Indonesia is on it's way to normalize with Israel. Then HAMAS attacks

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Israel, Indonesia were on track to normalize ties before Oct. 7: sources​

World’s most populous Muslim nation authorized an agreement to exchange trade offices with Israel, with a signing ceremony set for October 2023
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Former Israeli Foreign Ministry Director-General Ronen Levy (left), former State Department Senior Advisor for Regional Integration Dan Shapiro, Joey Allaham, former Israeli Foreign Minister Eli Cohen and Andi Widjajanto, senior adviser to the president of Indonesia met in September 2023 in Jerusalem.
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Lahav Harkov
February 28, 2024
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Israel and Indonesia had planned to announce the establishment of diplomatic relations in October 2023, a move that was delayed by the Hamas terror attack on Israel and subsequent war in Gaza, three sources involved in the negotiations told Jewish Insider.

Israel’s then-Foreign Minister Eli Cohen and departing Indonesian President Joko Widodo’s office approved a final draft of an agreement for the Jewish state and the country with the world’s largest Muslim population to exchange trade offices, as a first step towards full diplomatic relations, sources involved in the talks said.

October 2023 was a likely date for the official announcement, in conjunction with a planned meeting of the Negev Forum in the middle of the month, though November, when Widodo visited the White House, was also under consideration. Jakarta also tracked progress towards Israel-Saudi normalization, thinking that there would be less blowback if both happened within a short period, one source said.

Indonesia planned to open a trade office in Ramallah at the same time.

Andi Widjajanto, a senior adviser to Widodo, and Ronen Levy, then the director-general of the Foreign Ministry and one of the key Israeli players in the Abraham Accords, met in Jerusalem in September, along with Dan Shapiro, who at the time was the State Department’s senior advisor for regional integration, to finalize the text, as seen in a photo provided by one of the sources involved in the talks. New York-based businessman Joey Allaham played a key role in the negotiations, as well.

Though Shapiro was present and a small number of American officials were in the loop about the negotiations, Jakarta did not make any specific requests of Washington.

The countries reached a memorandum of understanding on Sept. 21 stating that the countries seek to “expand upon the Abraham Accords and promote peace, co-existence, mutual understanding, and respect among peoples of all faiths, ethnicities and nationalities.”

The MOU also stated that the sides support “improving the daily lives of the Palestinian people” and a peaceful resolution to the conflict.

Jakarta and Jerusalem agreed to open reciprocal liaison offices focused on developing bilateral relations, with an emphasis on economy, trade, technology, innovation and culture. In addition, the offices would be authorized to provide consular services.

Not written in the MOU, but in another document viewed by Jewish Insider, is an agreement that the sides would work on a mechanism to provide business visas to Indonesians and Israelis through the trade offices.

Indonesian President-Elect Prabowo Subianto, who won election earlier this month, has long supported normalization with Israel and, as defense minister, met with Israel’s then-National Security Adviser Eyal Hulata. However, as the negotiations took place months before the election, Widodo planned to finalize full normalization with Israel before he left office.

The sides also talked about removing Israel from Indonesia’s visa blacklist. Currently, tens of thousands of Christian pilgrims from Indonesia visit Israel each year, but it is very difficult for Israelis who do not have a passport from another country to visit the Southeast Asian archipelago state, which includes popular tourist destination Bali.

The draft agreement came after about four months of negotiations. Israelis who have found ways to do business in Indonesia, mostly in agri-tech, as well as American Jews who work with Jakarta, played a role in bringing the countries together.

After the Gaza war began, “the sides said we need to wait, because the timing is problematic,” a senior diplomatic source said.

Still, the source noted that Indonesia “did not say the agreement is off the table — it just was not the right timing.”

The senior diplomatic source said that Jakarta was convinced to establish relations with Israel following the success of ties between Israel and the UAE, and that Indonesia’s sizable Christian minority — about 29 million people or 10% of the population — is pro-Israel.

This story was updated at 2:30 p.m. ET to include part of the text of a memorandum of understanding between the two countries.

 
Hamas attacks of course torpedo all of it. HAHA :p

Like I said, Jakarta has always been OK with Israel, and the government is capitalizing on relative calm to recognize Israel.

