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Judge says removal of Confederate statue at Arlington can proceed​

By Olivia Diaz, Justin Wm. Moyer and Gregory S. Schneider
Updated December 19, 2023 at 8:29 p.m. EST|Published December 19, 2023 at 5:54 p.m. EST

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Workers prepare a Confederate memorial for removal at Arlington National Cemetery on Monday. (Kevin Wolf/AP)

A day after halting work to remove the Confederate memorial at Arlington National Cemetery, a federal judge in Virginia on Tuesday said he would allow the removal to proceed.

On Tuesday evening, Judge Rossie D. Alston Jr. of the U.S. District Court of the Eastern District of Virginia ruled against a request from a group called Defend Arlington that the memorial remain undisturbed.

In an opinion denying a preliminary injunction, Alston wrote that the “case essentially attempts to place this Court at the center of a great debate” between the Confederacy’s detractors and defenders. He found that the group that had sought to stop the removal, Defend Arlington, had not shown it was in the public interest to leave the memorial in place, nor had it shown that adjacent graves were being disturbed by the activity.

The ruling was the latest turn in a long effort to dispense with the divisive statue, which the Army had slated for removal this week.
The memorial, depicting a Black woman holding the baby of a White Confederate officer and an enslaved man accompanying his enslaver into battle, was commissioned in 1914 by the United Daughters of the Confederacy. “To our dead heroes,” the monument reads above a Latin saying that praises lost causes.
Last year, the Pentagon directed that the monument be dismantled and its bronze figures removed following the recommendation of a Naming Commission established by Congress to review military facilities celebrating the Confederacy. Defend Arlington unsuccessfully sued in D.C. District Court earlier this year to halt removal of the memorial.

On Sunday, the same group sought another order from the Eastern District of Virginia after equipment was moved into place and the memorial area was blocked off in preparation for work scheduled Monday. Alston issued a temporary restraining order Monday, citing Defend Arlington’s allegation that graves were being disturbed.
Judge halts removal of Confederate memorial at Arlington National Cemetery
At a hearing Tuesday, Alston said he visited the site and checked on whether any freshly dug soil or tire tracks marked the area where people were buried. He observed a crane on a roadway near the monument but away from the grass, he said. Alston also said he noticed “protective devices” placed above the nearby graves to shield them.

“I saw nothing to suggest anything was being compromised at all,” Alston said during the hearing. “I saw great respect.”

Attorneys representing Defend Arlington disagreed. Karen C. Bennett said the “respect” that Alston witnessed was inconsistent with what descendants of those interred saw.
Bennett described machinery encroaching on one grave and gravestones being temporarily removed. She also cited the potential for vibrations and moisture to disturb neighboring graves, saying the Defense Department shouldn’t have the power to remove the monument.
“The government does not have the authority,” she said.
Alston rebuffed her.
“I hope you would understand that the illustrations on that memorial may be difficult and hurtful to some people,” Alston said. “We should not be celebrating slavery — that’s what some people believe.”

Alston also noted that Gov. Glenn Youngkin (R) announced that the monument would be relocated to another site in Virginia. Defend Arlington said that wasn’t enough.

“Our belief is that its removal from Arlington will destroy it,” Bennett said.

Government attorneys, meanwhile, argued that the case had already been decided — by the litigation earlier this year in the District.
“The alignment of the parties in this case is essentially the same,” said Gregory M. Cumming, an attorney representing the government.
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In a statement issued after the ruling Tuesday evening, cemetery spokeswoman Kerry Meeker said the removal would proceed.

“In accordance with this evening’s court ruling, the Army will resume the deliberate process of removing the Confederate Memorial from Arlington National Cemetery immediately,” Meeker wrote. “While the work is performed, surrounding graves, headstones and the landscape will be carefully protected by a dedicated team, preserving the sanctity of all those laid to rest in Section 16.”

An attorney for Defend Arlington, John P. Rowley III, issued a statement late Tuesday night: “While we respect the Court’s decision, we continue to believe the evidence shows that in its haste to remove the Reconciliation Memorial, the DoD failed to conduct the reviews mandated by law regarding historic preservation and environmental impacts.”
The hearing also came as Republican legislators in Virginia targeted the contractors involved in the work. Three Republican state senators wrote to Youngkin on Monday demanding that he bar any Virginia companies connected to the Arlington monument’s removal from doing business with the state.
“While these businesses may be able to contract with the federal government to tear down historic monuments to our country and which are Virginia antiquities, the Commonwealth should not be party to contracts with such enterprises,” wrote Sen.-elect Glen Sturtevant, a former senator who will start a new term in January representing a Richmond-area district.

His letter was co-signed by Sen.-elect John McGuire, a former delegate recently elected to a rural, central Virginia Senate district, and Sen. Frank Ruff (R-Mecklenburg), who recently announced his retirement for health reasons.

Youngkin’s office did not respond to a request for comment on the letter.

Devon Henry, whose Team Henry Enterprises is overseeing the Arlington work and has handled the removal of nearly two dozen Confederate monuments in Richmond and elsewhere, replied on X, formerly Twitter, that Sturtevant’s message was “extremely distasteful yet not surprising.”
White contractors wouldn’t remove Confederate statues. So a Black man did it.

Henry, a Black contractor who has faced death threats since taking on statue removals beginning in 2020, was appointed by Democratic former governors Terry McAuliffe and Ralph Northam to the board of visitors at Norfolk State University and now serves as rector.

“Hey @GlenSturtevant,” Henry wrote, “how would you feel if you found out that the contractor is also a VA GUBERNATORIAL APPOINTEE??? Would you request he be removed from serving the Commonwealth?”

