reason kashmir is related to Pakistan is because Kashmiri freedom struggle not in a cultural way that kashmirs culture is synonymous with Pakistan

Most Punjabis live in Pakistan than anywhere else 2,3 times that of India and again Punjabi culture is not exactly synonymous with Pakistan

Most baloch live in Pakistan

Only sindh breaks this trend as Sindhi culture is seen as part of larger Pakistani culture (Sindhi topi, ajrak)

It's weird isn't it?

 

[gangsta_rap]

If one tries to topple the other in an attempt to become top dog - you'll have a scenario reminiscent of Yugoslavia in the 90s.

Maybe it's for the best that this 'failure' remains constant. It results in unity - maybe not the most solid form of it but unity none the less.

 

[Mirzali Khan]

Most pashtuns live in Pakistan (2 times more than Afghanistan) yet Afghanistan is synonymous with pashtun and pashtun culture

Most Kashmiris live in Pakistan probably more than twice that of kashmir itself (although it's more like more Irish live in diaspora than Ireland proper)
Yet only reason kashmir is related to Pakistan is because Kashmiri freedom struggle not in a cultural way that kashmirs culture is synonymous with Pakistan

Most Punjabis live in Pakistan than anywhere else 2,3 times that of India and again Punjabi culture is not exactly synonymous with Pakistan

Most baloch live in Pakistan

Only sindh breaks this trend as Sindhi culture is seen as part of larger Pakistani culture (Sindhi topi, ajrak)

It's weird isn't it?

Because of Urdu and Urdu media.

Most pashtuns live in Pakistan (2 times more than Afghanistan) yet Afghanistan is synonymous with pashtun and pashtun culture

Pakistan is a federation as the name is an acronym. Afghanistan is different as Afghan means Pashtun so Afghan culture is primarily going to be dominated by Pashtun culture.

Afghanistan has more Tajiks than Tajikistan but Tajik culture isn't synonymous with Afghanistan its synonymous with Tajikistan because of the name of the countries.

Most baloch live in Pakistan

This is because of lack of Baloch media and that created a space comfortable for separatists to claim that Baloch culture has nothing to do with Pakistan along with Indians saying "Balochistan is not Pakistan" online.

 

[313Ghazi]

Most pashtuns live in Pakistan (2 times more than Afghanistan) yet Afghanistan is synonymous with pashtun and pashtun culture

Most Kashmiris live in Pakistan probably more than twice that of kashmir itself (although it's more like more Irish live in diaspora than Ireland proper)
Yet only reason kashmir is related to Pakistan is because Kashmiri freedom struggle not in a cultural way that kashmirs culture is synonymous with Pakistan

Most Punjabis live in Pakistan than anywhere else 2,3 times that of India and again Punjabi culture is not exactly synonymous with Pakistan

Most baloch live in Pakistan

Only sindh breaks this trend as Sindhi culture is seen as part of larger Pakistani culture (Sindhi topi, ajrak)

It's weird isn't it?

I'm assuming you mean representation of these cultures in the anglosphere? If so - Not really, it doesn't strike me as wierd.

Pakistan has very little achievements, very little positive PR, zero efforts are made to promote Pakistan at the state level, Pakistani people aren't equipped with the means to promote Pakistan. Take the Pakistani disapora abroad - apart from those who went to the US, most in the UK and Europe were simple villagers from dirt poor backgrounds. Even today when we are educated, resourceful and business minded - what Pakistani brands are we meant to export/promote? My friend's e-commerce business was booming, he was one of the top 5 suppliers of Pakistani made salt lamps on Amazon USA and Amazon UK/EU until his Pakistani supplier screwed him over and 2 containers worth of salt lamps got "lost" at Karachi port.

What do we have to worth with? What has Pakistani cinema produced? The last world renowned Pakistani artist was the late Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan.

Our local cultures will get promoted through the promotion of our nation and our goods, especially our art.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Most pashtuns live in Pakistan (2 times more than Afghanistan) yet Afghanistan is synonymous with pashtun and pashtun culture

Most Kashmiris live in Pakistan probably more than twice that of kashmir itself (although it's more like more Irish live in diaspora than Ireland proper)
Yet only reason kashmir is related to Pakistan is because Kashmiri freedom struggle not in a cultural way that kashmirs culture is synonymous with Pakistan

Most Punjabis live in Pakistan than anywhere else 2,3 times that of India and again Punjabi culture is not exactly synonymous with Pakistan

Most baloch live in Pakistan

Only sindh breaks this trend as Sindhi culture is seen as part of larger Pakistani culture (Sindhi topi, ajrak)

It's weird isn't it?

Not really.

You, and I, and everybody else, knows the answer to this one. That answer reflects a decision by the Pakistani state and its population in conformity with what the state decided. It is not certain that the wholesale adoption of a common pooled identity, and of a common pooled language, and several other such features can be reversed. I'm afraid the native cultures you have mentioned may never fully recover from that decision you took together.

 

[Sainthood 2.0]

I'm assuming you mean representation of these cultures in the anglosphere? If so

No, I could care less about representation in anglo sphere (or I do but in a good to have sense) - I mentioned Sindh as the only success story out of all
If you read my post again, you'll understand what I am talking about

nothing to do with economics of Pakistan

 

[313Ghazi]

No, I could care less about representation in anglo sphere (or I do but in a good to have sense) - I mentioned Sindh as the only success story out of all
If you read my post again, you'll understand what I am talking about

nothing to do with economics of Pakistan

Are you suggesting the different ethnic cultures of Pakistan haven't "blended"?