Now Indonesia-Israel normalization could wait for the next 50-100 years. LOL
 
Duh, stupid logic. How on earth Indonesia is about to make relation with Israel ? Learn about Indonesian politics first dude. Any government in Indonesia will fall if they recognize Israel

That Indonesian above is Christian actually, so he has some leaning toward Israel, understandable

This is several years ago, under Trump administration. Indonesia even warn Australia not to recognize Jerusalem as Israel capital

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Hamas attacks of course torpedo all of it. HAHA :p

Like I said, Jakarta has always been OK with Israel, and the government is capitalizing on relative calm to recognize Israel.

Now Indonesia-Israel normalization could wait for the next 50-100 years. LOL

Hamas supporter trying to justify Hamas stupid action

First, recognize Hamas strategy is wrong as it has been proven with this Gaza destruction...

Supporting stupid and idiot Hamas will cause another disaster for Palestinians
 
Now TEMPO, also reports it


The Indonesia MoFA will of course deny it


But nobody is that easily fooled. Like I said, domestic concerns from the anger from Indonesia's large Muslim population is always the concern that prevent Jakarta to fully normalize with Israel.


From fighter jets, small arms deal, intelligence cooperation to spying equipment. Everyone knows Jakarta has a significant back channel cooperation with Tel Aviv.

One of the thing I like about politics is just how easily one unpredictable event turn upisde down a meticulously long-planned agenda (like normalizing with Israel):ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:.

Pro Israeli lobby in my country will be pissed
 
All Indonesian Political Parties support Palestine, including Nationalist PDI-P party

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Indonesia is democracy country with concervative Muslim society

Learn Politics 101

You cannot go against your people in democracy system

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Indonesia's head of largest Muslims orgs back then visiting Israel

Yahya Staquff

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According to one op-ed in TheDiplomat. Indonesia-Israeli normalization is "no longer looks impossible" citing Yahya Staquff's visit to Israel:

"Furthermore, the recent election of Yahya Cholil Staquf as the new chairman of the Nahdlatul Ulama (NU), Indonesia’s largest Islamic organization, could be a game-changer. Yahya visited Israel in 2018, is well known for his frequent contacts with the West, and recently reaffirmed NU’s support for the Palestinian people. His brother Yaqut Cholil Qoumas is also a moderate Muslim cleric and the current minister of religious affairs. Finally, charismatic firebrand preacher Rizieq Shihab is currently imprisoned, which could prevent Indonesia’s Islamist groups, who staunchly oppose the normalization of relations with Israel, from coalescing around him."
This is way back in 2022, people who look at the matter will notice the jump of concerted propaganda effort to make Israel look positive in Indonesia back then.
 
It is possible that the majority of Indonesians support Hamas and the 7/10 attacks.

Yeess
However, Israel has no hostility against Indonesia. When there are so many countries that are anti-Israel, adding a few more to the anti-Semitic list won't make a difference. :unsure:
We don't care if they have no hostility against us, the Muslims would like them to vacate back to Europe. Until then, it;s open enmity


What I like about Israel is that they are always looking for opportunities to cooperate and do business with countries that are hostile to them :whistle:. That's pure pragmatism.

We will make open pragmatic business with them once they pack their back and turn back to Europe
The only exceptions are Hamas and the Palestinians, as peace negotiations are impossible in this situation. It only helps Hamas have more time and prepare more attacks similar to October 7 on Israel

Nope, I think Muslims worldwide would not want a normalization. Because that would justify a zionist occupation of the holy land.

No way.
 
First, recognize Hamas strategy is wrong as it has been proven with this Gaza destruction...
I support Hamas doing it again and would be happy to see another one again, and if Hamas is destroyed, then I support someone else doing it again and again.
 
Duh, stupid logic. How on earth Indonesia is about to make relation with Israel ? Learn about Indonesian politics first dude. Any government in Indonesia will fall if they recognize Israel

That Indonesian above is Christian actually, so he has some leaning toward Israel, understandable

They don't have to be christian, they could be hindus, budhist, atheist, free thinkers, including moderate muslims, or whoever who is not plagued with the certain ideology (anti semits).
 
They don't have to be christian, they could be hindus, budhist, atheist, free thinkers, including moderate muslims, or whoever who is not plagued with the certain ideology (anti semits).

What Anti Semits ?

Abraham comes from Iraq, Arab country.

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