Gaza-Israel Conflict | 2023-2024

[Meengla]

@Musings , @Waz
I don't see option to 'Ignore' Moderators in this forum?? I have had enough of someone!! You guys made a mistake making a known NeoCon apologist a Moderator to a very sensitive thread!!

 

[RescueRanger]

A further 20 tonnes of aid were sent from Pakistan to the people of Palestine today.

Image courtesy of NDMA Public relations and Media Cell.

 

[VCheng]

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A further 20 tonnes of aid were sent from Pakistan to the people of Palestine today.

Image courtesy of NDMA Public relations and Media Cell.

The key is getting all this over the border into the hands of the people who desperately need it. That is the most important and yet most difficult part. Egypt and Israel both are not exactly making this easy at all.

 

[r3alist]

Hamas has access to trained fighters and hundreds of millions of dollars in ongoing aid. Is that clear enough?

Has someone not had the courage to tell you that ending every post with a question is not the same as a full stop, or a requirement.

Obviously hamas has some resources, that's adding no value to the comments.

If the USA were to stop arming Israel the entire equation of the conflict changes

 

[RescueRanger]

The key is getting all this over the border into the hands of the people who desperately need it. That is the most important and yet most difficult part. Egypt and Israel both are not exactly making this easy at all.

Well as per UNRWA it’s Israel that has blocked transport of aid across the crossing.

• Access denials of humanitarian missions and severe access constraints by Israeli authorities have risen since the start of the year, with only 21 per cent (five out of 24) of planned deliveries of food, medicine, water and other lifesaving supplies successfully reaching their destinations in northern Gaza. These denials paralyze the ability of humanitarian partners to respond meaningfully, consistently and at-scale, to widespread humanitarian needs.
• On 12 January, the Under-Secretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs and Emergency Relief Coordinator Griffith’s stated that: “Our efforts to send humanitarian convoys to the North have been met with delays, denials, and the imposition of impossible conditions. The lack of respect for the humanitarian notification system puts every movement of aid workers in danger, as do the wholly insufficient quantities of armoured vehicles and the limited communications equipment that we have been allowed to bring in... Providing humanitarian assistance across Gaza is almost impossible.”
• Overall, the rate of access denials for missions to the north of Wadi Gaza seen as of 12 January 2024 presents a significant deterioration when compared with those of December 2023, where more than 70 per cent (13 out of 18) of planned UN missions to the north were coordinated and undertaken, where needs are estimated to be the highest and most severe. Every day of assistance missed results in lost lives and suffering for hundreds of thousands of people who remain in northern Gaza. Access to the north is almost impossible, and access the Deir al Balah and Khan Younis areas is shrinking by the day.
• Since 1 January, Israeli authorities have restricted all six humanitarian missions to resupply fuel to water and wastewater stations in the north, for life-saving water, sanitation and hygiene (WASH) assistance. This denotes a shift from the period between October and December 2023, where only 33 per cent of the missions (2) were restricted . Humanitarian partners have not been able to assess or resupply fuel to Jabalya area since receiving initial reports of water and waste flooding in Jabalya camp on 5 January. At least 100,000 internally displaced persons (IDPs) are estimated to reside in UN and public shelters in that area. The last humanitarian mission reaching there was on the 29 November, during the ceasefire.

Source:

Hostilities in the Gaza Strip and Israel | Flash Update #91 [EN/AR/HE] - occupied Palestinian territory

Situation Report in Arabic on occupied Palestinian territory and 1 other country about Contributions, Education and more; published on 12 Jan 2024 by OCHA

reliefweb.int

 

[VCheng]

If the USA were to stop arming Israel the entire equation of the conflict changes

And others can stop arming Hamas if such acts are to be effective. One-sidedness will never work. Equations have two sides, after all, that need to be balanced.

 

[VCheng]

Well as per UNRWA it’s Israel that has blocked transport of aid across the crossing.