Alex Horton contributed to this report.
 
After 12 years of Virginia history lessons in Virginia public schools in the period 1951-1963 I have mixed feelings about the eradiication of most of the symbols of the Confederacy. There are still many schools and roadways in Virginia that have a part of their name named after Robert E. Lee, such as Washington and Lee High School in Arlington. Arlington cemetery itself is located on the land of the Curtis Lee plantation, which was Robert E. Lee's home before it was lost to "Yankee" troops early in the US Civil War. Removing the symbols of the Confederacy is easier than removing all of the references to US Founding Fathers that owned slaves. Take Washington, D.C. for example. Oh, well. Such is the "progress" of the United States as it seeks a more perfect Union.
 
After 12 years of Virginia history lessons in Virginia public schools in the period 1951-1963 I have mixed feelings about the eradiication of most of the symbols of the Confederacy. There are still many schools and roadways in Virginia that have a part of their name named after Robert E. Lee, such as Washington and Lee High School in Arlington. Arlington cemetery itself is located on the land of the Curtis Lee plantation, which was Robert E. Lee's home before it was lost to "Yankee" troops early in the US Civil War. Removing the symbols of the Confederacy is easier than removing all of the references to US Founding Fathers that owned slaves. Take Washington, D.C. for example. Oh, well. Such is the "progress" of the United States as it seeks a more perfect Union.

One can never change history, only what lessons one might learn from it. That is all.
 
One can never change history, only what lessons one might learn from it. That is all.

You won't hear a peep about this from the same crowd that sheds lakes of tears about the removal of signs of Muslim and Mughal rule in India.

Double standards?

Of course.

Cheers, Doc
 
You won't hear a peep about this from the same crowd that sheds lakes of tears about the removal of signs of Muslim and Mughal rule in India.

Double standards?

Of course.

Cheers, Doc

I would say the same about that, too. What others say, or do not, is not up to me. All I can do is be consistent and fair in what I do say.
 
I would say the same about that, too. What others say, or do not, is not up to me. All I can do is be consistent and fair in what I do say.

Good.

My point, made earlier, stands and holds good here too.

When a culture wins, supplanting another, it sets out to defile its temples and tear down its edifices.

This has been true through the anals if history.

Be it Alexander's sack of Persepolis.

Or the Arab conquest of Persia.

Or the Mughal conquest of India.

Or the defeat of the Confederate army.

Or the takeover of the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Or the inexorable creep of militant Hindu identity in India.

Cheers, Doc
 
Good.

My point, made earlier, stands and holds good here too.

When a culture wins, supplanting another, it sets out to defile its temples and tear down its edifices.

This has been true through the anals if history.

Be it Alexander's sack of Persepolis.

Or the Arab conquest of Persia.

Or the Mughal conquest of India.

Or the defeat of the Confederate army.

Or the takeover of the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Or the inexorable creep of militant Hindu identity in India.

Cheers, Doc

But what has that to do with removal of the Confederate statue, you know, the topic of this thread, in the Americas section?
 
History DID happen. You can't easily erase it. Sanitising history. What a bunch of clowns
 
History DID happen. You can't easily erase it. Sanitising history. What a bunch of clowns

I would change the plaque and teach everybody the proper lesson to be learned here: Any gross injustice can be glorified, for a while, before it falls down inevitably.
 
But what has that to do with removal of the Confederate statue, you know, the topic of this thread, in the Americas section?

That it is simply humans being humans?

Was that really so subtle a message as to evade you?

Cheers, Doc
 
I would change the plaque and teach everybody the proper lesson to be learned here: Any gross injustice can be glorified, for a while, before it falls down inevitably.


Just don't destroy it. Why not put all of the Confederate statues in a museum right next to a Union statue museum? That way, all could see them all in one place instead of spread out all over the country?
 
That it is simply humans being humans?

Was that really so subtle a message as to evade you?

Cheers, Doc

Not really. I wanted you to make your intent clear for others who may see me as somehow being partial. Thank you.

Just don't destroy it. Why not put all of the Confederate statues in a museum right next to a Union statue museum? That way, all could see them all in one place instead of spread out all over the country?

Or leave them all over the country wherever they are, so that more people can be exposed to a suitable detailed plaque as I suggested above.
 
Good.

My point, made earlier, stands and holds good here too.

When a culture wins, supplanting another, it sets out to defile its temples and tear down its edifices.

This has been true through the anals if history.

Be it Alexander's sack of Persepolis.

Or the Arab conquest of Persia.

Or the Mughal conquest of India.

Or the defeat of the Confederate army.

Or the takeover of the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Or the inexorable creep of militant Hindu identity in India.

Cheers, Doc


The Confederates were Americans too. This is their history. Erasing it is nonsense.

Nothing like what happened to you Indians if you start erasing your foreign input to in your culture & language in india you will strip Indian people bare naked of any identity you will have zero showcase to outsiders
 
What about the confederate flag? Is it actually banned in the US?

I think not, coz I've seen it painted on the tops of some custom cars.

Cheers, Doc

The Confederates were Americans too. This is their history. Erasing it is nonsense.

Nothing like what happened to you Indians if you start erasing your foreign input to in your culture & language in india you will strip Indian people bare naked of any identity you will have zero showcase to outsiders

That is patently wrong and inaccurate at so many levels. But I will leave it here, having made a broader relevant point.

Incidentally, I agree with you on the Confederates.

Cheers, Doc
 
What about the confederate flag? Is it actually banned in the US?

I think not, coz I've seen it painted on the tops of some custom cars.

Cheers, Doc

Freedom of expression is generally protected, and displaying the confederate flag on private property is covered.
 

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