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Trump says he would encourage Russia to ‘do whatever the hell they want’ to any NATO country that doesn’t pay enough​

By Kate Sullivan, CNN
Sun February 11, 2024

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Former President Donald Trump on Saturday said he would encourage Russia to do “whatever the hell they want” to any NATO member country that doesn’t meet spending guidelines on defense in a stunning admission he would not abide by the collective-defense clause at the heart of the alliance if reelected.

“NATO was busted until I came along,” Trump said at a rally in Conway, South Carolina. “I said, ‘Everybody’s gonna pay.’ They said, ‘Well, if we don’t pay, are you still going to protect us?’ I said, ‘Absolutely not.’ They couldn’t believe the answer.”

Trump said “one of the presidents of a big country” at one point asked him whether the US would still defend the country if they were invaded by Russia even if they “don’t pay.”

“No, I would not protect you,” Trump recalled telling that president. “In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. You got to pay. You got to pay your bills.”

President Joe Biden said Sunday that Trump “is making it clear that he will abandon our NATO allies” and outlined the potential consequences of Trump’s comments.

“Trump’s admission that he intends to give Putin a greenlight for more war and violence, to continue his brutal assault against a free Ukraine, and to expand his aggression to the people of Poland and the Baltic States are appalling and dangerous,” Biden said in a statement via his campaign.

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, meanwhile, said Sunday that Trump’s comments about the alliance put European and American soldiers at risk.

“Any attack on NATO will be met with a united and forceful response,” Stoltenberg said in a statement. “Any suggestion that allies will not defend each other undermines all of our security, including that of the US, and puts American and European soldiers at increased risk.”

European Council President Charles Michel on Sunday described comments from Trump on NATO “reckless,” adding they “serve only Putin’s interest.”

At the core of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and enshrined in Article 5 of the treaty is the promise of collective defense — that an attack on one member nation is an attack on all the nations in the alliance. Trump has long complained about the amount other countries in NATO spend on defense compared with the United States and has repeatedly threatened to withdraw the US from NATO. But his comments Saturday are his most direct indication he does not intend to defend NATO allies from Russian attack if he is reelected.

Trump has for years inaccurately described how NATO funding works. NATO has a target that each member country spends a minimum of 2% of gross domestic product on defense, and most countries are not meeting that target. But the figure is a guideline and not a binding contract, nor does it create “bills”; member countries haven’t been failing to pay their share of NATO’s common budget to run the organization.

Republican Sen. Marco Rubio, who has endorsed Trump, said Sunday he had “zero concerns” about the former president’s NATO comments.

Rubio told CNN’s Jake Tapper on “State of the Union” that Trump was merely reflecting on an anecdote from his presidency, arguing member nations weren’t “paying their dues” until Trump “used leverage” to push NATO countries to “step up to the plate.”

“Trump’s just the first one to express it in these terms,” the Florida Republican said.

As president, Trump privately threatened multiple times to withdraw the United States from NATO, according to The New York Times. Trump has described NATO as “obsolete” and has aligned himself with Russian President Vladimir Putin, who wants to weaken the alliance. Trump has long praised Putin and went as far as to side with the Russian leader over the US intelligence community over Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential election.
 
After elected, Trump should put the money where his mouth is and disband NATO.
 
haha love this guy he just doesn't give a ****
 

Nato chief warns Europe cannot deter Russia without US help​

Military alliance is growing increasingly concerned about possibility of a second Trump presidency

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The EU says it will deliver an additional €50bn in aid to Ukraine while a US package is held up in Congress © PA

Sam Jones, Guy Chazan and John Paul Rathbone in Munich
FEBRUARY 17 2024

Nato countries will be unable to plug the gap created by the US withholding military aid for Ukraine, the alliance’s secretary-general has warned.

“I welcome all efforts by Canada and European allies, but the most important single decision is a decision of the US to agree a package of support, because of the magnitude and the military capabilities [of the US],” said Jens Stoltenberg on the sidelines of the Munich Security Conference in Germany on Saturday.

“We are dependent on the US . . . it is vital.”

His remarks come amid mounting disquiet in Nato about the possibility of a second Donald Trump presidency in the US and the Republican party’s veto against further aid to Kyiv, which they have tied to a dispute over Mexican border security.

The warning puts recent moves by European powers to try make up for absent US military support for Ukraine into stark perspective, and pours cold water on the notion that Europe can deter Russia alone.

For the past two days at the Munich Security Conference — an annual gathering of politicians, diplomats, military brass and intelligence chiefs — the faltering state of Ukraine’s military defence, and Putin’s apparent growing confidence, has dominated discussion.

The conference opened on Friday to news of Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny’s death in a Siberian prison. On Saturday news of Ukraine’s withdrawal from the critical eastern city of Avdiivka was announced.

Following the EU’s decision this month to deliver an additional €50bn in aid to Ukraine, attendees have discussed what steps European countries could take to offset the loss of US support.

“We should stop moaning and whining and nagging about Trump,” said the outgoing Dutch prime minister Mark Rutte — who has been talked of as a possible successor to Stoltenberg.

“It’s up to the Americans. I’m not an American, I cannot vote in the US. We have to work with whoever is on the dance floor,” he added, praising European efforts to arm Ukraine and recent additional commitments.

German chancellor Olaf Scholz, whose government signed a €1.1bn security package for Ukraine this week, said: “If we are credible here, [Vladimir] Putin will understand that there can be no dictated peace at Russia’s behest.”

Scholz said he had spent time in Munich “urgently campaigning” for other European capitals to boost military spending.

Appearing in person, Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy made an impassioned appeal for more weapons.

