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Do you think PTI has a future without Imran Khan?

  • Yes

    Votes: 22 19.6%
  • No

    Votes: 80 71.4%
  • Only if senior leadership is released

    Votes: 10 8.9%

  • Total voters
    112
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S.144 is imposed in Punjab and Sindh sir. You know what S.144 is right? 😊

Yes. I t has been around since the creation of the original Pakistan, and also in the remade version. It has not really been effective once there was truly a groundswell of public outrage, Sec 144 or no Sec 144.
 
Yes. I t has been around since the creation of the original Pakistan, and also in the remade version. It has not really been effective once there was truly a groundswell of public outrage, Sec 144 or no Sec 144.
Hahah you are plain trolling right now. Or did you forget what happened last time. One would think a man of your age and intellectual would try harder.
 
That, sire, is quite an extraordinary piece of twisted logic.....

Not really. No military has ever been able to hold on to power once there is truly widespread public outrage and protests at their blatantly illegal actions. History is full of such examples, right up into this century, and also many times in Pakistan's past.
 
Hahah you are plain trolling right now. Or did you forget what happened last time. One would think a man of your age and intellectual would try harder.

I have no need to try for anything. The results speak for themselves, as always.
 
Not really. No military has ever been able to hold on to power once there is truly widespread public outrage and protests at their blatantly illegal actions. History is full of such examples, right up into this century, and also many times in Pakistan's past.

Now, sire, that’s an entirely different argument.... We were discussing your deduction about IK’s supposed lack of popularity and your conclusion that all such claims are false simply because the people didn’t storm the gates of Adiala Jail to free him at gunpoint.

As for unpopular military regimes eventually collapsing.... that is a matter of time, and the process is already in motion.... We’ve seen the Army forced to retreat from the canals project after Sindhis blocked the roads, and to concede when Kashmiris took to the streets (They aren't invincible after all). A similar storm is brewing in KP now. In due course, sir, this too shall be resolved, InshaAllah...... Our only real concern is whether the country will still hold within its present borders when that moment arrives.
 
Expatriate people have no idea, Sooner or later PTI will just be the new face of PMNL/ PPP. And PTI current policies is all about gaslighting to the extreme shouting from the sidelines. PTI leadership, this lazy entitled attitude is going to bite them on the arse so hard if they get elected. They’ll soon find out governing is not easy. I do supported imran Khan it soon came obvious during his tenure the man had no idea to deal with Afghanistan psychopaths!

My friend, even in this very pro Imran Khan forum there is a poll which says that PTI has no future once Imran is gone. He has groomed a personality cult--not a political party. Those few worthy names still around him are there because they can't be accommodated by other parties, which are saturated themselves.
There was so much potential, so much hope with his rise but he was and remains an extremely self centered arrogant person. Give him the power, his popularity will rapidly dwindle. There is always the incumbency fatigue in most countries of the world. People want results quickly and that is impossible in today's Pakistan with its dire situation on various fronts.
I support the current setup because I am sick and tired of the fake democrats since Zia's death in 1988, playing the musical chair of power and thus the focus and continuity of policies is not there for nearly 4 decades. This dance has to stop for Pakistan to progress. Look at Bangladesh: Call Hasina whatever you want but the focus and continuity of policies under the PM Hasina for almost 15 years propelled Bangladesh to much better situation.
 
I was expecting KPK to have progressed faster than any other province under the leadership of PTI.

Like most leaders in Pakistan, they only look good on paper and in theory.

Bilawal and PPP are just as bad. Sindh is also mismanaged.

We need builders and patriots, people with business acumen and can do attitude.
 
We were discussing your deduction about IK’s supposed lack of popularity

No Sir. My deduction is that IK is not popular enough to produce tangibly observable results of the people's outrage that is claimed. He may very well have support of a particular demographic, sure, but is he popular enough to motivate the numbers needed to bring about a change?
 
As for unpopular military regimes eventually collapsing.... that is a matter of time, and the process is already in motion..

Eventually, yes. How much time? That is a question events will need to show.

In due course, sir, this too shall be resolved, InshaAllah...... Our only real concern is whether the country will still hold within its present borders when that moment arrives.

I would fully expect Pakistan to survive all odds. InshaAllah indeed. Due course takes time, that is all.
 
I was expecting KPK to have progressed faster than any other province under the leadership of PTI.
Like most leaders in Pakistan, they only look good on paper and in theory.
Bilawal and PPP are just as bad. Sindh is also mismanaged.
We need builders and patriots, people with business acumen and can do attitude.

KPK is Imran's personal fiefdom. That province has two main purposes: To play the Ethnic Card and to use its resources to emancipate Imran. The focus there is not on governance especially in last 3-4 years. Sad situation for such a critical region of Pakistan.
As for Sindh, you are right: The Bhuttos are the curse!
 
IMO the reason is that our own institutions keep stepping outside their defined roles. GHQ has no business interfering in the judiciary or the parliament yet they do it time and again.
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1. The Army (the empire) is unnecessarily overstepping its reach. I mean, interfering in politics is one thing, but it is getting the blame for everyone's wrongdoing (PMLN, Police, PPP, IK, etc)
2. Currency debasing (maybe equal to uncontrolled printing PKR with low GDP to keep paying salaries, etc in our case)
3. Bankruptcy (IMF loans or other lenders at high interest) with low GDP (<1-2% for the last 2 years). All promises are broken like austerity measures, or low govt and defence spending etc.
4. Loss of productivity. All foreign and innovative companies are leaving.
5. Social decay. The crime rate is high. Police/FIA/MI/ISI are allegedly harassing businessmen for money. The brain drain is real, and all left behind are menial workers, bureaucracy, priests, and soldiers.
The Army is making huge promises to Trump, Pakistanis (SIFC), etc. It really lacks the capacity and resources for that, so it is making those huge promises/assurances. To fulfil, it uses violence and breaks laws, which pave the way for points 4 and 5.
 
You have obviously not followed how Imran was propped into power, how he was sustained in power, how the Establishment forced smaller parties like MQM to support Imran in the National Assembly, how MNAs were coerced into passing legislation under the PM Imran, how the Opposition and the media were targeted for Imran by the Establishment, how Imran was working with a couple of top Generals to cement power for the next ten years, how discredited Imran had become by the time the No Confidence Motion came in April 2022 to the point that he didn't even use his Const. right to call Early Elections. Imran was so vindictive, so cheap, so low that when he went to address the Pakistani American community in America, he boasted about cutting off air conditioning to top Pakistani opposition leader who were in prison then. Under his rule, the Opposition was targeted using the Establishment and the govt machinery and there were incidents like planting drugs in Rana Sanaullah's car and putting him in prison for that--yeah, sure, Imran didn't do that, it was the 'Establishment' who did. Sure! Every bad thing under PM Imran was done by the Establishment. And you don't know how not only the Americans but also the Saudis and the Chinese became not fond of PM Imran; the guy was becoming a disaster in foreign policy affairs too--a gift to India!!

And I didn't even bring up the alleged charges of corruption against him--I don't pay much attention to those because I believe they are the norms in 3rd world countries, sad as it is to say.

A 'National Hero' has nothing to do with this when a man is too arrogant, too divisive, too stupid to govern a country like Pakistan with its dire vulnerabilities! Would you continue to support your A Grade son if he becomes deranged to the point of burning down your house?! The Indians would do the same if Sachin or Kapil went into politics and did what Imran did; he is in prison not for charity work.

Interesting perspective. This is a bit of "spit balling" but if Pakistan were to have a free and fair election, who will emerge as the top leader/party? The sword definitely cuts both ways, so if he was overreaching, misusing the government machinery, now its been done to him. That the thing about politics - sooner or later, the shoe is on the other foot and if you haven't done "justice" to the set-up, you end up in jail more or less. In India, there is no military involvement but politicians are vindictive - so its either quid pro quo relationships or just all out war.
 
If hypocrisy, falsehood, and evil had a name, it would be Imran Khan Khtakhail. The truth comes out. The truth behind 'operation regime change', 'ham koei Ghulam hein', and all anti-America bullshit that the liar IK spread to deceive Pakistani and to make them fool. It is disgraceful attempt to sacrifice national interest for personal interest and to gain some political mileage. This fake 'sadiq and ameen' liar is a selfish evil to the core.

The reality is:
"He told us, when he was still the prime minister, I got this political situation here domestically, I'm gonna start blaming you for everything"

"... and then he got a message out to the US government help me get out of this and we went to Jemima..."


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IK licked Army's boots for 20 years. His current "fight" is not because "he has gone against the Army", it is because the "Army has gone against him". Same goes for most of his followers. He just needs army to be at his side and all things will be halal once more, the 'Same Page' be celebrated once again. That's a guarantee ...

Anyone who doubts it are as gullible as they were when they had to cheer for Pervaiz Elahi becoming PTI party president after calling him Punjab's biggest Dakoo for 25 years. Whatever is being said now, about the Army, pales in comparison to what IK has said about most of the people has later allied with, to bring democracy down, in the last 12 years.
 
No Sir. My deduction is that IK is not popular enough to produce tangibly observable results of the people's outrage that is claimed. He may very well have support of a particular demographic, sure, but is he popular enough to motivate the numbers needed to bring about a change?

Well, If IK’s party emerging as the most popular force, securing the highest number of seats and the largest share of the popular vote in an election where the entire state machinery was deployed against him, doesn’t qualify as a "tangibly observable result " of his popularity in someone's view, then nothing ever will...

And your attempt to downplay IK’s nationwide popularity which transcends ethnic, religious, sectarian, provincial, social, gender, and generational divides as mere ā€œpopularity among a particular demographicā€ is, at best, biased and, at worst, plainly disingenuous...


And now coming to the "not enough outrage" part that you have just added, as previously noted, sire, electoral popularity does not necessarily translate into militant support or revolutionary zeal.... Hence, that line of argument too remains inherently weak.
 
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