Gaza-Israel Conflict | 2023-2024

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[Waz]

I try not to get into the history much but... you see, when the UN made the creation of Israel possible in 1948, the UN was okay and the Arabs didn't accept the UN. But when the UNGA and even the Security Council votes against Israel, the UN is biased. You see the Jews call themselves heir to Palestine but then also call themselves 'The Last Outpost of the West in the Middle East'. So who are they really?
This is an open and shut case of yet another European colonialism and I absolutely don't think it's going to last for a long time. Unless Israel changes its ways, it is doomed in 10 years; Colonel Wilkerson says 20 years but I think 10 years.

Solid post. UN = bad now ironically which helped them to establish the state.

 

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[r3alist]

A thoughtful front page columnist on NY Times right now by a self-proclaimed liberal Zionist.
Some of the sanest, most humane voices in America are from Jewish Americans themselves. And they must be appreciated.

Opinion | America Must Face Up to Israel’s Extremism

Government ministers’ calls to depopulate Gaza implicate the U.S.

www.nytimes.com

Two far-right members of Israel’s cabinet — the national security minister, Itamar Ben-Gvir, and the finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich — caused an international uproar this week with their calls to depopulate Gaza. “If in Gaza there will be 100,000 or 200,000 Arabs and not two million the entire conversation on ‘the day after’ will look different,” said Smotrich, who called for most Gazan civilians to be resettled in other countries. The war, said Ben-Gvir, presents an “opportunity to concentrate on encouraging the migration of the residents of Gaza,” facilitating Israeli settlement in the region.


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But it’s not clear, because we’re writing a blank check to a government whose leader is only a bit more coy than Ben-Gvir and Smotrich about his intentions for Gaza. As Israeli news outlets have reported, Netanyahu said this week that the government is considering a “scenario of surrender and deportation” of residents of the Gaza Strip. (Some outlets reported that Netanyahu was referring only to Hamas leaders.) According to a Times of Israel article, “The ‘voluntary’ resettlement of Palestinians from Gaza is slowly becoming a key official policy of the government, with a senior official saying that Israel has held talks with several countries for their potential absorption.”

Some in Israel’s government have denied this, mostly on grounds of impracticality. “It’s a baseless illusion, in my opinion: No country will absorb two million people, or one million, or 100,000, or 5,000,” one official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, told Israeli journalists. And on Thursday, Israel’s defense minister, Yoav Gallant, released a plan for the day after the war that said that, contrary to the dreams of the ultranationalists, there would be no Israeli settlement in Gaza.
But with its widespread destruction of Gaza’s civilian infrastructure, including roughly 70 percent of its housing, Israel is making most of Gaza uninhabitable for the foreseeable future. Disease is rampant in Gaza, hunger almost universal, and the United Nations reports that much of the enclave is at risk of famine. Amid all this horror, members of Netanyahu’s Likud party — such as Danny Danon, Israel’s former ambassador to the United Nations, and Gila Gamliel, Israel’s intelligence minister — are pushing emigration as a humanitarian solution.

“Instead of funneling money to rebuild Gaza or to the failed U.N.R.W.A.,” the United Nations agency that works with Palestinian refugees, “the international community can assist in the costs of resettlement, helping the people of Gaza build new lives in their new host countries,” wrote Gamliel in The Jerusalem Post.
Right now, this is a grotesque fantasy. But as Gaza’s suffering ratchets up, some sort of evacuation might come to appear to be a necessary last resort. At least, that’s what some prominent Israeli officials seem to be counting on.

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If you grew up in a liberal Zionist household, as I did, you’ve probably heard this (possibly apocryphal) Meir quote: “When peace comes we will perhaps in time be able to forgive the Arabs for killing our sons, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons.” There’s much to criticize in this sentiment — its self-regard, the way it positions Israel as the victim even when it’s doing the killing; still, it at least suggests a tortured ambivalence about meting out violence. But this attitude, which Israelis sometimes call “shooting and crying,” is now as obsolete as Meir’s Zionist socialism, at least among Israel’s leaders.

Alternative views to good Israeli ones are only being given once the detestation is complete, never before.

It's for the benefit of their own self perception and to facilitate Palestinians leaving and eventually going away for good.

 

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[r3alist]

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You know, with the protests I was always uneasy about them since Iraq, where essentially they didn't amount to any substantial change. So much energy but it dissipates away with no actual change on the ground in Gaza.

I can see now in some corners Muslims are starting to organise in actual effective ways with their MPs, with not eating in certain places etc

If only this was done years ago before the Gazans had already been subjugated, things would not have gotten so bad. The Gazans say they do not want to be like the native Americans were, well...

 

[Dariush-e Bozorg]

Coward Hezbollah shooting unguided rockets at a random Israeli observation post after Israel humiliated them.

 

[r3alist]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1743341934284828708

 

[Musings]

Coward Hezbollah shooting unguided rockets at a random Israeli observation post after Israel humiliated them.

Greetings and welcome to the forum.

Strange that you
Want to enlighten us to this attack. What perhaps led to this attack?
2 wrongs don’t make a right but when 30,000 Palestinians - mainly civilians have been targeted - hospitals and refugee camps bombed - then maybe this is their way of showimg retaliation.

 

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[MMCM]

Coward Hezbollah shooting unguided rockets at a random Israeli observation post after Israel humiliated

Coward Hezbollah shooting unguided rockets at a random Israeli observation post after Israel humiliated them.

Lol another dipstick armchair warrior who thinks he/she knows best, all talk no action.

 

[Dariush-e Bozorg]

Greetings and welcome to the forum.

Strange that you
Want to enlighten us to this attack. What perhaps led to this attack?
2 wrongs don’t make a right but when 30,000 Palestinians - mainly civilians have been targeted - hospitals and refugee camps bombed - then maybe this is their way of showimg retaliation.

Thanks for the welcome.

I think the news feed of the last 2-3 months can enlighten you on how Israel is taming Hezbollah. Latter is scared and unable to act in a meaningful way to help the Palestinians. Shooting unguided rockets at open fields or observation posts right at the border to ''keep up the image'' is not fooling anyone except a few braindead supporters.

 

[Waz]

Yes, but still they are not jewish.

The Muslim armies brought back the Jews in large numbers after Saladian took the city. They stayed there forever up in good favor through the Mamluk and Ottoman empire years until the establishment of the state of Israel.