He pointedly declined to answer a question on what message he had for US politicians opposing aid, indicating it would be undiplomatic to do so. But he did invite Trump to visit Ukraine and experience “real war”, adding that he would even take the Republican presidential frontrunner to the front lines if necessary.

“Keeping Ukraine in the artificial deficit of weapons, particularly in deficit of artillery and long-range capabilities, allows Putin to adapt to the current intensity of the war,” he said in his speech. “The self-weakening of democracy over time undermines our joint results.”

Republican politicians attending the conference faced more direct criticism from others.
“Europe is on fire,” Tobias Ellwood, the former chair of the UK parliamentary defence committee told US Senator Pete Ricketts, who sits on the Senate foreign relations committee. “We are absolutely baffled at how this is being tied to the Mexico border issue.”

Estonian prime minister Kaja Kallas said that “6 per cent of our nation is Ukrainian refugees. In America that would be 20mn people.” She criticised what she said was a “what’s in it for us” attitude in Washington.

“History rhymes. We saw this already in the 1930s. American isolationism . . . not stopping the aggressor when we had the chance. And then seeing aggression spread all over the world.”

 
The so called "allies" are hell bent to bleed America dry, only Trump can see that "allies" are liabilities, not assets.
 

Trump will quit NATO, Hillary Clinton says, as anxiety mounts over U.S. commitment to the alliance​

PUBLISHED SAT, FEB 17 202412:30 PM ESTUPDATED SAT, FEB 17 202412:58 PM EST
Karen Gilchrist@_KARENGILCHRIST

KEY POINTS
  • NATO members on Saturday weighed the U.S.’s possible withdrawal from the military alliance if Donald Trump returns to the White House.
  • Trump’s one-time presidential rival Hillary Clinton said he would waste no time in quitting NATO if re-elected in November.
  • NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg was more sanguine, saying he believes the U.S. will remain “a staunch and committed NATO ally” regardless of the election outcome.
WEST PALM BEACH, FLORIDA - FEBRUARY 16: Former U.S. President and current GOP Presidential candidate Donald Trump addresses the press at Mar-a-Lago on February 16, 2024, in West Palm Beach, Florida. Trump spoke about a New York judge who ordered him to pay $355 million and barred him from running New York businesses for fraudulently inflating net worth. (Photo by Joe Raedle/Getty Images)

Former U.S. President and current GOP Presidential candidate Donald Trump addresses the press at Mar-a-Lago on February 16, 2024, in West Palm Beach, Florida.
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MUNICH, Germany — NATO members on Saturday weighed the U.S.′ possible withdrawal from the military alliance if Donald Trump returns to the White House, with Hillary Clinton saying he would waste no time in quitting if re-elected.

Clinton urged delegates at the Munich Security Conference to take her one-time presidential rival’s tough talk “literally and seriously” as anxiety mounts over the future of the U.S.-led pact.

“He will pull us out of NATO,” Clinton told attendees during a lunchtime session.

Trump stoked fresh concerns over the U.S.′ commitment to NATO last weekend when he said he would “encourage” Russia to attack any member that doesn’t meet its spending targets. He has long criticized the alliance’s failure to ensure members make good on their obligation to contribute 2% of gross domestic product to defense.

Amid such rhetoric, the U.S. Congress passed a bill in December aimed at preventing any U.S. president from unilaterally withdrawing from the alliance without congressional approval.

U.S. quit NATO? ‘That is never going to happen,’ says Republican Senator Jim Risch

U.S. Republican Senator Jim Risch, ranking member of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, on Saturday dismissed talk of the U.S. quitting NATO, saying: “We have answered that question.”

“It would take a two-thirds vote in the United States Senate to get out — that is never going to happen,” he told CNBC in Munich.

Clinton said, however, that Trump could actually just refuse to fund the alliance. “The U.S. will be there in name only,” she said.

Trump versus NATO​

Concerns over the U.S. and Europe’s continued military coordination have dominated discussions at this year’s annual defense summit in Germany, as the specter of a second Trump presidency looms large and a contentious aid package for Ukraine hangs in the balance in the U.S. House of Representatives.

Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte earlier Saturday referenced constant “moaning and whining” at the event about the future of NATO under Trump.

“Stop moaning and whining and nagging about Trump,” he said.

He was one of many European voices, including that of German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen, who said that Europe needed to become self-sufficient in the face of a more uncertain future with its closest diplomatic ally.

“No matter what happens in the U.S. ... we have to be able to protect ourselves,” Frederiksen said.

Indeed, Germany’s defense minister said that his country’s commitment to spend 2% of GDP on defense should be just the start, noting that the threshold could rise to 3.5% if necessary.

NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg struck a more sanguine tone on transatlantic coordination, however, saying that believes the U.S. will remain “a staunch and committed NATO ally” whatever happens in the upcoming election.

“I expect that regardless of the outcome of the U.S. elections in November, the U.S. will remain a staunch and committed NATO ally,” he told CNBC’s Silvia Amaro.

“It is in the security interests of the United States to have a strong NATO,” he added.

Stoltenberg acknowledged Trump’s frustration with member spending, but said “that is now changing.” On Wednesday, NATO announced that 18 of the alliance’s 31 members will meet the 2% spending target this year.

NATO member countries first committed to minimum spending targets in 2006, but by 2014 only three had met the threshold.

The alliance will mark its 75th anniversary this year at an annual summit to be held in Washington in July.

Senator Risch said he would like to see all members committing to meeting their target by that point.

“Talk about it happening years in the future isn’t now, and we’re always interested in now,” he said. “That’s helpful to the relationship: everybody keeping the commitments that they made.”

 

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