• Access denials of humanitarian missions and severe access constraints by Israeli authorities have risen since the start of the year, with only 21 per cent (five out of 24) of planned deliveries of food, medicine, water and other lifesaving supplies successfully reaching their destinations in northern Gaza. These denials paralyze the ability of humanitarian partners to respond meaningfully, consistently and at-scale, to widespread humanitarian needs.
• On 12 January, the Under-Secretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs and Emergency Relief Coordinator Griffith’s stated that: “Our efforts to send humanitarian convoys to the North have been met with delays, denials, and the imposition of impossible conditions. The lack of respect for the humanitarian notification system puts every movement of aid workers in danger, as do the wholly insufficient quantities of armoured vehicles and the limited communications equipment that we have been allowed to bring in... Providing humanitarian assistance across Gaza is almost impossible.”
• Overall, the rate of access denials for missions to the north of Wadi Gaza seen as of 12 January 2024 presents a significant deterioration when compared with those of December 2023, where more than 70 per cent (13 out of 18) of planned UN missions to the north were coordinated and undertaken, where needs are estimated to be the highest and most severe. Every day of assistance missed results in lost lives and suffering for hundreds of thousands of people who remain in northern Gaza. Access to the north is almost impossible, and access the Deir al Balah and Khan Younis areas is shrinking by the day.
• Since 1 January, Israeli authorities have restricted all six humanitarian missions to resupply fuel to water and wastewater stations in the north, for life-saving water, sanitation and hygiene (WASH) assistance. This denotes a shift from the period between October and December 2023, where only 33 per cent of the missions (2) were restricted . Humanitarian partners have not been able to assess or resupply fuel to Jabalya area since receiving initial reports of water and waste flooding in Jabalya camp on 5 January. At least 100,000 internally displaced persons (IDPs) are estimated to reside in UN and public shelters in that area. The last humanitarian mission reaching there was on the 29 November, during the ceasefire.

Source:

Hostilities in the Gaza Strip and Israel | Flash Update #91 [EN/AR/HE] - occupied Palestinian territory

Situation Report in Arabic on occupied Palestinian territory and 1 other country about Contributions, Education and more; published on 12 Jan 2024 by OCHA

reliefweb.int

That is absolutely unforgivable in my opinion.

 

[Meengla]

And others can stop arming Hamas if such acts are to be effective. One-sidedness will never work. Equations have two sides, after all, that need to be balanced.

That is absolutely unforgivable in my opinion.

You sure do speak from both sides of your mouth, trying to appear 'objective'. Sad to see @RescueRanger can't see that.
Once again: There is NO moral equivalence here. Whatever the Gazans can do to change their condition should be the focus of the discussion instead of being an apologetic for a big occupying military power backed by a Superpower and its allies.

 

[r3alist]

And others can stop arming Hamas if such acts are to be effective. One-sidedness will never work. Equations have two sides, after all, that need to be balanced.

You fundamentally misunderstand.

Equations have balance, I am pointing out its the USA and it's contributions with it's endless support for Israel that's causing the unbalance, the disequilibrium.

Please read carefully, try not to state the obvious.

 

[VCheng]

You sure do speak from both sides of your mouth, trying to appear 'objective'. Sad to see @RescueRanger can't see that.
Once again: There is NO moral equivalence here. Whatever the Gazans can do to change their condition should be the focus of the discussion instead of being an apologetic for a big occupying military power backed by a Superpower and its allies.

Objectivity requires looking at all aspects of any issue. Please feel free to not respond to my posts if they violate your manifest approach of just looking at your preferred side of the coin or conflict. The other side of the same coin, or conflict, simply cannot be wished away.

 

[VCheng]

You fundamentally misunderstand.

Equations have balance, I am pointing out its the USA and it's contributions with it's endless support for Israel that's causing the unbalance, the disequilibrium.

Please read carefully, try not to state the obvious.

I can see that what is happening goes against your personal sense of balance in the matter. Fair enough, that is perfectly understandable.

 

[Avicenna]

The key is getting all this over the border into the hands of the people who desperately need it. That is the most important and yet most difficult part. Egypt and Israel both are not exactly making this easy at all.

Haven't you heard?

There is no need for aid.

You have quite an impressive track record of being the devils apologist.

 

[RescueRanger]

You sure do speak from both sides of your mouth, trying to appear 'objective'. Sad to see @RescueRanger can't see that.
Once again: There is NO moral equivalence here. Whatever the Gazans can do to change their condition should be the focus of the discussion instead of being an apologetic for a big occupying military power backed by a Superpower and its allies.

Sir,

This is not about what I can and can’t see. I always end up getting dragged into these fights .

The thing is we can all agree to disagree and debate without getting angry at each other.

I can fully understand and empathise that this is a sensitive subject. May I offer a suggestion, if you don’t like his posts just ignore them and carry on with your day.

There is no point getting upset about it. Just a suggestion.

 

[RescueRanger]

Haven't you heard?

There is no need for aid.

You have quite an impressive track record of being the devils apologist.

This woman is pure evil.

 

[r3alist]

I can see that what is happening goes against your personal sense of balance in the matter. Fair enough, that is perfectly understandable.

That's off topic, as well as a personal slight from a mod.

I care far more about the off topic direction you always seem to go than silly personal slight.