Pakistan Army Infantry - Support from other Arms

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Some western militaries constantly use fire power from other arms to support their infantry for every mission. Infantry goes in, finds a target, requests fire support from Armor, Artillery, Aviation (Gunships/UAV), Air Force (CAS Fighter/Fighter-Bomber/Strategic Bomber etc) or in some cases Navy (Naval sir support/Frigate/Destroyer etc) to take out the target. In Pakistan Army, Infantry, is considered to go in and complete the job even if the fire support is not available. 1948, 1965, 1971 wars have been fought with infantry having little or no supporting firepower from other arms.

This was also seen in 1999 kargil war, when only fire support was artillery. Gunships were not used. Armor and Navy couldn't operate in the mountains. PAF was not keep in the loop at the start of Ops and later conducted AD CAPs.

This time around for COIN war, PA has used Armor, Artillery, Aviation Gunships and PAF fighter-bombers to assist the infantry in clearing insurgent strongholds. On top of that PA has also raised specialized infantry formations to conduct warfare in urban theater of war- LCB (Light Commando Battalion) with secondary skill set as Air Assault qualified.

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Opinion for Strategy in Planning

Coming to conventional war, should Pakistan Infantry assault an enemy position if it:

1. Always has support from Armor, Artillery, Aviation and Air Force? (all support assets ready to deploy)

2. Just has support from Armor or Artillery ? (either Tanks or Howitzers)

3. Just has support from UAV/UCAV/ Aviation Gunships ? (if other support assets cannot reach or do not have the range)

4. is led by SSG or LCB, after that the regular infantry regiments can assault ?

5. is on its own, since it has the necessary light weapons to accomplish the task ?

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ISSUES

Issues without heavy firepower from supporting arms are:

1. Causality Rate increases . Un-necessary loss of life. Pakistan has lost thousands of soldiers in the recent COIN war as well as conventional wars in the past

2. Delay in time for capturing a position. Critical delays can cause failures in consolidating a position.

3. Pakistan is pre-dominantly an Infantry Army including para military. Armor-Infantry ratio is miserable. Aviation has very gunships as well as UAV/UCAV to support half million troops. Some trainer aircraft in PAA can be fitted with weaponry but their survival will be questionable in presence of enemy AD and AF. Pakistan Artillery is the only firepower which is considered reliable.

4. Training doctrine allows infantry to conduct assault with or without supporting fire power. So it is expected that infantry will assault with or without fire support.

5. PAF has a history of not providing CAS until recently now in COIN war.

6. Navy is restricted to coastline only and doesn't operate assets for providing firepower in Punjab/KPK/AJK.

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WARFARE PSYCHOLOGY

The use of T-59/AZ MBTs and AH-1 Gunships supporting infantry on front lines in COIN created psychological havoc on insurgents. The insurgents didnt fear LMG/RPG and took cover in dug outs and tunnels and caves during Artillery fire. In the face of heavy insurgent fire power, when the MBTs when rolled on the ground with infantry forcing the insurgents to retreat and who were then picked out by AH-1 and targeted to be be stopped in their tracks. Similarly, PAF jets gave no reaction time to insurgents to flee and take cover.

In conventional war with the enemy, the morale and motivation of Infantry rises up to the sky, when the MBT tracks are heard as their main guns look for targets as well as rotors of Gunships are seen hovering above them, loaded with different kinds of weaponry. Friendly Air force in the horizon is also a mark of victory since Infantry knows that bombs will be dropped on enemy positions to soften up enemy defences and command is hell bent for this Operation to succeed.

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QUESTION for FUTURE

Should the MO (Military Ops) Directorate in its future planning, only sends infantry, if, the necessary support elements with their firepower are available and will take part to conduct an operation successfully ?
 
Question:
@Panzerkiel @arjunk
Has Pakistan developed a Meals Ready to Eat ( MRE) kit to be carried by Infantry soldiers at the front?
All major armed forces in the world followed the lead set by the USA which developed a "K" rations kit in World War 2 and subsequently refined it to a MRE, ( Meals Ready to Eat ) kit . NATO, and Warsaw Pact countries quickly followed suit. The Soviet Union and China also developed their own MRE kits.

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So what do Pakistani infantry troops eat while serving on the front?
This interesting because our enemy appears to be still following the 19th Century British legacy field kitchen or "langad" to feed its troops. The diet of Indian troops mostly consists of rice-dal khichdi, a low protein diet. The soldiers onky have meat once a week and that too 100 gms per head per single meal. Indian para-military soldiers are known to have complained about the quality of food given to them in the field and uploaded videos of the meals.
It would be useful to compare the calories and diet of the Indian infantry soldiers with Pakistan China
 
Nice thread, will be following. Also I want to ask one thing as a follow up to Close Air Support (CAS) role in PA.

Does PA have US equivalent Joint Terminal Attack Controller (JTAC) (NATO equivalent Forward Air Controller)?

These guys are expert coordinators or communicators between ground forces and air force to facilitate in providing precise air support. They basically act as a communication path between ground forces and air force or air aviation to translate the unit's needs into specific instructions for the pilots.

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Question:
@Panzerkiel @arjunk
Has Pakistan developed a Meals Ready to Eat ( MRE) kit to be carried by Infantry soldiers at the front?
All major armed forces in the world followed the lead set by the USA which developed a "K" rations kit in World War 2 and subsequently refined it to a MRE, ( Meals Ready to Eat ) kit . NATO, and Warsaw Pact countries quickly followed suit. The Soviet Union and China also developed their own MRE kits.