Sorry I don't understand the question.

 

[Fatman17]

A journey across borders and continents — the evolution and persistence of the Attan dance

The neglect of Attan by the media needs to end to preserve the incredible indigenous tradition.

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[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Because of Urdu and Urdu media.



Pakistan is a federation as the name is an acronym. Afghanistan is different as Afghan means Pashtun so Afghan culture is primarily going to be dominated by Pashtun culture.

Afghanistan has more Tajiks than Tajikistan but Tajik culture isn't synonymous with Afghanistan its synonymous with Tajikistan because of the name of the countries.



This is because of lack of Baloch media and that created a space comfortable for separatists to claim that Baloch culture has nothing to do with Pakistan along with Indians saying "Balochistan is not Pakistan" online.

Allowing any culture, sub culture or linguistic group outside of the mainstream loosens the central grip of authority and grants autonomy, which though makes locals content in their respective bubbles the central top down authority's grip weakens. If there was any lesson and legacy of British leftover plug and play bureaucracy it is this... do not allow a local niche.

It is why this farcical theater continues unabated... the wigs, gowns and boots do their bidding as a reflex, a machine... raised on a foreign paradigm the coconuts never even aimed to learn local. The wealth transfer continues unabated from direct colonial rule, British pound then, dollar now... so does the brain drain and labor.

What is left is a perpetual display of mediocrity, now ingrained as you don't have to do much to maintain this structure, it runs on autopilot and foreign acquiescence of the powers that be...

The locals, looking dumbfounded on the turn of events and absolute ridiculousness of the circus... gowns stamping and boots saluting and puppets with silly grins.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Not really.

You, and I, and everybody else, knows the answer to this one. That answer reflects a decision by the Pakistani state and its population in conformity with what the state decided. It is not certain that the wholesale adoption of a common pooled identity, and of a common pooled language, and several other such features can be reversed. I'm afraid the native cultures you have mentioned may never fully recover from that decision you took together.

Not quiet right if I may say...
A wholly-owned subsidiary, a franchise of the first colonial enterprise, The Company. Only the titles changed hands from the company to the crown and then to Uncle Sam!
The structures are not a native demand they are a foreign imposition conducive to their designs. A local looking up would never grasp why a foreign entity be so adamant on the imposition of democracy in this case, local rule, right?
It is in fact this that grants that look of legitimacy and native interest and stakes... something to go for, grant a mandate to the mundane and profane. Except it isn't!
It is this investment and contribution that locals feel cheated or protest against... a perpetual merry-go-round!
Just as in its latest iteration... making it obvious that locals have no stakes, ability to object, change course or redraw the structure... they must endure!

And it isn't like if the opposition, if jailed, represents the native discourse... far from it ... usurps it! It is a supplanted junta, one derived, distinct and a degree removed from the onset at its very core. It cannot present a legitimate organic representation.

Which is why a wholly European world view of yore mimics de jour setup in far off lands. A system evolved primarily on its economic function and division of masses... classifying them on economic scale of labor and aristocracy. Obviating native classical bonds of kinship above the economic fray.

The political parties set in that old western paradigm never truly grasp the original intent nor its native implication. The franchise owners don't really care either way... the only deviation from the menu are the local appetizers and spices.

 

[Joe Shearer]

No quiet right if I may say...
A wholly-owned subsidiary, a franchise of the first colonial enterprise, The Company. Only the titles changed hands from the company to the crown and then to Uncle Sam!
The structures are not a native demand they are a foreign imposition conducive to their designs. A local looking up would never grasp why a foreign entity be so adamant on the imposition of democracy in this case, local rule, right?
It is in fact this that grants that look of legitimacy and native interest and stakes... something to go for, grant a mandate to the mundane and profane. Except it isn't!
It is this investment and contribution that locals feel cheated or protest... a perpetual merry-go-round!
Just as in its latest iteration... making it obvious that locals have no stakes, ability to object, change course or redraw the structure... they must endure!

And it isn't like if the opposition, if jailed, represents the native discourse... far from it ... usurps it! It is a supplanted junta, one derived, distinct and a degree remove from the onset at its very basic level. It cannot present a legitimate organic representation.

Which is why a wholly European world view of yore mimics de jour setup in far off lands. A system evolved primarily on its economic function and division of masses... classifying them on economic scale of labor and aristocracy. Obviating native classical bonds of kinship above the economic fray.

The political parties set in that old western paradigm never truly grasp the original intent nor its native implication. The franchise owners don't really care either way... the only deviation from the menu are the local appetizers and spices.

Interesting, although incomplete.

What should the alternative be, since you have argued that the western models do not work - indeed, should not work, as they are inherently alien to local culture?

Yes, there is a case for your very pertinent remark that the opposition represents not a difference, but a similar borrowed western model, although not the same as the other..

 

[Developereo]

What is this obsession to 'dominate' based on ethnicity?

Across the world we see how some peoples are embroiled in perpetual conflict because they are obsessed with ancient glory and the need for ethnic domination. Middle East and Africa are probably the worst but even Europe has not fully outgrown this mentality, which is why the EU never had any hope of challenging the US.

The US dominates because it is focused on the future, not past glory or ethnic chauvinism.