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A momentous shift is under way in global markets as investors pull billions of dollars from China’s sputtering economy, two decades after betting on the country as the world’s biggest growth story.

Much of that cash is now heading for India, with Wall Street giants like Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Morgan Stanley endorsing the South Asian nation as the prime investment destination for the next decade.

That momentum is triggering a gold rush. The $62 billion hedge fund Marshall Wace has positioned India as its biggest net long bet after the US in its flagship hedge fund. An arm of Zurich-based Vontobel Holding AG has made the country its top emerging-market holding and Janus Henderson Group Plc is exploring fund-house acquisitions. Even Japan’s traditionally conservative retail investors are embracing India and paring exposure to China.

Investors are paying close attention to the contrasting trajectories of two of Asia’s greatest powers. India, the world’s fastest-growing major economy, has vastly expanded infrastructure under Prime Minister Narendra Modi in his bid to lure global capital and supply lines away from Beijing. China, on the other hand, is grappling with chronic economic woes and a widening rift with the Western-led order.

“People are interested in India for several reasons — one is simply it’s not China," said Vikas Pershad, Asian equities portfolio manager at M&G Investments in Singapore. “There’s a genuine long-term growth story here."

While the bullish sentiment about India isn’t new, investors are more likely now to see a market that resembles the China of times past: a vast, dynamic economy that’s opening up to global money in novel ways. Nobody expects a smooth ride. But most are making the crossover anyway, calculating that the risks of betting against India are greater.

History shows that India’s economic growth and the value of its stock market are closely linked. If the nation continues to expand at 7%, the market size can be expected to grow on average by at least that rate. Over the past two decades, gross domestic product and market capitalization rose in tandem from $500 billion to $3.75 trillion.

Aniket Shah, global head of environment, social and governance practice at Jefferies Group LLC., said a recent investor call about India was one of the firm’s best-attended.

“People are really trying to figure out what’s going on in India," he said.

Follow the Money​

Capital flows reflect the enthusiasm. In the US exchange-traded fund market, the main fund buying Indian stocks received record inflows in the final quarter of 2023, while the four largest China funds combined saw outflows of almost $800 million. Active bond funds have put 50 cents to work in India for every dollar they pulled from China since 2022, according to EPFR data.

In mid-January, India briefly overtook Hong Kong to become the world’s fourth-largest equity market. To some investors, the South Asian nation will only rise higher. Morgan Stanley predicts India’s stock market will become the third-largest by 2030. Its weight in the MSCI Inc.’s benchmark for developing-market equities is at an all-time high of 18%, even as China’s share has shrunk to its lowest on record at 24.8%.

“In terms of index weights, China would be lower and India bigger," said Mark Matthews, the Singapore-based head of Asia research at Bank Julius Baer, which launched its first-ever India fund last year. “That’s the direction."

New Investors​

Japan’s retail investors, who have traditionally favored the US, are also warming up to the country. Five of their India-focused mutual funds now feature among the top 20 by inflows. Assets at the largest — Nomura Indian Stock Fund — are at a four-year high.

Hedge funds including Marshall Wace point to India’s strong growth and relative political stability as reasons to remain optimistic about consistent pockets of growth, even if the broader market still has expensive valuations.

Karma Capital, which manages money in India for institutions like Norges Bank, says US investors are especially eager to enter and learn more about the market. Rajnish Girdhar, the fund’s chief executive, recalled one client responding with unusual speed to several India queries.

“We would send something Friday and before we returned Monday morning, she’d have responded, which means she was working on the weekend," he said.

Old Rivalry​

India has capitalized on changing power dynamics with China, a decades-long rival.

If China is viewed as a threat to the Western global order, India is regarded as a potential counterweight — a country increasingly equipped to assert itself as a viable manufacturing alternative to Beijing. Nations like the US see the need to have strong business ties with India, even though they’ve criticized the country’s tax policies. India now accounts for more than 13% of the iPhone’s global output and is pouring trillions of rupees into upgrading infrastructure.

These efforts are part of Modi’s plan to sell India as the world’s new growth engine. The government will boost infrastructure spending by 11% to 11.1 trillion rupees ($134 billion) in the coming fiscal year, Finance Minister Nirmala Sitharaman said last week in her interim budget speech.

