Gaza-Israel Conflict | 2023-2024

[UndercoverJIX]

But there is no proportionality in war. Each side fights with all means at its disposal.

Are justifying killing children, women, bombing hospitals etc?

I hope not, because one side is doing it with all the means / support and fresh supply. are these established ROEs of War?

 

[Falcon29]

Urgent| Aerial and artillery bombardment in the Al-Manar neighborhood, southeast of Khan Yunis

https://twitter.com/x/status/1746029412657557705

 

[VCheng]

As is a the sound of a JDAM right before it levels your neighbourhood block.

Of course. The demands for action come from such impacts on civilian populations and hence their use.

 

[VCheng]

Are justifying killing children, women, bombing hospitals etc?

I hope not, because one side is doing it with all the means / support and fresh supply. are these established ROEs of War?

I am not justifying anything. I am just mentioning a fact of war.

 

[UndercoverJIX]

I am not justifying anything. I am just mentioning a fact of war.

Is there a difference between war and Genocide?

War has Rules, genocide NOT.

 

[VCheng]

Is there a difference between war and Genocide?

War has Rules, genocide NOT.

War is war. The rules apply to uniformed combatants in a declared war. There are other types of wars too.

 

[RescueRanger]

Of course. The demands for action come from such impacts on civilian populations and hence their use.

And hence we doth find ourselves at this impasse. Where do we go from here? When does the bloodletting stop?

 

[Sharma Ji]

Hamas unguided rockets have limited range and cannot do much damage to targets due to their limited payload.

Please find an excerpt from the situation report provided by UNOCHA(UN office for coordination of Humanitarian Affairs);

• Intense Israeli bombardments from air, land, and sea continued across much of the Gaza Strip on 12 January, resulting in further civilian casualties and destruction. The firing of rockets by Palestinian armed groups into Israel reportedly continued, and also ground operations and fighting between Israeli forces and Palestinian armed groups across much of the Gaza Strip.
• Between the afternoons of 11 and 12 January, according to the Ministry of Health (MoH) in Gaza, 151 Palestinians were reportedly killed, and another 248 people were reportedly injured. Between 7 October 2023 and 12:00 on 12 January 2024, at least 23,708 Palestinians were killed in Gaza and 60,005 Palestinians were injured, according to MoH.
• Since 11 January and as of 12 January, there were no reports of Israeli soldier killed in Gaza. Since the start of the ground operation, 184 soldiers have been killed, and 1,099 soldiers have been injured in Gaza, according to the Israeli military.
• Access denials of humanitarian missions and severe access constraints by Israeli authorities have risen since the start of the year, with only 21 per cent (five out of 24) of planned deliveries of food, medicine, water and other lifesaving supplies successfully reaching their destinations in northern Gaza. These denials paralyze the ability of humanitarian partners to respond meaningfully, consistently and at-scale, to widespread humanitarian needs.
• On 12 January, the Under-Secretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs and Emergency Relief Coordinator Griffith’s stated that: “Our efforts to send humanitarian convoys to the North have been met with delays, denials, and the imposition of impossible conditions. The lack of respect for the humanitarian notification system puts every movement of aid workers in danger, as do the wholly insufficient quantities of armoured vehicles and the limited communications equipment that we have been allowed to bring in... Providing humanitarian assistance across Gaza is almost impossible.”
• Overall, the rate of access denials for missions to the north of Wadi Gaza seen as of 12 January 2024 presents a significant deterioration when compared with those of December 2023, where more than 70 per cent (13 out of 18) of planned UN missions to the north were coordinated and undertaken, where needs are estimated to be the highest and most severe. Every day of assistance missed results in lost lives and suffering for hundreds of thousands of people who remain in northern Gaza. Access to the north is almost impossible, and access the Deir al Balah and Khan Younis areas is shrinking by the day.
• Since 1 January, Israeli authorities have restricted all six humanitarian missions to resupply fuel to water and wastewater stations in the north, for life-saving water, sanitation and hygiene (WASH) assistance. This denotes a shift from the period between October and December 2023, where only 33 per cent of the missions (2) were restricted . Humanitarian partners have not been able to assess or resupply fuel to Jabalya area since receiving initial reports of water and waste flooding in Jabalya camp on 5 January. At least 100,000 internally displaced persons (IDPs) are estimated to reside in UN and public shelters in that area. The last humanitarian mission reaching there was on the 29 November, during the ceasefire.
• Flooding and waste contamination pose serious health threats. With one latrine shared by hundreds of displaced people, urgent access to the aforementioned areas is imperative. Unmanaged human waste, combined with flooding of water and sewage not only increases health risks, but also causes sustained damage to remaining public infrastructure and induce environmental hazards.
• Since 1 January, only one of ten planned missions in support of health lifesaving and emergency activities (including the provision of medicines) proceeded to north Gaza and they could not be carried out fully. As a result, hospitals in northern Gaza remain without sufficient access to life-saving medical supplies and equipment.
• On 12 January, the World Health Organization (WHO) announced that after more than two weeks, humanitarian partners were able to reach Shifa hospital in northern Gaza. They delivered 9,300 litres of fuel and medical supplies to cover 1,000 trauma and 100 kidney dialysis patients. Shifa hospital has reestablished some of its medical services, with 60 medical staff, ⁠a surgical and medical ward with 40 beds, an emergency department, ⁠four operating theatres, basic emergency obstetric and gynaecologic services, a limited haemodialysis unit, minimal laboratory services, and basic radiology services.
• As of 12 January, less than half of the planned coordinated missions across Gaza (3 of 7) aimed at providing food assistance, including jointly with other sectors, were completed. Two missions were denied access by Israeli authorities and two had to be cancelled due to infeasible access through routes assigned by the Israeli authorities. Only eight per cent (2) of missions were denied access or were on hold due to security concerns between October and December 2023. Due to the increasing access constraints, especially in the north and middle areas, the World Food Programme (WFP) was able to provide food assistance to about 900,000 people through food parcels, wheat, flour, bread at 91 locations, which is a portion of the needs of food assistance in December.
• On 12 January, between 15:30 and 16:00, telecommunication companies in Gaza announced that services had been shut down. This is the seventh time that communications in the Gaza strip have stopped working since 7 October.
• On 12 January, 178 trucks with food, medicine and other supplies entered the Gaza Strip through the Rafah and Kerem Shalom crossings. Under-Secretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs and Emergency Relief Coordinator Griffith’s stated today that: "while we have seen some minor increase in the number of trucks entering via Rafah and Kerem Shalom, humanitarian supplies alone will not be able to sustain more than 2 million people. We cannot replace Gaza’s commercial sector. Commercial goods must be let in, at scale. A growing list of rejected items means we are unable to bring into Gaza supplies to rehabilitate life-sustaining infrastructure. The system for medical evacuation of patients to Egypt is also woefully inadequate in the face of the massive needs.”

