Taiwanese Pilot Planned CH-47 Defection To China: Reports

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As part of the plot, the pilot was also allegedly offered safe passage for his family to Thailand should a Chinese invasion of Taiwan occur.
by Oliver Parken
PUBLISHED Dec 11, 2023

A Taiwanese pilot, allegedly planning to defect to the People's Republic of China (PRC), was reportedly offered $15 million USD to deliver a CH-47 Chinook helicopter to the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN). As part of the defection scheme, the individual was supposedly set to land the Chinook on a PLAN vessel in the Taiwan Strait. Along with the money offered, the pilot was also apparently assured by Chinese officials that his family would be given safe passage out of Taiwan should a potential conflict between the country and China erupt.
The pilot in question has been named as Lt. Col. Hsieh of the Republic of China Army (ROCA) as part of an indictment released by Taiwan's High Court Prosecutors Office today. Hsieh was arrested back in August following a tip-off, a Taiwan court heard today, which foiled the defection scheme. According to reports, Hsieh — as well as a wider spy ring within the Taiwanese military connected to his defection — has been on the radar of Taiwanese law enforcement since the spring. Prior to today's revelations, lawmakers previously indicted a group of active and retired Taiwanese officers on November 27 on the grounds of spying for Beijing.


As per reporting by the South China Morning Post, Hsieh was originally approached in June by alleged Chinese intelligence officials via a retired ROCA officer. As part of his defection scheme, Hsieh was set to fly a CH-47SD Chinook helicopter — of which the ROCA currently has roughly eight of — onto a People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) vessel in the Taiwan Straight. Which PLAN vessel this pertains to remains unclear, although multiple outlets suggest it was to have been one of China's two existing aircraft carriers; either Type 001 Liaoning or Type 002 Shandong.
Hsieh suggested that the PLAN perform naval drills close to the port city of Kaohsiung in southern Taiwan in advance of his defection, prosecutors contend. This was suggested in order to prevent the lieutenant colonel from having to cross the sensitive "median line" which bisects the Taiwan Strait and serves as a de facto boundary between mainland China and Taiwan.
Circumventing the median line would have minimized the chances of the Chinook being intercepted by Republic of China Air Force (ROCAF) fighters on its way to the PLAN vessel, prosecutors argue.
Kaohsiung seen in relation to Taiwan and mainland China. <em>Google Maps</em>

Kaohsiung seen in relation to Taiwan and mainland China. Google Maps

"According to the instruction from the [mainland] agents, Lieutenant Colonel Hsieh was asked to fly the helicopter at low altitude along the coastline to the Chinese Communist carrier which would be staging drills close to the waters 24 nautical miles off [Taiwan]," the indictment reads, as per the South China Morning Post.
It isn't clear what would have happened to the other crew on the Chinook as the type always flies with a second pilot and crew chiefs.
Why China would want this helicopter isn't perfectly clear, but the PLA does not fly a tandem rotor type at this time, but they are surely looking to develop improved heavy-lift designs. The CH-47SD model is something of a precursor to more recent models of the Chinook, which would have made it even more enticing for reverse engineering purposes. The avionics onboard as well as the crew's potential intelligence value could have also been attractive.
In terms of financial compensation, Hsieh was initially offered $6,355 USD per month, equivalent to some $200,000 in New Taiwan Dollars (NTD), to defect and deliver the helicopter. However, he declined the offer, owing to the significant risks involved. A counter-offer of $15 million USD, which reports suggest came to half the overall cost of the helicopter, along with a $1 million USD "deposit" was subsequently agreed between Hsieh and Chinese officials, according to the indictment.
From the start, it was agreed by the mainland side that Hsieh’s wife and children would be helped to emigrate to Thailand — specifically via sourcing Thai visas — should a potential invasion of Taiwan by China occur in the near future. According to Taiwanese prosecutors, Hsieh conducted a teleconference with Chinese operatives in July to discuss the details of the defection, as well as contingency plans for his family’s emigration to Thailand.
Of course, China has a track record of courting Taiwanese military officers to defect, prompting efforts by Taiwan's law makers to clamp down on its neighbors' ability to steal sensitive information. Speaking to lawmakers today, Taiwan’s Defense Minister Chiu Kuo-cheng said of Hsieh's indictment, "I feel pained too, to have discovered a case like this and those allegedly involved must be dealt with according to the law."
A separate investigation has been completed by Taiwan’s military and security agencies into Hsieh's case, the country’s Ministry of Defense noted.


However, the revelation that Hsieh discussed with PRC officials plans for his family to emigrate to Thailand underscores fears of a possible Chinese intervention in Taiwan in the minds of Taiwanese military officials. The promise of hefty payments and lavish gifts alone may, on its own, provide less weight in enticing defectors to China going forward given said concerns.
As The War Zone has highlighted repeatedly, both Taiwanese and U.S. officials have pointed to this likelihood of a Chinese intervention in Taiwan for some time. Senior U.S. military officials have noted the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) could be in a position to launch an invasion against Taiwan by 2027, or potentially sooner. There is has been a major uptick in escalatory aerial and naval drills squared against Taiwan by China's military. These have significantly increased in the past 18 months, particularly following former Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August last year.
While legal proceedings connected to Hsieh's alleged espionage activities have only just begun, the new revelations no doubt point to a broader and potentially troubling range of factors motivating Taiwanese military officials to defect to China.

 
Why China would want this helicopter isn't perfectly clear, but the PLA does not fly a tandem rotor type at this time, but they are surely looking to develop improved heavy-lift designs. The CH-47SD model is something of a precursor to more recent models of the Chinook, which would have made it even more enticing for reverse engineering purposes.

This is the most interesting part of the story for me, due to the many inferences that can be made.
 
lOl , of course, China only knows copying and pasting, keep believing this and you won't lose any sleep over China.
 
This story makes no sense. China already has a working sample of a CH-47 in the Beijing aviation museum. It also evaluated the chopper in the 1980's and ultimately decided against buying it. Why would China offer money for something it already has and deemed unsuitable?

Sounds more like Taiwan election propaganda from the green camp.
 
China already has a working sample of a CH-47 in the Beijing aviation museum. It also evaluated the chopper in the 1980's and ultimately decided against buying it.

A museum piece compared to a working in service unit? And was the Chinook ever offered for sale to China that China decided not to buy?
 
This sounds like a extremely far fetched story, same as three Gorges Dam collapsing and Chinese aircraft carrier cracks...
And why China needs to get a piece of junk which is over half a century old?
 
This story makes no sense. China already has a working sample of a CH-47 in the Beijing aviation museum. It also evaluated the chopper in the 1980's and ultimately decided against buying it. Why would China offer money for something it already has and deemed unsuitable?

Sounds more like Taiwan election propaganda from the green camp.
I saw that one, looks pretty crappy, together with other foreign old junks collecting dust in a very dark exhibition room.

在越南战争期间,中国从越南得到过一架完好无损的CH-47“支奴干”运输直升机。除此之外,在上世纪80年代中美关系历史最佳时期,美国对中国提供了大量高技术武器,其中就包括了CH-47“支奴干”直升机。

Google translate
During the Vietnam War, China received an intact CH-47 "Chinook" transport helicopter from Vietnam. In addition, during the best period in the history of Sino-US relations in the 1980s, the United States provided China with a large number of high-tech weapons, including CH-47 "Chinook" helicopters.
 
A museum piece compared to a working in service unit? And was the Chinook ever offered for sale to China that China decided not to buy?
It was an intact chopper donated by Vietnam captured from South Vietnam. Also, China and US enjoyed a period of good relations in the 1980's. US offered China S-70, UH-1 as well as heavy lift helicopters at that time.

This story makes no sense and DPP is known to cook up "red scare" close to election time.
 
It was an intact chopper donated by Vietnam captured from South Vietnam. Also, China and US enjoyed a period of good relations in the 1980's. US offered China S-70, UH-1 as well as heavy lift helicopters at that time.

This story makes no sense and DPP is known to cook up "red scare" close to election time.

S-70? China has them. UH-1? Okay. But where is the CH-47 in this list? Nope.

A museum donation of a left-behind relic vs. a working in-service copy of a heavy lift helicopter that China still does not have to this day? I stand by my assessment.
 
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S-70? China has them. UH-1? Okay. But where is the CH-47 in this list? Nope.

A museum donation of a left-behind relic vs. a working in-service copy of a heavy lift helicopter that China still does not have to this day? I stand by my assessment.
CH-47 was evaluated by the PLA in the 1980's, but was not purchased. China did not have the money to buy everything offered by the US at the time. Several units (Boeing-234) were shipped to China for testing in the Tibetan Plateau. While the performance was deemed to be satisfactory, it was overly complicated for maintenance and too expensive for China to operate at the time.

到了80年代初期,随着两国关系的缓和,美国考虑向中方提供先进武器,其中最成功、也是广为人知的一笔交易,当属购买24架“黑鹰”中型直升机。实际上,在“黑鹰”之外,美国还提供了CH-47直升机。当时,CH-47的民用型号波音-234进入中国,还在西藏高原地区进行了载重试飞,据说表现相当出色。

China already inducted Z-8L into service, which offers better performance than CH-47A.
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Your assessment is poor at best.
 
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CH-47 was evaluated by the PLA in the 1980's, but was not purchased. China did not have the money to buy everything offered by the US at the time. Several units (Boeing-234) were shipped to China for testing in the Tibetan Plateau. While the performance was deemed to be satisfactory, it was overly complicated for maintenance and too expensive for China to operate at the time.

That Chinese copy of the SA321 with the Pratt&Whitney engines can lift only half the payload of a Chinook. Exaggerate much? 😁
 
That Chinese copy of the SA321 with the Pratt&Whitney engines can lift only half the payload of a Chinook. Exaggerate much? 😁
. If China had such dire need for heavy lift chopper, it could have bought Mi-26 from Russia in the 1990's. Even the domestic heavy lift helicopter program has been quietly sidelined in recent years in favor of improving existing designs.

1. Comparing the latest Z-8L to orginal SA321 is like comparing CH-47A to CH-47F.

2. The new units are equipped with domestic WZ-6C engines since P&W engines are no longer possible to import.

3. Maximum liftoff weight of new Z-8L exceeds 15 tons and can be expect to improve further when WZ-10 engines are installed.

Got anymore ignorant crap you want to spill?
 
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