“The investment cycle is picking up with public capital expenditure and infrastructure initiatives," said Jitania Kandhari, deputy chief investment officer for solutions and multi-asset group at Morgan Stanley Investment Management.

India is also building a vast ecosystem of technologies aimed at pulling many more people into the digital marketplace. Alphabet Inc.’s Google Pay plans to work with India’s mobile-based payments system — which generates billions of trades every month — to expand services beyond the country.

“For the first time, you have hundreds of millions of Indians with a bank account and access to credit," said Ashish Chugh, a money manager at Loomis Sayles & Co. “This is bound to attract global companies to India — and with them global investors, too."

Priced for Perfection​

Some hurdles do persist. The euphoria has made Indian equities among the most expensive in the world. The popular S&P BSE Sensex Index has almost tripled from its March 2020 low, while earnings have only about doubled. The gauge trades at more than 20 times future earnings, 27% more expensive than the average for the 2010 to 2020 period.

Stretched valuations and Beijing’s recent attempts to support its markets have prompted some investors to contemplate a change in strategy. Global funds took out more than $3.1 billion from local shares in January, the largest monthly total in a year, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.\

“An enormous success is priced into India’s markets," said Mark Williams, a fund manager at Somerset Capital Management. “But the question is how much of that is not priced in. There’s certainly a risk that Indian markets can go sideways for some years."

Investors are bracing for a correction after eight straight years of annual gains in local shares. Modi is expected to win a third term in office during this year’s national elections, especially after his party’s sweep of recent state polls signaled existing policy will continue. But a weakened ruling party could jolt markets in the short run.

“The way the state election results have panned out it looks like we should have continuity in the government. But you never say never," said Peeyush Mittal, portfolio manager at Matthews International Capital Management LLC.

Turning India’s potential into an economic reality that benefits all citizens is a tough ask, especially in a multilingual democracy with vast cultural differences between states.

“India still has a long way to go," said Charles Robertson, head of macro strategy at FIM Partners Ltd. “Potential peak growth is still under what China did achieve."

The Big Picture​

Even with those risks, India fans say they’re investing for the long term. With a still-low per capita income, the country is setting the stage for multi-year expansion and new market opportunities, they say.

“There is always the possibility of scandals, social polarization and political noise," said Aninda Mitra, head of Asia macro and investment strategy at BNY Mellon Investment Management. “Despite all this, if you believe the economy is poised to grow to about $8 trillion-plus by this time in the next decade, the volatility is worth it."

India’s once-insular financial markets will continue to open up. With foreign ownership just above 2%, the nation’s $1.2 trillion sovereign-bond market is being added to JPMorgan Chase & Co’s global debt index from June. The move may lure as much as $100 billion of inflows in the coming years, according to HSBC Asset Management.

India is also stepping up efforts to globalize the rupee, albeit at a more modest scale than China’s yuan expansion. Still, the potential is there when combined with the government’s development of GIFT City — a free market pilot project in western India that aspires to become a global financial hub unhampered by rules and taxes. It’s a prospect with echoes of Shenzhen’s opening up in 1980 as a special economic zone.

Confidence in India stems from the long-term impact of such initiatives, not necessarily from the near-term outlook on the nation’s stocks and bonds, according to Gaurav Narain, a money manager who advises India Capital Growth Fund.

“There is no longer a need for a ‘sell the India story’ pitch from us," he said. “It’s a ‘buy into India’ from people who are aware of the positive changes."
 
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Investors dig into India's stock market as China flounders, discount risks​


MUMBAI, Feb 5 (Reuters) - India's $4 trillion stock market is pulling in billions of dollars of domestic and foreign money as investors flock to a fast-growing alternative to China, brushing aside risks around overpriced shares, upcoming elections and regulatory uncertainty.

The stream of investment has lifted the benchmark NSE Nifty 50 Index (.NSEI), opens new tab by a third in the last 10 months and attracted $20 billion in foreign inflows in 2023, according to India's national depository data.

India's allure is rising this year as global investors seek substitutes for sickly Chinese markets and as expectations grow that national elections this year will see current Prime Minister Narendra Modi return for a rare third term.

And investors seem happy to overlook risks, such as the already lofty levels the market is priced at and any political surprises.

"The recent rally notwithstanding ... the upcoming elections notwithstanding, I think India is a good market for long term investors," said Vikas Pershad, portfolio manager for Asian equities at M&G Investments.

A steady flow of cash into the stock market from regular retail investment plans, currently averaging $2 billion a month, and buying by domestic institutional investors have been tailwinds.

Goldman Sachs sees the Nifty index, currently around 22,000, hitting 23,500 by the end of 2024, while local brokerage ICICI Securities expects a nearly 14% jump.

The market has become one of the world's most expensive ones. The 12-month forward price-to-earnings ratio, a widely used valuation measure, is 22.8 for the Nifty 50, three times China's and higher even than the U.S. S&P 500 valuation at 20.23, according to LSEG data.

Despite lofty valuations, ICICI Securities expects Nifty earnings to grow at a compounded annual rate of 16.3%.

Global investors' desire to own a piece of the brightest market in the emerging world has been the catalyst, says Remi Olu-Pitan, head of multi-asset growth and income at asset manager Schroders, but that has meant an under-appreciation of the vulnerability and risks.

"Whilst longer term we like India, we completely agree with the growth story, we just worry the market might not be pricing some of the risks that are brewing at the moment," she said.

According to the International Monetary Fund (IMF), India’s GDP is expected to grow by 6.5% in 2024, versus China whose growth estimate is 4.6%.

PERFORMANCE PRESSURE​

To be sure, investors are bracing for possible short-term volatility, particularly around the elections, and for the Nifty's rise to be less than linear. As they look to hedge the risk, implied stocks volatility (.NIFVIX), opens new tab is rising.

The chief risk is the level of expectations.

"It is not India or China, but India and China," says Nilesh Shah, chief executive officer of Mumbai-headquartered Kotak Mutual Fund, referring to how investors now think of the two markets.

"Since India’s premium valuation is on account of other markets not doing that well, now if they start doing well, things could change," he said. And that, he said, meant the market would need to keep delivering better and consistent earnings growth.

While China's efforts to stabilise its economy and markets have yielded little so far, foreigners have been returning to mainland markets (.CSI300), opens new tab this year on hopes of an eventual rebound.

"A large chunk of the country’s appeal right now is that it is not China," said Jeff Weniger, head of equity strategy, WisdomTree Investments.

"In other cycles, we could confidently say that the prospect of these stimulus packages from Beijing would lift all boats, but the risk to India is a bull run in China taking away the intense fear that currently engulfs that stock market."

Stock market regulator the Securities and Exchange Board of India (SEBI) is already cautious.
As domestic institutions, which received inflows of over $22 billon in 2023 , burst at the seams, SEBI asked asset managers to stress test their mid and small-cap funds and tightened scrutiny of offshore funds which have concentrated holdings in local stocks.

Domestic ownership of Indian stocks is now at 35.6%, dwarfing the 16% foreign ownership. The remainder is owned by promoters, an Indian markets term for large shareholders who can influence company policy. FACTBOX-How foreign investors can invest in India read more )

The May election, however, is front and centre on investors' risk maps.

While Modi is hugely popular and his party is expected to maintain its majority in the country's parliament, a weaker than expected result could dampen its ability to push through economic measures that have helped drive markets higher.

“I think the political risk is the highest, so I would call it a low probability, high impact event,” Hemant Mishr, chief investment officer at Singapore-based fund management company S CUBE Capital said.

“If it were to materialise, that would, more than the Middle East crisis, will have a bigger impact on India sentiment.”
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India is perfectly placed now with a young population, thriving middle class, strong political will, and most importantly a declining China.
lOl, it's still too early to compare with a country whose economy is 5 times of yours. Pick someone your own size first.
 
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A momentous shift is under way in global markets as investors pull billions of dollars from China’s sputtering economy, two decades after betting on the country as the world’s biggest growth story.

Much of that cash is now heading for India, with Wall Street giants like Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Morgan Stanley endorsing the South Asian nation as the prime investment destination for the next decade.

That momentum is triggering a gold rush. The $62 billion hedge fund Marshall Wace has positioned India as its biggest net long bet after the US in its flagship hedge fund. An arm of Zurich-based Vontobel Holding AG has made the country its top emerging-market holding and Janus Henderson Group Plc is exploring fund-house acquisitions. Even Japan’s traditionally conservative retail investors are embracing India and paring exposure to China.

Investors are paying close attention to the contrasting trajectories of two of Asia’s greatest powers. India, the world’s fastest-growing major economy, has vastly expanded infrastructure under Prime Minister Narendra Modi in his bid to lure global capital and supply lines away from Beijing. China, on the other hand, is grappling with chronic economic woes and a widening rift with the Western-led order.

“People are interested in India for several reasons — one is simply it’s not China," said Vikas Pershad, Asian equities portfolio manager at M&G Investments in Singapore. “There’s a genuine long-term growth story here."

While the bullish sentiment about India isn’t new, investors are more likely now to see a market that resembles the China of times past: a vast, dynamic economy that’s opening up to global money in novel ways. Nobody expects a smooth ride. But most are making the crossover anyway, calculating that the risks of betting against India are greater.

History shows that India’s economic growth and the value of its stock market are closely linked. If the nation continues to expand at 7%, the market size can be expected to grow on average by at least that rate. Over the past two decades, gross domestic product and market capitalization rose in tandem from $500 billion to $3.75 trillion.

Aniket Shah, global head of environment, social and governance practice at Jefferies Group LLC., said a recent investor call about India was one of the firm’s best-attended.

“People are really trying to figure out what’s going on in India," he said.

Follow the Money​

Capital flows reflect the enthusiasm. In the US exchange-traded fund market, the main fund buying Indian stocks received record inflows in the final quarter of 2023, while the four largest China funds combined saw outflows of almost $800 million. Active bond funds have put 50 cents to work in India for every dollar they pulled from China since 2022, according to EPFR data.

In mid-January, India briefly overtook Hong Kong to become the world’s fourth-largest equity market. To some investors, the South Asian nation will only rise higher. Morgan Stanley predicts India’s stock market will become the third-largest by 2030. Its weight in the MSCI Inc.’s benchmark for developing-market equities is at an all-time high of 18%, even as China’s share has shrunk to its lowest on record at 24.8%.

“In terms of index weights, China would be lower and India bigger," said Mark Matthews, the Singapore-based head of Asia research at Bank Julius Baer, which launched its first-ever India fund last year. “That’s the direction."

New Investors​

Japan’s retail investors, who have traditionally favored the US, are also warming up to the country. Five of their India-focused mutual funds now feature among the top 20 by inflows. Assets at the largest — Nomura Indian Stock Fund — are at a four-year high.

Hedge funds including Marshall Wace point to India’s strong growth and relative political stability as reasons to remain optimistic about consistent pockets of growth, even if the broader market still has expensive valuations.

Karma Capital, which manages money in India for institutions like Norges Bank, says US investors are especially eager to enter and learn more about the market. Rajnish Girdhar, the fund’s chief executive, recalled one client responding with unusual speed to several India queries.

“We would send something Friday and before we returned Monday morning, she’d have responded, which means she was working on the weekend," he said.

Old Rivalry​

India has capitalized on changing power dynamics with China, a decades-long rival.

If China is viewed as a threat to the Western global order, India is regarded as a potential counterweight — a country increasingly equipped to assert itself as a viable manufacturing alternative to Beijing. Nations like the US see the need to have strong business ties with India, even though they’ve criticized the country’s tax policies. India now accounts for more than 13% of the iPhone’s global output and is pouring trillions of rupees into upgrading infrastructure.

These efforts are part of Modi’s plan to sell India as the world’s new growth engine. The government will boost infrastructure spending by 11% to 11.1 trillion rupees ($134 billion) in the coming fiscal year, Finance Minister Nirmala Sitharaman said last week in her interim budget speech.

“The investment cycle is picking up with public capital expenditure and infrastructure initiatives," said Jitania Kandhari, deputy chief investment officer for solutions and multi-asset group at Morgan Stanley Investment Management.

India is also building a vast ecosystem of technologies aimed at pulling many more people into the digital marketplace. Alphabet Inc.’s Google Pay plans to work with India’s mobile-based payments system — which generates billions of trades every month — to expand services beyond the country.

“For the first time, you have hundreds of millions of Indians with a bank account and access to credit," said Ashish Chugh, a money manager at Loomis Sayles & Co. “This is bound to attract global companies to India — and with them global investors, too."

Priced for Perfection​

Some hurdles do persist. The euphoria has made Indian equities among the most expensive in the world. The popular S&P BSE Sensex Index has almost tripled from its March 2020 low, while earnings have only about doubled. The gauge trades at more than 20 times future earnings, 27% more expensive than the average for the 2010 to 2020 period.

Stretched valuations and Beijing’s recent attempts to support its markets have prompted some investors to contemplate a change in strategy. Global funds took out more than $3.1 billion from local shares in January, the largest monthly total in a year, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.\

“An enormous success is priced into India’s markets," said Mark Williams, a fund manager at Somerset Capital Management. “But the question is how much of that is not priced in. There’s certainly a risk that Indian markets can go sideways for some years."

Investors are bracing for a correction after eight straight years of annual gains in local shares. Modi is expected to win a third term in office during this year’s national elections, especially after his party’s sweep of recent state polls signaled existing policy will continue. But a weakened ruling party could jolt markets in the short run.

“The way the state election results have panned out it looks like we should have continuity in the government. But you never say never," said Peeyush Mittal, portfolio manager at Matthews International Capital Management LLC.

Turning India’s potential into an economic reality that benefits all citizens is a tough ask, especially in a multilingual democracy with vast cultural differences between states.

“India still has a long way to go," said Charles Robertson, head of macro strategy at FIM Partners Ltd. “Potential peak growth is still under what China did achieve."

The Big Picture​

Even with those risks, India fans say they’re investing for the long term. With a still-low per capita income, the country is setting the stage for multi-year expansion and new market opportunities, they say.

“There is always the possibility of scandals, social polarization and political noise," said Aninda Mitra, head of Asia macro and investment strategy at BNY Mellon Investment Management. “Despite all this, if you believe the economy is poised to grow to about $8 trillion-plus by this time in the next decade, the volatility is worth it."

India’s once-insular financial markets will continue to open up. With foreign ownership just above 2%, the nation’s $1.2 trillion sovereign-bond market is being added to JPMorgan Chase & Co’s global debt index from June. The move may lure as much as $100 billion of inflows in the coming years, according to HSBC Asset Management.

India is also stepping up efforts to globalize the rupee, albeit at a more modest scale than China’s yuan expansion. Still, the potential is there when combined with the government’s development of GIFT City — a free market pilot project in western India that aspires to become a global financial hub unhampered by rules and taxes. It’s a prospect with echoes of Shenzhen’s opening up in 1980 as a special economic zone.

Confidence in India stems from the long-term impact of such initiatives, not necessarily from the near-term outlook on the nation’s stocks and bonds, according to Gaurav Narain, a money manager who advises India Capital Growth Fund.

“There is no longer a need for a ‘sell the India story’ pitch from us," he said. “It’s a ‘buy into India’ from people who are aware of the positive changes."
Based on my understanding of Americans. They never felt that India was worth anything they could do.
 
Based on my understanding of Americans. They never felt that India was worth anything they could do.
For Americans it's a case of white cat or black cat as long as it catches mice.
 
For Americans it's a case of white cat or black cat as long as it catches mice.
Based on my understanding of Americans. They don't have much expectation that Indians can become that cat.
 
lOl, it's still too early to compare with a country whose economy is 5 times of yours. Pick someone your own size first.
5 times is quite debatable due to fudging of data.
Comparison with PPP would be realistic.
Secondly, India is the only country next to China which offers large scale growth for foreign investments.
 
For Americans it's a case of white cat or black cat as long as it catches mice.

Nothing to do with democracy or cats.

US believes China is a threat to US domination but India is not. The moment the US believes that India is a credible threat to US domination, the global media narrative will shift, the US government strong arming will shift, and so will the money.
 
5 times is quite debatable due to fudging of data.
Comparison with PPP would be realistic.
Secondly, India is the only country next to China which offers large scale growth for foreign investments.
I was responding to some Indian claiming India is taking over "declining" China, you guys should pick someone your own size before having that dream, China is still the world biggest trading nation, industrial nation, manufacturing name, agriculture nation, trade surplus nation, foreign reserve nation, shipping nation, mining nation...
 

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