Hostilities and casualties (Gaza Strip)

• The following are among the deadliest incidents reported on 11 January and 12 January:
• On 11 January, at about 10:50, a group of Palestinians came under a strike, with six of them reportedly killed, in Abasan Al Kabira, east of Khan Younis.
• On 11 January, at about 19:40, nine people, including a child, where reportedly killed when a house was struck in Ash Shoka neighbourhood, east of Rafah.
• On 12 January, at about 1:00, 14 people were reportedly killed and others were injured as a house was struck west of Deir al Balah.
• On 11 January 2024, at about 17:15, a car was struck in Al Manara, southeast of Khan Younis. Reportedly, minutes later, another strike hit a group of people who were trying to extract those who had been killed from the car. In total, ten people were reportedly killed.

true, but I'll defer to what VCheng ji said

war is not fair

The IDF's stated official objective is 'destruction of Khames' , not gonna happen, they're like the Taliban in many ways

but military se zyada, inka diplomatic clout dekho, US ko stranglehold me le rakha hai !

Sab aar paar ke Arab bros in zanjeers, not a peep from anyone, or meaningless ineffective ones at most.

 

[RescueRanger]

true, but I'll defer to what VCheng ji said

war is not fair

The IDF's stated official objective is 'destruction of Khames' , not gonna happen, they're like the Taliban in many ways

but military se zyada, inka diplomatic clout dekho, US ko stranglehold me le rakha hai !

Sab aar paar ke Arab bros in zanjeers, not a peep from anyone, or meaningless ineffective ones at most.

sharma Ji,

Just remember the analogy of the dog and the stick. Beat a dog enough time and even the most docile creature becomes a lion.

 

[VCheng]

And hence we doth find ourselves at this impasse. Where do we go from here? When does the bloodletting stop?

Your guess is better than mine sir. I can only observe. I hope and pray it stops as soon as possible.

 

[RescueRanger]

true, but I'll defer to what VCheng ji said

war is not fair

The IDF's stated official objective is 'destruction of Khames' , not gonna happen, they're like the Taliban in many ways

but military se zyada, inka diplomatic clout dekho, US ko stranglehold me le rakha hai !

Sab aar paar ke Arab bros in zanjeers, not a peep from anyone, or meaningless ineffective ones at most.

As for Arab nations mainly the important ones, forget about them, they are Kaput.

 

[UndercoverJIX]

War is war. The rules apply to uniformed combatants in a declared war. There are other types of wars too.

Israel declared war and started killing children and bombing hospitals.

is it OK according to your understanding of different types of wars?

 

[VCheng]

Israel declared war and started killing children and bombing hospitals.

is it OK according to your understanding of different types of wars?

Did Israel declare war all by itself or did something happen before it attacked?

 

[UndercoverJIX]

Did Israel declare war all by itself or did something happen before it attacked?

War was declared by Israel after whatever they felt it needed.
After declaring war, whatever Israel did so far, do think (as an observer) that, their actions are justified?

 

[RescueRanger]

Israel declared war and started killing children and bombing hospitals.

is it OK according to your understanding of different types of wars?

The problem here and whilst I do disagree with it is that Hamas is not seen as a conventional combatant, therefore the conventional rules of war need not apply to them.

There is however a clear and legal distinction between targeting of combatants uniformed or otherwise and the indiscriminate targeting of civilian and protected infrastructure which is in contravention of rules of armed conflict;





Furthermore Rule 4 of IHL prohibits targeting of civilians, medical professionals and certain buildings: