First specs of Turkish AC project

[Oublious]

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-285 meters long
-68 meter breadth
-25 knots speed
-COGAG not Nucelair
-STOBAR short take off and barrier arrested


Ther are KAAN on the AC ....


Againg this is project what will completed after 15 years. So do not expect 5 years later and ask wher is the AC to me...

 

[hyperman]

It reminds me of the Queen Elizabeth class carriers. similar tonnage as well with 60,000 tonnage. Bigger than I expected. Its interesting that they chose STOBAR, instead of a catapult which we see in similar carriers of that size.

 

[Luciferdd]

The Max speed is too low for a stobar aircarrier

 

[FuturePAF]

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-285 meters long
-68 meter breadth
-25 knots speed
-COGAG not Nucelair
-STOBAR short take off and barrier arrested


Ther are KAAN on the AC ....


Againg this is project what will completed after 15 years. So do not expect 5 years later and ask wher is the AC to me...

I hope they look at what China is doing with its oldest carrier, similar tonnage 60k, and how they are putting the J-35 on board. Also, as the video points out, if China can get a KJ-600 appears and is made to be a standard aircraft on the ski jump carrier (maybe they can retrofit 1-2 EMALS on the port side to launch heavy aircraft, creating a hybrid Stobar/Catobar carrier or find a way to lower the weight of the aircraft and increase the power of the engines).

it would make this design for navy’s without superpower budgets.

A QE style carrier will have limited potential.

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[FuturePAF]

I hope they look at what China is doing with its oldest carrier, similar tonnage 60k, and how they are putting the J-35 on board. Also, as the video points out, if China can get a KJ-600 appears and is made to be a standard aircraft on the ski jump carrier (maybe they can retrofit 1-2 EMALS on the port side to launch heavy aircraft, creating a hybrid Stobar/Catobar carrier or find a way to lower the weight of the aircraft and increase the power of the engines).

it would make this design for navy’s without superpower budgets.

A QE style carrier will have limited potential.

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Maybe we should wait to see if China develops a mini-AWACS for its ski jump carriers. Something like the proposed S-3 AWACS variant. Probably modify the tail to be less embed with the radar array.

Btw, bringing back an S-3 sized turbofan powered aircraft would be great for ASW. A key requirement as the ASW threat from both SSK And SSNs have increased in the past few decades. It could also function as a tanker, and save fighter-bombers for the kinetic roles.

 

[War Lord]

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-285 meters long
-68 meter breadth
-25 knots speed
-COGAG not Nucelair
-STOBAR short take off and barrier arrested


Ther are KAAN on the AC ....


Againg this is project what will completed after 15 years. So do not expect 5 years later and ask wher is the AC to me...

What's the use of this AC in the Mediterranean Sea where everything is close by?

Wouldn't this be a major liability?

Wouldn't it be better to make multiple airfields in neighboring allied countries like Libya?

 

[xbat]

i didnt like that ramp, if we pour that money we can put a little bit more and get a couple catapult on it. so we can use full potential of aircrafts

 

[drkrn86]

What's the use of this AC in the Mediterranean Sea where everything is close by?

Wouldn't this be a major liability?

Wouldn't it be better to make multiple airfields in neighboring allied countries like Libya?

Power projection, especially with Greece.

 

[Ali_Baba]

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-285 meters long
-68 meter breadth
-25 knots speed
-COGAG not Nucelair
-STOBAR short take off and barrier arrested


Ther are KAAN on the AC ....


Againg this is project what will completed after 15 years. So do not expect 5 years later and ask wher is the AC to me...

STOBAR causes more problems that it solve - i do think a catapult is better for launching and recovering aircraft. STOBAR is more restrictive interms of what you can operate from the aircraft carrier interms of aircraft.

I am sure the professional have done the analysis and made the right decision for their operational needs, so best to accept it for what it is.

Building and operating an aircraft carrier is hard - there would be merit in looking at the QE class as the basis for the design as it is "nearly" ( but not fully ) "debugged" as a platform. It is having some hiccups which projects of this complexity all have as issues, but eventually they all get there in the end.

 

[Harbyharb]

Are we sure it is a STOBAR carrier? From the pic presented, the deck plan does not feature an angled landing strip like the British QE class, which implies it's more akin to a STOVL.

If it is indeed a STOVL carrier, given that turkey doesn't have any legitimated VTOL carrier fighter projects, it means Turkey is still determined to acquire and equip F-35Bs for the carrier.

If that's the case, given Turkey's geopolitical circumstance and the maritime needs from an aircraft carrier, which is both aerial denial (against near-peer competitors like Greece in the Med) and power projection in the Middle East, F-35B's capability, especially in operational range, in A2A loadout and or acting as a high survivability ISR platform, is sufficient, no CATOBAR needed.

But given Turkey's political trajectory and determination in strategic independence, that carrier plan would probably see changes before it would ever leave the drawing board...

 

[RedBeard]

What's the use of this AC in the Mediterranean Sea where everything is close by?

Wouldn't this be a major liability?

Wouldn't it be better to make multiple airfields in neighboring allied countries like Libya?

Why do you limit its role to Mediterranean Sea when its literally able to operate anywhere in the world.

 

[RedBeard]

Power projection, especially with Greece.

Nothing to do with Greece. AC is the last thing you need against a neighbouring country which is in reach by different means.

 

[Harbyharb]

Why do you limit its role to Mediterranean Sea when its literally able to operate anywhere in the world.

While there's no hard limit to how far a carrier can go, provided that logistics support is sufficient, I do believe the descision to employ COGAG propulsion is a sign that the ship is more leaning toward short/medium range littoral deployment.

Compared to heavy fuel steam turbine found on American and Chinese conventional carriers, as well as USSR/Russian aircraft cruisers, COGAG powerplant are less space and fuel efficient, and are less resistant to damage, since a smaller number of larger turbine compartments provide less redundancy. What COGAG do win in is in power responsiveness and startup time, where a carrier can cold start in a matter of hours instead of days, and while underway can rapidly change power output in response to complicated underwater geography, incoming fire, or in ASW conditions, which is why COGAG is more often found on surface combatants and amphibious assault vessels like Burke DDG and the Wasp LHD

 

[LegionnairE]

COGAG

 

[GatlingGun]

Why do you limit its role to Mediterranean Sea when its literally able to operate anywhere in the world.

Where else is Turkey gonna use it ?