India shelves biggest project to develop advanced UAV

Wrong powerplant and manufacturing process. There was some pictures floated a while back and they were going with like an upscaled smaller system rather than a purpose designed project.

Oddly, they could have easily gone for license manufacturing of an Israeli system here.
 
moonaman.varavayi said:
The private sector is already beginning to license manufacture the Israeli Hermes-900:

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/navy-to-get-first-india-made-starliner-drone-today-4833642

This project is meant for developing indigenous R&D.

BTW, the title has been altered by the OP - isn't that against forum rules?
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Going foward DRDO will do less and less projects, and India private sector gaints will take over into defence projects. Once Modi is selected for 3 rd term,. this will happen at much much faster pace. Let Govt take care of only - health, education, law-and-order, and infra.
 
Alpha Defense was saying today that, Tapas was based on Boeing's Condor system.

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Only the wingspan on Tapas was shortened, keeping in mind the runways of India. Besides taking a project out from mission mode, doesn't mean the work has totally stopped on it. Its just no longer a important project, and the data generated can be useful for future projects.
 
Oscar said:
Wrong powerplant and manufacturing process. There was some pictures floated a while back and they were going with like an upscaled smaller system rather than a purpose designed project.

Oddly, they could have easily gone for license manufacturing of an Israeli system here.
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That's difference project called Ghatak UCAV.
Even this project continues.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

DRDO to continue with Tapas drone project, to expand its capabilities to operate above 30,000 ft

The DRDO is continuing with its project to further develop the Tapas medium-altitude, long endurance (MALE) drone in which one of the three services has shown interest to use them around the Andaman and Nicobar Islands for operations.
economictimes.indiatimes.com economictimes.indiatimes.com
 
suriya said:
That's difference project called Ghatak UCAV.
Even this project continues.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

DRDO to continue with Tapas drone project, to expand its capabilities to operate above 30,000 ft

The DRDO is continuing with its project to further develop the Tapas medium-altitude, long endurance (MALE) drone in which one of the three services has shown interest to use them around the Andaman and Nicobar Islands for operations.
economictimes.indiatimes.com economictimes.indiatimes.com
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So was the Ghatak with the scaled up smaller structure that doesn’t work or is it this? I think it was this one otherwise they might be shelving Ghatak too.

And the news is funny, if you realized something is not working - reallocate resources and work on something that is more promising instead of trying to fix a bad road. Not like its a high value project when there are much more effective ones available.
 
Oscar said:
So was the Ghatak with the scaled up smaller structure that doesn’t work or is it this? I think it was this one otherwise they might be shelving Ghatak too.

And the news is funny, if you realized something is not working - reallocate resources and work on something that is more promising instead of trying to fix a bad road. Not like its a high value project when there are much more effective ones available.
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Its not that Tapas isn't working, it hasn't met the required parameters. Requirement by Indian Armed forces, was a UAV that could reach altitude of 30,000 feet and fly for 24 hrs. Tapas currently can reach only 28,000 feet and has a flight time of 18 hrs.

Due to this, the project has been taken out of mission mode. They now want to strap on a more powerful engine, but this has to be seen. Current news is that Navy and coastguard might induct it, in limited numbers.

Swift is the scaled down version that was developed, as a Tech demonstrator to validate flying wing configuration. It has been flown and landed successfully, and Ghatak is the full version that is planned. It is supposed to be built in next 2 to 3 years.

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indushek said:
Its not that Tapas isn't working, it hasn't met the required parameters. Requirement by Indian Armed forces, was a UAV that could reach altitude of 30,000 feet and fly for 24 hrs. Tapas currently can reach only 28,000 feet and has a flight time of 18 hrs.

Due to this, the project has been taken out of mission mode. They now want to strap on a more powerful engine, but this has to be seen. Current news is that Navy and coastguard might induct it, in limited numbers.

Swift is the scaled down version that was developed, as a Tech demonstrator to validate flying wing configuration. It has been flown and landed successfully, and Ghatak is the full version that is planned. It is supposed to be built in next 2 to 3 years.

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That makes more sense
 
Oscar said:
So was the Ghatak with the scaled up smaller structure that doesn’t work or is it this? I think it was this one otherwise they might be shelving Ghatak too.

And the news is funny, if you realized something is not working - reallocate resources and work on something that is more promising instead of trying to fix a bad road. Not like its a high value project when there are much more effective ones available.
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Ghatak smaller structure was built to test FBW for flying wing which India has never deisgned before. Those tests are going very well and now the bigger one using the FBW is being built.
 
indushek said:
Its not that Tapas isn't working, it hasn't met the required parameters. Requirement by Indian Armed forces, was a UAV that could reach altitude of 30,000 feet and fly for 24 hrs. Tapas currently can reach only 28,000 feet and has a flight time of 18 hrs.

Due to this, the project has been taken out of mission mode. They now want to strap on a more powerful engine, but this has to be seen. Current news is that Navy and coastguard might induct it, in limited numbers.

Swift is the scaled down version that was developed, as a Tech demonstrator to validate flying wing configuration. It has been flown and landed successfully, and Ghatak is the full version that is planned. It is supposed to be built in next 2 to 3 years.

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I don't know who are the people giving these kinds of bull$hit logic. How many maritime survelance missions require only 30,000 feet and not lesser. Hw many of them will not be executed if you trail for only 28 hours.

Under both of these conditions Tapas will still save us billions under current configuration. Some f***er wants t make money with videshi maal if you ask me.
 
Guynextdoor said:
Under both of these conditions Tapas will still save us billions under current configuration. Some f***er wants t make money with videshi maal if you ask me.
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Tapas Engines are Either Chinese or Canadian

DRDO is making two engines 180 HP which will be ready soon
and 220 HP For future

alphadefense.in

India's MALE Drone Program: Navigating Engine Challenges - alphadefense.in

India's MALE drone program faces engine challenges. Explore alternatives, risks, and the path to achieving strategic autonomy.
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Guynextdoor said:
I don't know who are the people giving these kinds of bull$hit logic. How many maritime survelance missions require only 30,000 feet and not lesser. Hw many of them will not be executed if you trail for only 28 hours.

Under both of these conditions Tapas will still save us billions under current configuration. Some f***er wants t make money with videshi maal if you ask me.
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Use your mind sense. Unlikely they drop the project over missing the target requirement that is not too far.

There must be strong reason why the project is discontinued based on its performance.
 
Indos said:
Use your mind sense. Unlikely they drop the project over missing the target requirement that is not too far.

There must be strong reason why the project is discontinued based on its performance.
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Oh shut it. This is a very conventional UAV, not a strategic one. You're talking about a country that took a jet trainer plane and converted it into a pilotless plane. And projects a 100 times more complex (Ghatak) are proceeding well.

The primary job of this UAV is not to do strategic bombing or precision strikes. It is to carry surveillance payload and fly on ocean, ground etc. so that we fly our poseidons or AWACS a lot less and save money. And from the start the project has been slowed or sabotaged.

A country that con convert this duckling-

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Into an unmanned drone.

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You're saying we can't get this to fly? Nonsense

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