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So what do Pakistani infantry troops eat while serving on the front?
This interesting because our enemy appears to be still following the 19th Century British legacy field kitchen or "langad" to feed its troops. The diet of Indian troops mostly consists of rice-dal khichdi, a low protein diet. The soldiers onky have meat once a week and that too 100 gms per head per single meal. Indian para-military soldiers are known to have complained about the quality of food given to them in the field and uploaded videos of the meals.
It would be useful to compare the calories and diet of the Indian infantry soldiers with Pakistan China
Pakoras and Samosas
 
Question:
@Panzerkiel @arjunk
Has Pakistan developed a Meals Ready to Eat ( MRE) kit to be carried by Infantry soldiers at the front?
All major armed forces in the world followed the lead set by the USA which developed a "K" rations kit in World War 2 and subsequently refined it to a MRE, ( Meals Ready to Eat ) kit . NATO, and Warsaw Pact countries quickly followed suit. The Soviet Union and China also developed their own MRE kits.

View attachment 144728

So what do Pakistani infantry troops eat while serving on the front?
This interesting because our enemy appears to be still following the 19th Century British legacy field kitchen or "langad" to feed its troops. The diet of Indian troops mostly consists of rice-dal khichdi, a low protein diet. The soldiers onky have meat once a week and that too 100 gms per head per single meal. Indian para-military soldiers are known to have complained about the quality of food given to them in the field and uploaded videos of the meals.
It would be useful to compare the calories and diet of the Indian infantry soldiers with Pakistan China

Yes, ho
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Hopefully we get a weapon upgrade for Pakistani infantry a new gun.
 
Question:
@Panzerkiel @arjunk
Has Pakistan developed a Meals Ready to Eat ( MRE) kit to be carried by Infantry soldiers at the front?
All major armed forces in the world followed the lead set by the USA which developed a "K" rations kit in World War 2 and subsequently refined it to a MRE, ( Meals Ready to Eat ) kit . NATO, and Warsaw Pact countries quickly followed suit. The Soviet Union and China also developed their own MRE kits.

View attachment 144728

So what do Pakistani infantry troops eat while serving on the front?
This interesting because our enemy appears to be still following the 19th Century British legacy field kitchen or "langad" to feed its troops. The diet of Indian troops mostly consists of rice-dal khichdi, a low protein diet. The soldiers onky have meat once a week and that too 100 gms per head per single meal. Indian para-military soldiers are known to have complained about the quality of food given to them in the field and uploaded videos of the meals.
It would be useful to compare the calories and diet of the Indian infantry soldiers with Pakistan China
Dal is actually a okayish source of protein but it depends on how much you eating of course.
 
Dal is actually a okayish source of protein but it depends on how much you eating of course.
Dal can only be eaten warm or hot, Don't know how palatable cold Dal is. MRE kits are eaten cold though some soup cans have a chemical heating tube in the center of the top cover, into which a soldier can insert a slow burning powder cartridge to heat the soup without generating smoke.
MRE kits have a high protein content. A 1965 Army war veteran was recalling how in the Sialkot sector, the rations were delivered to the artillery batteries. The so-called "MRE" kits of that era consisted of dry kababs wrapped in roti, with some sliced onions, and boiled vegetables. The whole kit was wrapped in old newspapers and tied with strings. These had to be consumed quickly before the meat spoiled in the heat. A fresh kit was delivered thrice daily for every meal and Supply Corps couriers risked their lives facing sniper fire delivering food to the troops.

This raises an interesting question about what our enemy troops eat. The are such strict preferences based on caste, and region, as well as vegetarian non-vegetarian rules that their Army supply boys must be having quite a job to observe . What do Indian troops eat in Siachen is also an intriguing question. Dal and rice would certainly not provide the calories needed to sustain the cold.
Thanks to @DESERT FIGHTER for providing pictures of the PA MRE kits. It is comforting to know our boys are well looked after,

Meanwhile here is a footage of enemy troops eating shortly after the May 2025 clash with Pakistan.

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Question:
@Panzerkiel @arjunk
Has Pakistan developed a Meals Ready to Eat ( MRE) kit to be carried by Infantry soldiers at the front?
All major armed forces in the world followed the lead set by the USA which developed a "K" rations kit in World War 2 and subsequently refined it to a MRE, ( Meals Ready to Eat ) kit . NATO, and Warsaw Pact countries quickly followed suit. The Soviet Union and China also developed their own MRE kits.

View attachment 144728

So what do Pakistani infantry troops eat while serving on the front?
This interesting because our enemy appears to be still following the 19th Century British legacy field kitchen or "langad" to feed its troops. The diet of Indian troops mostly consists of rice-dal khichdi, a low protein diet. The soldiers onky have meat once a week and that too 100 gms per head per single meal. Indian para-military soldiers are known to have complained about the quality of food given to them in the field and uploaded videos of the meals.
It would be useful to compare the calories and diet of the Indian infantry soldiers with Pakistan China
Just logged on after a while. We have MREs and our troops are well fed compared to Indians.

No idea how Indians plan on feeding their troops daal in the frozen wasteland that is the Baltistan/Ladakh region during campaigning season.
 
Just logged on after a while. We have MREs and our troops are well fed compared to Indians.

No idea how Indians plan on feeding their troops daal in the frozen wasteland that is the Baltistan/Ladakh region during campaigning season.

Do you have any pictures of our MREs or more details?
 
How can the bhairav battalion be compared to the LCBs???
 

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